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AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.05 14:54:00 - [31] Originally by: Niara Takeva you play one of the best looking, complex and most innovative MMOs on the market, and you are complaining about such sh**? Oh man, you realy have nothing to do... Okay, you can play on a notepad that feeds you numbers and letters, and I'll play my game with... graphics. My bad.
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.05 15:04:00 - [32] I have a top notch audio system on my computer also and I have to play with the ****ing sound turned off because it lags so badly when the sound is turned on. I can't tell you how annoying that is... They really need to do something about that. Anyway I saw a dev mention not wanting to add too many extra effects into the game because they would cause more lag. No Hello-Kitty Tempests for us I guess .
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.05 15:06:00 - [33] Originally by: Amandin Adouin I have a top notch audio system on my computer also and I have to play with the ****ing sound turned off because it lags so badly when the sound is turned on. I can't tell you how annoying that is... They really need to do something about that. Anyway I saw a dev mention not wanting to add too many extra effects into the game because they would cause more lag. No Hello-Kitty Tempests for us I guess . If you had the option to individually allow skins to render, you could eliminate all the lag... It just has to be coded properly. Though that's probably tough for CCP
Aleus Stygian	Posted - 2008.08.05 15:11:00 - [34] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Amandin Adouin I have a top notch audio system on my computer also and I have to play with the ****ing sound turned off because it lags so badly when the sound is turned on. I can't tell you how annoying that is... They really need to do something about that. Anyway I saw a dev mention not wanting to add too many extra effects into the game because they would cause more lag. No Hello-Kitty Tempests for us I guess . If you had the option to individually allow skins to render, you could eliminate all the lag... It just has to be coded properly. Though that's probably tough for CCP Here are the truthisms. And you know what? It's that impressive/good/mainstream a change that it should be paid attention to and implemented.
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.05 15:19:00 - [35] A friend of mine works with motion prediction for Ontu (youtube) and ATI - getting framerates down using advanced motion prediction. I hope CCP is hip to this. Nah, they have to be.
AnKahn Caldari Rebirth. Ashes to Agony	Posted - 2008.08.05 18:40:00 - [36] Using terrain strategicly during battles would be a quantum leap forward in EvE combat. Yes, not being able to shoot thru roids and structures. Yes, being able to enter a planet's stratosphere to escape larger ships! Imagine the fire trails. Might even need a joystick to fly the ship then..gasp. Nope, we are fish in a fish tank. No terrain for us. Yet we might be able to walk in station. woohoo!
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.08.05 19:59:00 - [37] Originally by: AnKahn Using terrain strategicly during battles would be a quantum leap forward in EvE combat. Yes, not being able to shoot thru roids and structures. Yes, being able to enter a planet's stratosphere to escape larger ships! Imagine the fire trails. Might even need a joystick to fly the ship then..gasp. Nope, we are fish in a fish tank. No terrain for us. Yet we might be able to walk in station. woohoo! If the station system offered more gameplay options it'd be really awesome. As it stands it will increase immersion (always good) but could handily decrease the ease of ship refitting/market purchase and whatnot. I think it'd be awesome to be able to actually board stations/ships and attempt to overtake the crew to "hijack" things. Properly done this would increase immersion AND give rise to new gameplay strategies. If you can hijack a ship and use it to access an enemy POS and sabatoge the shields/guns/stront stores etc then you open whole new strategies for warfare.
GoldFox88 Caldari Signal Omega	Posted - 2008.08.06 00:14:00 - [38] or if you REALLY have balls, right click in space and click "load all skins".... CAN YOU IMAGINE THE JITA LAG THEN!? ________________________ things that bother never you never bother me and I feel happy and fine... HA HA!
Daanika	Posted - 2008.08.06 00:20:00 - [39] Just hit F1-F? timed such that the missiles travel in a steady stream toward your target... psychologically worth an extra 25 DPS. Although if your foe is set up for no-lag fleet and has missile effects turned off, it's just a pretty light show for you.
