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Mirus Crosius
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Posted - 2004.05.31 21:53:00 -
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Recent events have put Millennium in the particularly difficult situation of having to place ourselves in potential opposition to our friends within the Phoenix Alliance. For this we thank CDI for their actions leading up to the current hostilities with our allies.
As such we are formally declaring war upon the pirates of CDI.
We understand that certain members of the Phoenix Alliance who have been and are allied to us will support CDI by launching an offensive against us and our like-minded allies. On behalf of Millennium, I urge you to dispose of CDI from your membership and join us in talking for peace between our corporations once more. We bear no-ill will to those corporations with the PA who have in the past shown us respect and support, but in this matter we feel we must support our friends in Reikoko, Jericho Fraction, Everlasting Vendetta, IMR and our other UNICOR allies who have shown us tremendous support in recent times.
We deeply regret the need for this stance; if it is to be a fight, lets make it clean. We value allies above all else, especially ships and stations; but in this we cannot remain neutral.
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Nuclear Baggins
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Posted - 2004.05.31 21:54:00 -
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Looking forward to the fight ahead 
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.05.31 21:57:00 -
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Welcome on board millennium.
RKK look forward to once again standing alongside you against the forces of evil.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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slothe
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Posted - 2004.05.31 21:58:00 -
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Edited by: slothe on 01/06/2004 00:38:23
Halseth durn said..
"To the PA; When I retracted my motion to remove CDI from the PA, it was in exchange for CDIs agreement to my terms of sanction. That is how I kept this war from happening 2 weeks ago. If CDI have broken those terms, then the motion for immediate removal needs to procede within the council WITHOUT delay. Halseth isn't around to handle all the conflict and confrontation any more. It is time for someone in the PA council to grow some gonads and embrace the art of confrontation."
i agree..
"But, if this is a PR campaign just to start war with the PA, and CDI is innocent, then this is a just war for the PA. And Godspeed my friends."
I disagree.CDI are NOT innocent- I saw the breaches myself- i even shot at havocide when he was in p3en. Ironiically i was in a gang WITH PA fighting pirates, with RKK at the other gate.
This is a war with a good cause.
I personally fought with pa for the last few weeks. It is with deep regret i have to fight friends.
However Halseth durn himself spells out the problem. I have a lot of respect for him and its a shame hes not present at the moment.
As jade has said "the cancer that is cdi needs to be removed"
If not the war is just.
Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com
or join our public channel ingame "MLM Public"
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Cadman Weyland
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Posted - 2004.05.31 22:36:00 -
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Edited by: Cadman Weyland on 31/05/2004 22:42:53
Oh bugger. Guess i better put a stash of clean underpants by the pc. Gonna be one of them months. 
Seriously it sucks. Im a humble miner, this is my view from the trenches. We are now stuck between 2 groups, both of which contain a number of Millenniums friends because CDI decided to stir up hassle and the PA leadership seem to be unwilling or unable to act against a bad apple whithin their midst.
This has caused much debate and a lot of angst within our corp. With opinions and tempers running very high. I know very little about the politics of it all. All i know is Millennium set out to try and fight the pirates, build ships and generally mine the hell outta places. Looks like we will end up fighting other good corps for because of the sins of one rotten egg.
I gotta feel for the likes of Mankind, Cpt Tinrib and Slothe all of whom have fought alongside the PA a number of times and will now find themselves fighting against them. 
Director of Empire Ops and Chief Carebear |
N'Fran D'Larn
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Posted - 2004.05.31 22:36:00 -
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Welcome to the fight MLM! 
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Manfred Doomhammer
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Posted - 2004.05.31 22:54:00 -
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With the recent turn of events now all our allies have gone to war against CDI/PA.
Honoring our friendship with Millenium, Everlasting Vendetta, IMR and all the others in UNICOR, ShadowTec Inc. will join in the fight.
From 1st of June 2004, 2300 server time, ShadowTec Inc. will be fighting alongside their allies against CDI and their allies.
We will do whatever we can to aid our allies in these dark times of conflict.
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Manfred Doomhammer
Fleet Admiral
CEO ShadowTec Inc.
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Raffael Ramirez
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Posted - 2004.05.31 22:58:00 -
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As i promised ShadowTec will help you in these times.
