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Rebethecca
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Posted - 2008.08.05 02:03:00 -
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I apologize for bypassing the word filter, but I believe that by using the word in a mature context I am not violating CCP's forums rules, and that it was necessary for the word to be apparent in order for the player community to make an informed decision concerning this matter.
I do not approve of Jade Constantine's misogynistic usage of the term 'ra pe' in recently released chat logs. The quote:
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Jade Constantine > put em in a straight up empire war and they get r aped
Hate speech is unacceptable in any context, and this sample of casual speech reveals more about Jade's character than any of his public communication ever could.
Joking around with the word 'rap e' is immature, celebrates, and helps perpetuate the culture of ra pe that western society wallows in.
Given this revelation, I must withdraw my previously strong support for Jade as a CSM council member. I advise other mature, concerned, eve players to do the same.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.05 02:20:00 -
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Are you just sore I didn't buy your spy intel?
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Channel ID: 2134464264
Channel Name: Private Chat (Rebethecca)
Listener: Jade Constantine
Session started: 2008.08.05 01:30:29
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[ 2008.08.05 01:30:35 ] Rebethecca > Hi, have a minute?
[ 2008.08.05 01:31:07 ] Jade Constantine > hey there whats up ?
[ 2008.08.05 01:31:28 ] Rebethecca > Do you want a spy in Goonfleet? Like, a really well-placed spy?
[ 2008.08.05 01:31:42 ] Jade Constantine > we don't really care to be honest
[ 2008.08.05 01:31:58 ] Jade Constantine > we only wardecced them for a bit of idle fight practise for our new players from time to time
[ 2008.08.05 01:32:10 ] Jade Constantine > knowing where they are with spy intel would spoil the fun
[ 2008.08.05 01:32:36 ] Rebethecca > I meant more about Darius and Bane, what they were discussing and so forth.
[ 2008.08.05 01:33:29 ] Jade Constantine > not really that interested tbh
[ 2008.08.05 01:33:35 ] Rebethecca > But if you aren't interested, you aren't interested. Okay.
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Joahan
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Posted - 2008.08.05 02:36:00 -
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Edited by: Joahan on 05/08/2008 02:36:04
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Are you just sore I didn't buy your spy intel?
lol
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
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Posted - 2008.08.05 03:08:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Friendly on 05/08/2008 03:08:41
poasting in a Sunday thread (even if it Monday)
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Helen Baque
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.05 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Rebethecca
Joking around with the word 'rap e' is immature, celebrates, and helps perpetuate the culture of ra pe that western society wallows in.
The word you're so bothered by is a natural part of human character. Humans are, by nature, selfish animals, and given a chance to escape consequences, they will ****, murder, lie, steal, cheat and sell their grandmothers and children into slavery. They'll do all this for nothing more than a brief moment of happiness, for the chance to be the monkey with the jawbone and the puddle of water, or for a quick buck.
Of course, we have a system designed to superficially overcome our profoundly disgusting and horrid natures. It's called civilization. Civilization is a set of arbitrary and unnatural rules that overcome our monkey nature by training in us a sense of the existence of others and the idea that we might become something greater by thinking of others. The result is an almost immeasurably small advance in cooperation and unselfish behaviour.
One of those unnatural rules is that you don't tell other people what they can and can't say. Unrestricted verbal discourse at all levels is required, as it is the replacement for the jawbone. Threatening Jade by asking for her removal is censorship, pure and simple. It is also worse than pointless: the behaviour is natural, and removing the word changes nothing about the intrinsic human urge; it does, however, compromise the rules of civil behaviour that might one day control that urge.
The fact that you have made frivolous accusations and violated these civilized standards because you couldn't make a sale goes beyond laughable right into absurd, and puts you right back in paragraph one.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.05 04:16:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 05/08/2008 04:16:41
Wow. Just wow.
From Dictionary.com, some alternative definitions for ****:
Quote:
4.an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the **** of the countryside.
5.Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force.
to plunder (a place); despoil.
8.to seize, take, or carry off by force.
Using the word "raep" does not constitute misogyny, ever.
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
Ledoux Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.05 04:21:00 -
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Hilarious, possibly Goon-related failure ITT. 5'd.
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Darius JOHNSON
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Posted - 2008.08.05 04:46:00 -
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How dare you spy on me this is an OUTRAGE
Originally by: Jade Constantine
You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.05 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
[ 2008.08.05 01:32:10 ] Jade Constantine > knowing where they are with spy intel would spoil the fun
Maybe I was wrong.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.05 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
How dare you spy on me this is an OUTRAGE
I confess! It was me, I, who laughed at your joke, at the table next to you, in that place, where you ate, some time ago. My humble apologies.