Boz Well Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.06 00:30:00 - [40] Originally by: Amandin Adouin I have a top notch audio system on my computer also and I have to play with the ****ing sound turned off because it lags so badly when the sound is turned on. I can't tell you how annoying that is... They really need to do something about that. Anyway I saw a dev mention not wanting to add too many extra effects into the game because they would cause more lag. No Hello-Kitty Tempests for us I guess . Hm, or a hot pink Raven with a giant Hello Kitty spoiler on the back.
GoldFox88 Caldari Signal Omega	Posted - 2008.08.06 00:39:00 - [41] well, I dunno why the devs would not want to do it, I mean, as we mentioned, players can load them individually, or all at once (as I suggested) so it's OPTIONAL TO THE PLAYER as to whether they would like to load the textures... I know I would. ________________________ things that bother never you never bother me and I feel happy and fine... HA HA!
korrey Amarr	Posted - 2008.08.06 00:44:00 - [42] Screw all of these suggestions. Corp logo would be good enough for me (only if I could place it wherever I wanted...). Sounds need to be adjusted. Missile trails? Don't bother me as much. ----------- Amarr- If you like to handicap yourself before the fight begins, then we may accomodate your needs surprisingly well.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.06 00:56:00 - [43] Originally by: korrey Screw all of these suggestions. Corp logo would be good enough for me (only if I could place it wherever I wanted...). Sounds need to be adjusted. Missile trails? Don't bother me as much. So you come into my thread and say "screw it all", but I want this thing you mentioned, and this other thing you mentioned, and this version of this thing you mentioned, but don't bother fixing this thing I don't use? GTFO.
Tombozo Caldari State Protectorate Academy	Posted - 2008.08.06 01:43:00 - [44] I predict none of your proposed changes making it ingame anytime soon. Why? Let's compare guns and missiles: When you fire a gun in Eve, two events occur: The gun's damage dealt is calculated, and cosmetic effects are triggered. These effects are just that - cosmetic. They have no grounding in the physics engine. The position of a turret on a ship has no effect on its performance. The direction that a turret appears to be pointing and the animation of a projectile streaking towards a target both have no impact on the effect of the shot. The ammunition that you fire is not represented by the physics engine at any point in time - it only exists as charges in your weapon or cargohold. Missiles on the other hand are tied intricately into Destiny, Eve's physics engine. When you fire a missile it not only ceases to exist in your launcher's ammo supply, but it spawns in space. Like any object that is spawned, a missile needs an origin. The initial location of a spawned missile is the same location as the ship that launched it. To be spawned at the location of a ship's missile launchers, Destiny would need to know where the missile launchers are. This is currently way beyond Destiny's capabilities, as all ships in Eve are represented physically as spheres. All facing that you see on your client is purely cosmetic. To distinguish the location of a launcher would require Destiny to track a new facing vector for every missile-equipped ship in the game. The facing vector by itself would be a lot of extra data to keep track of, but we're only yet scratching the surface of what would have to be added. Once a facing was established for a ship, the location of its missile launchers would have to be established. Let's look at what this would mean for a Drake on the battlefield: A Drake has seven launchers. Each launcher presumably has a unique location. This means that for every server tick Destiny has to figure out a facing vector for this Drake and calculate the coordinates of seven launchers. In review - to be able to spawn missiles at the launchers that you see, Eve's physics engine would need to perform an extra calculation for each ship and each missile hardpoint present, once every second. CCP's programmers have better things to do than to rewrite the physics engine for the immersion of (what I suspect to be) a minority of players who actually play so zoomed in that they can see their ships' missiles being launched, and care where they come from. I would appreciate the change, but it's not going to happen. Also, CCP has invested a huge amount of resources into their skins. They put approximately 50 man-years of labor into the Trinity artwork, and most of this would be for nothing if they opened up the game to local skins. Eve is CCP's world, not yours. Yes, you can quit the game if you don't like it, but even that probably won't influence them much. I imagine they'd get a LOT fewer new accounts if prospective players saw videos of fleets of Hello-Kitty Tempests. Double also, a very large portion of the playerbase (myself discluded) play Eve with sound disabled for performance reasons. If you want CCP to pay someone to make new sound effects, you're going to need to give them better requests than to 'fix' them. I suspect that ANY gun noise, played over and over for hours on end, will not be 'menacing'. I personally think that the missiles sound like missiles firing, and that warping sounds fine (as long as you only have one client going).