We are a small corp, but even the smallest corp can change the tides of war
Cya on the battlefield
Ramirez out
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slothe
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Posted - 2004.05.31 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: slothe on 31/05/2004 23:09:27
 Originally by: Manfred Doomhammer
With the recent turn of events now all our allies have gone to war against CDI/PA.
Honoring our friendship with Millenium, Everlasting Vendetta, IMR and all the others in UNICOR, ShadowTec Inc. will join in the fight.
From 1st of June 2004, 2300 server time, ShadowTec Inc. will be fighting alongside their allies against CDI and their allies.
We will do whatever we can to aid our allies in these dark times of conflict.
Thanks for the support guys :D
Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com
or join our public channel ingame "MLM Public"
http://www.khainestar.com/eve |
Jebidus Skari
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Posted - 2004.05.31 23:19:00 -
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Seriously, my head is really beginning to hurt trying to keep up with all of this. Ouchie 
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.05.31 23:54:00 -
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MLM this makes artegg sad
But now Artegg is ****ed we have been friends for ages and when a R-K pilot asked if the jump in to p3en was clear a MLM pilot said yes and guess what it was not. I am sorry people talk about lack of honor in the PA but people really need to take a look at themselves and stop preaching to the mass when they are prepared to so the same thing.
Sorry MLM 0 respect to you for this, this will not be forgotten by me so expect some pay back soon
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slothe
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Posted - 2004.06.01 00:04:00 -
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Edited by: slothe on 01/06/2004 00:06:13
Originally by: Artegg
MLM this makes artegg sad
But now Artegg is ****ed we have been friends for ages and when a R-K pilot asked if the jump in to p3en was clear a MLM pilot said yes and guess what it was not. I am sorry people talk about lack of honor in the PA but people really need to take a look at themselves and stop preaching to the mass when they are prepared to so the same thing.
Sorry MLM 0 respect to you for this, this will not be forgotten by me so expect some pay back soon
I dont know who you mean but mlm declared before this that we were at war.
However please note- after war declaration i was asked by a twb member if p3 was safe and said it wasnt. This pilot (simcor)was saved. He then proceeded to say how much pa "owned" our alliance. Maybe we saved the wrong one ;)
Pa still have our respect. However the respect is lost because of cdis actions. Nothing else.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.06.01 00:09:00 -
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B4 you make this decision, talk to those that fought us tonight, its a bad decision.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i |
DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.06.01 00:16:00 -
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don't worry eddz,
MLM have been in constant communication with us since we started fighting alongside them back in the blackhand guerrilas about 10 months ago.
They know as well as you and me that tonight we lost some and you lost some.
That's what happens in war ;)
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.06.01 00:18:00 -
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All "somes" are not equal. xx
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i |
slothe
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Posted - 2004.06.01 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
All "somes" are not equal. xx
Didnt you guys learn pvp from evolution?
Arent Evolution now fighting you?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 00:26:00 -
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My respect to Millenium corporation for taking this principled stand against the dishonourable actions of CDI and the Phoenix Alliance. In this time of shifting loyalties voiced by the mealy-mouthed politicians of RONA and Oberon and their PA lackies, it is a relief to smell the fresh scent of idealism and valour blowing through the northern regions of the Eve Star cluster.
When honest men stand up to be counted in a just cause then the universe stands up to take notice.
A new hope is rising in the north and the corrupt ideology of CDI and allies may at last be coming to an end.
JF Public Forum |
Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.06.01 00:29:00 -
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Go MLM! 
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Manfred Doomhammer
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Posted - 2004.06.01 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
B4 you make this decision, talk to those that fought us tonight, its a bad decision.
if this was aimed at our decission to join, know that joining a war is not about which side is stronger, but to which side you have the closer bonds. There are corporations joining wars for greed and there are corporations joining conflicts to assist their allies. ShadowTec Inc. sees its place in the latter group.
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Manfred Doomhammer
Fleet Admiral
CEO ShadowTec Inc.
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slothe
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Posted - 2004.06.01 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Manfred Doomhammer
if this was aimed at our decission to join, know that joining a war is not about which side is stronger, but to which side you have the closer bonds. There are corporations joining wars for greed and there are corporations joining conflicts to assist their allies. ShadowTec Inc. sees its place in the latter group.
amen
Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com
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Nuclear Baggins
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Posted - 2004.06.01 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
B4 you make this decision, talk to those that fought us tonight, its a bad decision.