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Lia Gaeren
Caldari
Pole Dancing Vixens
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Posted - 2008.08.05 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
How dare you spy on me this is an OUTRAGE
By the way, you really should see a doctor about that...
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J'Mkarr Soban
Amarr
Proxenetae Invicti
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Posted - 2008.08.05 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Are you just sore I didn't buy your spy intel?
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Channel ID: 2134464264
Channel Name: Private Chat (Rebethecca)
Listener: Jade Constantine
Session started: 2008.08.05 01:30:29
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[ 2008.08.05 01:30:35 ] Rebethecca > Hi, have a minute?
[ 2008.08.05 01:31:07 ] Jade Constantine > hey there whats up ?
[ 2008.08.05 01:31:28 ] Rebethecca > Do you want a spy in Goonfleet? Like, a really well-placed spy?
[ 2008.08.05 01:31:42 ] Jade Constantine > we don't really care to be honest
[ 2008.08.05 01:31:58 ] Jade Constantine > we only wardecced them for a bit of idle fight practise for our new players from time to time
[ 2008.08.05 01:32:10 ] Jade Constantine > knowing where they are with spy intel would spoil the fun
[ 2008.08.05 01:32:36 ] Rebethecca > I meant more about Darius and Bane, what they were discussing and so forth.
[ 2008.08.05 01:33:29 ] Jade Constantine > not really that interested tbh
[ 2008.08.05 01:33:35 ] Rebethecca > But if you aren't interested, you aren't interested. Okay.
See this? This is childish. This is why people don't want you in the CSM, Jade. Not for something simple like the use of that word, but because you take childish measures against percieved slights completely out of proportion to what is being discussed, and the fact that you don't approach any discussion seriously.
A serious answer would have been 'I was using the term in a less-serious colloquial context, whereby I was intimating that they would not have a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding. Sorry you were offended.' See? Easy.
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.05 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban
<snip>WHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!</snip>
Whoa there, Soban. Slow yer roll. You're going to give yourself a coronary.
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Vladimir Tinakin
Caldari
Hadean Drive Yards
Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.08.05 16:09:00 -
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How exactly is calling out a mole with an axe to grind attempting payback (in a **** poor fashion at that) childish? |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.05 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban
A serious answer would have been 'I was using the term in a less-serious colloquial context, whereby I was intimating that they would not have a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding. Sorry you were offended.' See? Easy.
Sorry but I preferred to burn the idiot instead. I've played eve on "hardcore" mode for five years, not about to start giving alt numpties of the benefit of doubt now.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.05 17:02:00 -
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Posting in a thread in which the term "alt numpties" is used.
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2008.08.05 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban
A serious answer would have been 'I was using the term in a less-serious colloquial context, whereby I was intimating that they would not have a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding. Sorry you were offended.' See? Easy.
That would have been a stupid answer. OP got the reply he deserved.
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Darius JOHNSON
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Posted - 2008.08.05 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Sorry but I preferred to burn the idiot instead. I've played eve on "hardcore" mode for five years, not about to start giving alt numpties of the benefit of doubt now.
You are the first person I've ever seen refer to living in empire as "hardcore" mode.
Originally by: Jade Constantine
You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.06 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
You are the first person I've ever seen refer to living in empire as "hardcore" mode.
No reinforcement timers on my ships Darius and they aren't indestructible either. I also don't get to deny my enemies the use of capital ships through the deployment of 7m isk module with 16m hitpoints. 0.0 is currently the purview of people with everything their own way defensively. Don't act surprised about it when people suggest you are playing eve on "easy mode".
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Darius JOHNSON
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Posted - 2008.08.06 00:05:00 -
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Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 06/08/2008 00:05:42
Originally by: Jade Constantine
No reinforcement timers on my ships Darius and they aren't indestructible either. I also don't get to deny my enemies the use of capital ships through the deployment of 7m isk module with 16m hitpoints. 0.0 is currently the purview of people with everything their own way defensively. Don't act surprised about it when people suggest you are playing eve on "easy mode".
Can you point me to the reinforcement timers on my ships? No Concord in my space. It's a free for all. You don't always get to pick and choose whether to engage. Having "space police" there to make sure you're only attacking approved targets is hardly what I'd call hardcore.
:edit: If it was easy you'd probably be capable eh?
Originally by: Jade Constantine
You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
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RDevz
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.06 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
I also don't get to deny my enemies the use of capital ships through the deployment of 7m isk module with 16m hitpoints.
In case you hadn't noticed, there's a sum total of one combat capable cap ship in highsec, and that's the veldnaught.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.06 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
Having "space police" there to make sure you're only attacking approved targets is hardly what I'd call hardcore.