Azeroth Uluntil Caldari Trident Enterprises Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.08.06 01:46:00 - [45] http://s142.photobucket.com/albums/r97/DracoDS/?action=view¤t=KestrelHelloKitty.jpg From some unknown hero of Eve Online and Hello Kitty Online.
Opertone Caldari SIEGE. The Border Patrol	Posted - 2008.08.06 01:52:00 - [46] Edited by: Opertone on 06/08/2008 01:53:12 i want my kestrel say 'yes sir' every time i click in space to transposition myself... i also want my on board computer to talk a little... and maybe to be more intelligent maybe i ask too much, but all video games have a set of sounds for every event, in eve it's all the same
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.06 02:01:00 - [47] Originally by: Tombozo ... Don't spoon feed me "It's their game" BS. I, and a lot of other players, like game immersion. The current graphics/sounds/skins/whatever don't immerse me in the game at all. I feel more like a puppeteer with a paper doll than a real space commander. As for custom skins turning off potential players - get real. If they don't like custom skins, they don't have to play with them. 50 years of skinning my ass - I was (still am) part of a community that skinned high-res models (higher res than eve ships) - more than 30 a year, with a team of 5-6 unpaid artists.
Aleus Stygian	Posted - 2008.08.06 02:03:00 - [48] I can definitely see the point of the first part. But here... Originally by: Tombozo Also, CCP has invested a huge amount of resources into their skins. They put approximately 50 man-years of labor into the Trinity artwork, and most of this would be for nothing if they opened up the game to local skins. Eve is CCP's world, not yours. Yes, you can quit the game if you don't like it, but even that probably won't influence them much. I imagine they'd get a LOT fewer new accounts if prospective players saw videos of fleets of Hello-Kitty Tempests. Well, both of those things are really not too relevant, are they? Of course you should keep base ship characteristic features, lines and contours and composition, not to mention that even for RP reasons certain details or materials should look in a particular manner. But to completely limit the skins, not even pondering adding some options for shading and tinting, logo spaces or minor customizable parts or additions, or variations on the current plates, antennae, rigs, etcetera...? I appreciate the designer staff's hard work and diligence. They really outdid themselves with things like the Merlin, the Arbitrator, the Rifter and all their variants, the Abaddon... But sometimes, you've just got to give the players some variety at least. Ever played City of Villains? I found that game relatively crappy gameplay-wise, but still immensely fun due to the level of customization in appearances that can be achieved. And I think that even though it's just a cosmetic change, and even though they are up to other projects, this diversifying and individualizing, this allowing of distinction to players and alliances both, is something that should take precedence over ambulation and be implemented, and would bring even more glorious style and precious players to the game. Also, I really, really want to see a spike- and scar-plated black and rusty red Pilgrim, like some giant, hideous, fire- and radiation-scorched insect, looming off the edge of a Feythabolis nebula, waiting for closing prey...
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.06 03:00:00 - [49] Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 06/08/2008 03:00:46 Originally by: Boz Well Hm, or a hot pink Raven with a giant Hello Kitty spoiler on the back. I'd be happy just with a pink Absolution ;) ... with a Cinnamaroll bumper sticker. And my darn car broke down tonight when I went out to get food :(
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.06 03:12:00 - [50] Originally by: Amandin Adouin Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 06/08/2008 03:00:46 Originally by: Boz Well Hm, or a hot pink Raven with a giant Hello Kitty spoiler on the back. I'd be happy just with a pink Absolution ;) ... with a Cinnamaroll bumper sticker. And my darn car broke down tonight when I went out to get food :( Wait, what does that have to do with custom skins? What kind of food?