Lag is a terrible thing, but to boast about lag kills is even worse
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Anndar Kreone
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Posted - 2004.06.01 02:58:00 -
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Everyone was lagged out, and most importantly EVERYONE knew that is the way it would be. So they cant really hide behind the lag excuse.
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Nuclear Baggins
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Posted - 2004.06.01 03:06:00 -
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Ok im definantly not after a flame post just saying ok no excuses just a statement.
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.06.01 05:34:00 -
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This is a great day indeed.
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2004.06.01 05:35:00 -
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A great day for treachery and villainy.
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K. Raven
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.06.01 05:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kalast Raven
A great day for treachery and villainy.
You were asked to remove CDI.
Then you were begged.
Then you were threatened.
Where is the treachery? We were TOTALLY upfront about what would happen. The further increase in tension is not of our doing.
Boot CDI and end this now!
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.06.01 05:39:00 -
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CDI is not leaving
end of discussion
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.06.01 05:43:00 -
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Originally by: LLeBRing
CDI is not leaving
end of discussion
Ergo the reason we are in the situation we are in.
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2004.06.01 05:45:00 -
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The CDi issue and the UNICOR declaration are matters discussed here:
I'll be watching that thread.
BW
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.06.01 06:44:00 -
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Question,
How much did CDI pay for those PA votes?
- N -
End this, boot CDI now!
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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KamiCrazy
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Posted - 2004.06.01 07:14:00 -
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I don't see all of Iraq strapping bombs to their chests when america invaded.
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Cadman Weyland
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Posted - 2004.06.01 07:43:00 -
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Could we cut out the flaming out guys, some of those were pretty nasty.. Im pretty sure a flame fest is not what Mirus wanted when he made his statement.
Director of Empire Ops and Chief Carebear |
Notferr
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Posted - 2004.06.01 07:45:00 -
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Damn straight...
Let's keep this from getting locked in record time.
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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un5een
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Posted - 2004.06.01 07:46:00 -
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jade pls stop talking about what other players maybe think! u are doing it way to often!
so i personally tell u to stfu!
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there are 6 million ways to die... chose one!
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.06.01 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: un5een
jade pls stop talking about what other players maybe think! u are doing it way to often!
so i personally tell u to stfu!
Incredible rebuttal....
Wow....
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.06.01 07:47:00 -
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Edited by: Notferr on 01/06/2004 07:51:15
Edited by: Notferr on 01/06/2004 07:50:46
Originally by: un5een
jade pls stop talking about what other players maybe think! u are doing it way to often!
so i personally tell u to stfu!
I could state un5een = pirate S.O.B., but that is for another thread.
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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Mirus Crosius
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Posted - 2004.06.01 08:06:00 -
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As Cadman quite rightly stated, please, please stop this senseless forum bickering. There is no need to attack every thread that goes up. Keep it in-game, relevant and fun. That's what it's supposed to be.
C'mon, eh?
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.06.01 08:32:00 -
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War is hell, why cant we all just mine in peace? ...
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.06.01 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
War is hell, why cant we all just mine in peace?...
Here kitty kitty, here now
/me loads his guns
How are you darth? I assume you are enjoying that apoc and the 8 miner 2's I gave you?
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Fuffel
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Posted - 2004.06.01 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mirus Crosius
As Cadman quite rightly stated, please, please stop this senseless forum bickering. There is no need to attack every thread that goes up. Keep it in-game, relevant and fun. That's what it's supposed to be.
C'mon, eh?
agree with that!
and Notferr, CE are no politicians.
Its beyond me, how you or Jade or RKK can demand whom we should choose as an ally...but
if its entertaining for Jade to fill pages after pages with "omg, omg I saw a pilot!! Call to arms brothers and sisters blablabla the world is coming to an end..."
Just do it.