Who needs "space police" when you have POS shields to hide behind eh? Its a silly argument Darius and goes nowhere. What is apparent is that eve is getting more polarized between space ship pvp (empire/lowsec/npc sov) and pvpos (sov space) where the ability to produce a blob is the only requirement for success. Still we won't agree on this and its pointless arguing on the forums.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Darius JOHNSON
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Posted - 2008.08.06 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Who needs "space police" when you have POS shields to hide behind eh? Its a silly argument Darius and goes nowhere. What is apparent is that eve is getting more polarized between space ship pvp (empire/lowsec/npc sov) and pvpos (sov space) where the ability to produce a blob is the only requirement for success. Still we won't agree on this and its pointless arguing on the forums.
Calling it a silly argument doesn't make it so. My pos shields don't spawn spontaneously out of nowhere. You could blob someone just as easily in empire as you could in 0.0. I have no idea what you think your platform is here but it doesn't seem to be based in reality. Are we perhaps talking about a different game?
Originally by: Jade Constantine
You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
Ledoux Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.06 09:39:00 -
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On the subject of empire wars vs. nullsec wars: Fleets fights go much smoother when you don't have to worry about losing ships to Concord because they accidentally shot a vulture, sight-seer or other assorted bystanders. It's also not so fun when a hostile fleet docks up to avoid your superior (or equal) force and you have to either move on (hoping that they don't get more numbers and backstab you later) or camp them (and then you're playing Age of Smacktard, Call of Youtube or World of Forumcraft instead of playing Eve). At least lag is a factor in both instances, but it comes from different sources.
Damn, Darius, I know you're utterly consumed by 0.0 warfare, but you're not exactly playing Eve the only way it's meant to be played.
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Natalia Kovac
Minmatar
Phoenix Tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:47:00 -
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Ladies, ladies. Empire and 0.0 warfare are both as crap as each other!!
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Lia Gaeren
Caldari
Pole Dancing Vixens
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Posted - 2008.08.06 15:06:00 -
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Epic thread hijack :)
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.06 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Natalia Kovac
Ladies, ladies. Empire and 0.0 warfare are both as crap as each other!!
Indeed.
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Darius JOHNSON
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 06/08/2008 16:32:42
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
On the subject of empire wars vs. nullsec wars: Fleets fights go much smoother when you don't have to worry about losing ships to Concord because they accidentally shot a vulture, sight-seer or other assorted bystanders. It's also not so fun when a hostile fleet docks up to avoid your superior (or equal) force and you have to either move on (hoping that they don't get more numbers and backstab you later) or camp them (and then you're playing Age of Smacktard, Call of Youtube or World of Forumcraft instead of playing Eve). At least lag is a factor in both instances, but it comes from different sources.
Damn, Darius, I know you're utterly consumed by 0.0 warfare, but you're not exactly playing Eve the only way it's meant to be played.
I know, it's obviously meant to be played hiding in stations *****ing about getting suicide ganked or having your can flagged. A little thing I like to call Hardcore Mode.
Sarcasm aside we do have occasional empire wars they simply don't suit me. I try to shy away from calling any playstyle the "right" playstyle, but if someone else is going to lay down the bait I'll bite.
Originally by: Jade Constantine
You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:47:00 -
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Poasting in a darius vs. jade thread. Also, the OP is a moron.
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Taradis
Amarr
The Imperial Assassins
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.07 08:00:00 -
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 empire wars need to stay, open warfare is why I started playing eve in the first place and also too many damn carebears  running round and whining all the time on the forums o boohoo i got suicide ganked while afk hauling ur a dumbass if u do that... jeez leave the ****ing game alone for ****s sake all this nerfing this n nerfing that is catoring to the whiners and carebears. I like the nano nerf tho cuz nano gangs r annoying to no ends and all they do is run away neway when they get engaged. This game was awesome when I first start over a yr and a half ago now am not so sure cuz this in turning into WoW in space  
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Tzujeih
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.07 11:33:00 -
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Holy shit Jade is stupid.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tzujeih
Holy shit Jade is stupid.
You think I should have bought the "spy intel then?" 
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Darius JOHNSON
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Tzujeih
Holy shit Jade is stupid.
You think I should have bought the "spy intel then?"
IIRC we were roleplaying you but talking in Richard Nixon voice. Nothing said that hasn't been said anywhere else albeit with no kid gloves v0v.
Originally by: Jade Constantine
You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
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Joey Meow
MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Are you just sore I didn't buy your spy intel?
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Channel ID: 2134464264
Channel Name: Private Chat (Rebethecca)
Listener: Jade Constantine
Session started: 2008.08.05 01:30:29
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[ 2008.08.05 01:30:35 ] Rebethecca > Hi, have a minute?
[ 2008.08.05 01:31:07 ] Jade Constantine > hey there whats up ?
[ 2008.08.05 01:31:28 ] Rebethecca > Do you want a spy in Goonfleet? Like, a really well-placed spy?