Boz Well Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.06 03:15:00 - [51] Originally by: Amandin Adouin Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 06/08/2008 03:00:46 Originally by: Boz Well Hm, or a hot pink Raven with a giant Hello Kitty spoiler on the back. I'd be happy just with a pink Absolution ;) ... with a Cinnamaroll bumper sticker. And my darn car broke down tonight when I went out to get food :( A "magenta" absolution? Haha. Car trouble, that's always a *****. I can relate though. Picked my car up from a Mineke a few days ago, made it about an hour down the road (all the way from north side of boston to the west side of boston, lol) before the same problem struck again and I ended up at another Mineke. Turned my 2 day trip into a 3 day one, haha.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.08.06 03:15:00 - [52] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Amandin Adouin Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 06/08/2008 03:00:46 Originally by: Boz Well Hm, or a hot pink Raven with a giant Hello Kitty spoiler on the back. I'd be happy just with a pink Absolution ;) ... with a Cinnamaroll bumper sticker. And my darn car broke down tonight when I went out to get food :( Wait, what does that have to do with custom skins? What kind of food? It has EVERYTHING to do with custom skins. I personally had spagetti and several day old Sushi. I may in fact die from the Sushi - I have no idea how long it remains "good" to eat.
Boz Well Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.06 03:18:00 - [53] Edited by: Boz Well on 06/08/2008 03:18:51 I tend to prefer it when the fish died in the kitchen, not a few days ago. I've never gotten sick from sushi, but I tend to avoid anything slightly sketchy haha. Edit: Now to see how far we can derail astro's thread...
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.06 03:20:00 - [54] Originally by: Boz Well A "magenta" absolution? Haha. Car trouble, that's always a *****. I can relate though. Picked my car up from a Mineke a few days ago, made it about an hour down the road (all the way from north side of boston to the west side of boston, lol) before the same problem struck again and I ended up at another Mineke. Turned my 2 day trip into a 3 day one, haha. Ouch that sucks. My battery died. Then I had to get a jump, etc etc. I finally got home awhile ago. Now I still have a ton of stuff to do like walk the dog, take a shower, etc. btw check the thread. ;) Oh and tacos Astro.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.08.06 03:24:00 - [55] Originally by: Amandin Adouin Originally by: Boz Well A "magenta" absolution? Haha. Car trouble, that's always a *****. I can relate though. Picked my car up from a Mineke a few days ago, made it about an hour down the road (all the way from north side of boston to the west side of boston, lol) before the same problem struck again and I ended up at another Mineke. Turned my 2 day trip into a 3 day one, haha. Ouch that sucks. My battery died. Then I had to get a jump, etc etc. I finally got home awhile ago. Now I still have a ton of stuff to do like walk the dog, take a shower, etc. btw check the thread. ;) Oh and tacos Astro. My car battery died on an impromptu road trip to Virginia (I was stationed in Fort Gordon at the time). Rather than do the smart thing - you know replace the battery I just kept looking for hills to park on and performed rolling starts. Being one of the only people with a car meant I could con people into pushing my car until it started if they wanted to go anywhere. I got by for 3 or 4 months doing that.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.06 03:30:00 - [56] Tacos? Where do you live? If it was taco bell/cabana, shame on you. We get real mexican food here in texas - hard to have anything else now.
Boz Well Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.06 03:34:00 - [57] That's absolutely hilarious Derek And Ama, you need to stop or I'm going to get banned lol.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.06 03:47:00 - [58] Edited by: AstroPhobic on 06/08/2008 03:47:25 Originally by: Boz Well Edited by: Boz Well on 06/08/2008 03:45:43 That's absolutely hilarious Derek And Ama, you're a bad influence, lol, gonna get me banned. Edit: The reply by masternerdguy is pretty hilarious, or maybe my joke was just so bad he and everyone else didn't get it, haha. For what, thread de-railment? CCP doesn't even read ships and modules. Did you miss page 35 of the tempest/large guns thread? edit: nvm, referenced that drone-love thread
Boz Well Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.06 03:49:00 - [59] Edited by: Boz Well on 06/08/2008 03:49:50 If it was thread derailment, I'd be long gone. Edit: Funniest part about drone love thread is that everyone in it just ignores us, lol, except the occasional people who correct us on things like "drones don't age" and what not.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.08.06 03:54:00 - [60] Originally by: AstroPhobic Tacos? Where do you live? If it was taco bell/cabana, shame on you. We get real mexican food here in texas - hard to have anything else now. What part of Texas Astro? I'm in Amarillo as I type this.

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