Depending on the mood I am in, the lack of resemblance to anything ingame can be amusing or frustrating 
oh and somebody you are war with and shooting you down is not a pirate..last time I checked
CE is in fact dedicating most of its ingame time fighting pirats, but we are far from "holy" like your new friends.
cya in space
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.06.01 09:09:00 -
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Your not supposed to tell anyone about that. Now he's gonna go crying in the corner, gj jud
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.06.01 10:11:00 -
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Please do not use real life examples. Thank you
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.06.01 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: Jadrut on 01/06/2004 10:23:06
OMG is that a new sig eris? if it isnt i dont care it still looks cooler than what i thought the original one looked like
EDIT: I typo'ed eris' name
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Reassor
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Posted - 2004.06.01 10:47:00 -
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Edited by: Reassor on 01/06/2004 10:48:14
so TBH im posting it just lots of u (enemies) want to rona leave PA ... so im posting this:
Channelname: slothe conversation
Listener: Reassor
Session started: 2004.05.28 19:09:27
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[ 2004.05.28 19:09:38 ] Reassor > hi m8
[ 2004.05.28 19:09:38 ] slothe > hi
[ 2004.05.28 19:09:53 ] Reassor > did u hear rkk declared war on pa?
[ 2004.05.28 19:10:06 ] slothe > yeah i knew it was about to happen
[ 2004.05.28 19:10:19 ] Reassor > whats ur corp statement to this?
[ 2004.05.28 19:10:22 ] slothe > it saddens me
[ 2004.05.28 19:10:31 ] slothe > i dont know tbh
[ 2004.05.28 19:10:45 ] Reassor > u will stand neutral i hope:]
[ 2004.05.28 19:10:53 ] slothe > if my corp chooses to fight with rkk, which they might, im gonna leave
so ? i dnt see u are leaveng....
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 10:55:00 -
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Class act from the wolf brigade. Is it chatlog disclosure time boys? Perhaps its the moment for you to bring out all the chatlogs that prove everything you have been saying about Jericho Fraction?
(or maybe, just maybe, they don't exist)
JF Public Forum |
Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.06.01 10:55:00 -
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But then that makes no difference from Rona not leaving PA over the CDI matter does it?
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Reassor
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Posted - 2004.06.01 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: Reassor on 01/06/2004 11:05:33
it makes not!
becose CDi is inocent ... only few frigs was spoted in tribute/vale ... and RKK opened fire to them ... so?? we didnt atack RKK then becose CDi was trespasing forbiden territory for them .. it was fair
did PA declare war to any corp or alliance whos members was spoted in our space? NO!!
even NORAD guy was spoted few weeks ago and PA contacted his ceo and matter was solved...
so u all thinkn starting a war becose of few frigs is good? or a lame excuse?
TBH im happy i can shoot JF/RKK and EVOL .. but MLM/FU/COD and even EV was good to us and we was good to u all
so plz stop giving me this crap about CDI brake smth ...
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Reassor
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Posted - 2004.06.01 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Class act from the wolf brigade. Is it chatlog disclosure time boys? Perhaps its the moment for you to bring out all the chatlogs that prove everything you have been saying about Jericho Fraction?
(or maybe, just maybe, they don't exist)
can u just ignore me?... becose i will ignore u ... thats my last response to u
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 11:07:00 -
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Are you really this thick Reassor? (or is it all an act).
"CDI didn't break ceasefire (because it was only a few breaks of the ceasefire?)"
Is that your final answer?
JF Public Forum |
darth solo
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Posted - 2004.06.01 11:09:00 -
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Wolf brigade guy, posting a private chat log is lame, dont do that again..
Can only make u guys more enemies..
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.06.01 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
Wolf brigade guy, posting a private chat log is lame, dont do that again..
Can only make u guys more enemies..
darth just wants eris' job, ILL NEVER LOVE YOU DARTH
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.06.01 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jadrut
Originally by: darth solo
Wolf brigade guy, posting a private chat log is lame, dont do that again..
Can only make u guys more enemies..
darth just wants eris' job, ILL NEVER LOVE YOU DARTH
i ""AM"" EVE, jad, u should know that by now matey.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2004.06.01 11:13:00 -
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I ask you one question.
Did CDI do any actual damage (as in ship loss or any other type of monetary loss) to any of the parties who declared war in the time between the ceasefire agreement and the declaration of war by RKK?
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Reassor
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Posted - 2004.06.01 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
Wolf brigade guy, posting a private chat log is lame, dont do that again..
Can only make u guys more enemies..
then im lame .. happy now?
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.06.01 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
Originally by: Jadrut
Originally by: darth solo
Wolf brigade guy, posting a private chat log is lame, dont do that again..