[ 2008.08.05 01:31:42 ] Jade Constantine > we don't really care to be honest
[ 2008.08.05 01:31:58 ] Jade Constantine > we only wardecced them for a bit of idle fight practise for our new players from time to time
[ 2008.08.05 01:32:10 ] Jade Constantine > knowing where they are with spy intel would spoil the fun
[ 2008.08.05 01:32:36 ] Rebethecca > I meant more about Darius and Bane, what they were discussing and so forth.
[ 2008.08.05 01:33:29 ] Jade Constantine > not really that interested tbh
[ 2008.08.05 01:33:35 ] Rebethecca > But if you aren't interested, you aren't interested. Okay.
Even Goon spies are turdbags, and can't stop from making waves...
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queii
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Posted - 2008.08.07 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: queii on 07/08/2008 23:51:19
yikes
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los ojos
COGNET SpaceSystems Ltd
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Posted - 2008.08.07 23:51:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Are you just sore I didn't buy your spy intel?
2 words . . .
oh snap!
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Candice Dice
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Posted - 2008.08.08 01:16:00 -
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Huh, Original poster is a complete attention seeking moron and this thread contains much epic ******ation by Failswarm  |
Darius JOHNSON
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Posted - 2008.08.08 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Candice Dice
Huh, Original poster is a complete attention seeking moron and this thread contains much epic ******ation by Failswarm
Nice corp.
Originally by: Jade Constantine
You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
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Dionisius
Gallente
Sincarnate Holding
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Posted - 2008.08.08 21:34:00 -
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I am wondering is why is this thread still active in here? I meen what the heck are the forum mods doing?
This isn't even worthy of consideration, and despite my feelings towards the CSM itself i have to wonder how much hipocrisy runs around these forums and this playerbase...
Yeh Jade used some stronger words in a forum... WOW BIG DEAL! CALL IN THE UN COMITEE!!! ... get a grip people, if i was in some of CCP's staff shoes i would have been more worried about GS declarations of ruining EvE and the unacceptable proliferation of mindless alts and sort of characters around here.
In fact, Jade may not be perfect, but at the very very least he has appeared in most threads defending CSM ( agendas and sh*t cast aside ) while most of the representatives didn't even bother or only appeared to help and degradade the CSM image by atacking its chairman.
I can just point the GS member directly atacking Jade and nothing has been done! Geee how wonderfull CCP.
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iselljunk
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Posted - 2008.08.10 07:11:00 -
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To think so many game issues could have been fixed this term if Jade had gone with his original plan to play Hello Kitty Online instead of run for CSM.
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Strill
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Posted - 2008.08.10 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Rebethecca
I apologize for bypassing the word filter, but I believe that by using the word in a mature context I am not violating CCP's forums rules, and that it was necessary for the word to be apparent in order for the player community to make an informed decision concerning this matter.
I do not approve of Jade Constantine's misogynistic usage of the term 'ra pe' in recently released chat logs. The quote:
Quote:
Jade Constantine > put em in a straight up empire war and they get r aped
Hate speech is unacceptable in any context, and this sample of casual speech reveals more about Jade's character than any of his public communication ever could.
Joking around with the word 'rap e' is immature, celebrates, and helps perpetuate the culture of ra pe that western society wallows in.
Given this revelation, I must withdraw my previously strong support for Jade as a CSM council member. I advise other mature, concerned, eve players to do the same.
You know Shakespeare makes a much worse raep joke in the first scene of Romeo and Juliet but you don't see people condemning him as a major cause for corruption in society.
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Anna Valerios
Amarr
TAOSP
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.10 14:21:00 -
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I play eve on EXTREME mode in jita!
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Venomire
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.12 14:56:00 -
[43]
So where was Star Fraction anyway?
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Joss Sparq
Caldari
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.16 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Eternal Error
Poasting in a darius vs. jade thread. Also, the OP is a moron.
Now, if only I could get a little "thumb up of approval" for your post.
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Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2008.08.16 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: Serenity Steele on 16/08/2008 16:04:39
Originally by: Dionisius
I am wondering is why is this thread still active in here? I meen what the heck are the forum mods doing?
You need to email [email protected]; they aren't omnipresent.
I've sent 'em an email, rest is up to them.
Comedy thread though. 0.0 is easy? LOLZOR.
If it was so easy, >80% of the server population wouldn't be sitting in Empire.
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Lia Gaeren
Caldari
Pole Dancing Vixens
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Posted - 2008.08.16 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Serenity Steele
If it was so easy, >80% of the server population wouldn't be sitting in Empire.
The seats are more comfy there.
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
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Posted - 2008.08.17 16:24:00 -
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Locked.
Troll.
Mitnal
Community Representative
CCP Games, EVE Online
Email / Netfang
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