Can only make u guys more enemies..
darth just wants eris' job, ILL NEVER LOVE YOU DARTH
i ""AM"" EVE, jad, u should know that by now matey.
pfft your joking right?
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Fuffel
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Posted - 2004.06.01 11:33:00 -
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jade, jade, jade 
yes, its absolutly nessesary to blow billions of ISK up because some frigs traveled anywhere...
because it its fun!
You have a decent kill-list yourself - not that most of the alts posting here couldnt top that by simply pressing selfdestruct, but quite some frigs died by your hands.
couldnt you simple say what you want?
like "I wannbe the beloved princess of the north again" or something??
because you surely dont want to insult the mental capacities of so many grown ups by telling the absolute shocking story over and over, do you?
I have seen ships in space where I dont like them to be before!
blow them up, its allowed in 0.0
if it doesnt work, feel free to ask on the forums
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.06.01 11:38:00 -
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As for Jade's kill list, ask Havocide what happened when they met....
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Judicator
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Posted - 2004.06.01 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
As for Jade's kill list, ask Havocide what happened when they met....
I know, I know....he got blown up...tihi giggle.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 12:29:00 -
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Its quite ironic how the endless wars and political strife have changed me actually; for once upon a time I was a peaceful trader more at home in my bestower class industrial ship than I was in a vessel of war. And I came to Venal in 0.0 with hopes of forging profitable trade runs and bringing a little wealth and industry to the north. How long ago that all seems? How many tyrants I have clashed with? How many treacherous corporations and cowardly dogs have turned from idealistic ally to deadly cynical foe?
I had my first pvp experiences in Venal, losing ships to Evolution, to various Fountain allies, to Cult of Cthulhu even I believe. I was a totally unskilled blackbird pilot and novice battleship jockey and yet still I fought Taggart and M3G4 and joined the war-gangs and did my best. My earliest experiences of death and podding and victory and killing are recorded on these forums, and Venal and Pureblind are where these things happened.
But I think, looking back, it was the Ragnar bounty on my head that targeted me for every criminal in Eve last summer that convinced me this was never going to be a quiet life. My participation in the NVA was in part a struggle to reclaim the innocence of the early days, and I hoped that by driving out the villains and murderers who leagued to RagnarÆs banner we might achieve it. But I think though we won, we ultimately lost, because the lure of mineral greed and violent territorial control drove once-honourable men to depths of tyrannical insanity.
While we were fighting Biomass as part of the NVA Jericho Fraction was a pretty small corp, perhaps a dozen active pilots total û and generally only about 4-5 who actively and regularly fought with the NVA defence forces in the north. (Though more of course thought with RKK and the southern corps in the south). The thing is that we certainly pulled out weight in terms of corp size and we always punched above our weight in engagements, in alliance funding, in administrative support, and in political representation. And we were fighting in Venal for the NVA before almost the entire current crop of PA yahoos had even dreamed of leaving the cradle of empire space.
Hence itÆs always difficult for us to hear the lies and carping falsehoods of these callow johnny-come-lately wastrels who think they conquered Venal from chaos, and they defeated Taggart Transpiratical, and they forged the first truly revolutionary Eve alliance.
So much time has past, so much blood spilled in the vacuum of space. So much history and mythology and glory and sacrifice for the causes of the north. And now the young bloods of the Phoenix Alliance ask why the universe of Eve should listen to the words of Jericho Fraction, should be persuaded by the justice of the Reikoku cause? Should consider Evolution anything other than pirates and terrorists?
Young fools like Reassor cough out imprecations and his comrades ask ôhow can Jade and Jericho and Galavet and DB and Reikokuö persuade so many to take our cause and make the aim the freeing of the north from Phoenix sway?
Well, the answer is that we were there when Taggart fell, we bought that victory with our blood and courage and we were there first. We fought with honour, we treated with honour, and we strove with honour to build a new politics of freespace and hope to free a region from tyranny and darkness.
Yes we failed, but it was a glorious failure that left us hungry yet to try again.
And while we live the story will never die, and while the story lives its words entice the hearts and hope and idealistic dreams of valorous men. In the Phoenix Alliance you live lives of ash and sawdust, bland and tasteless, for you the isk has ceased to glitter and the stars are far diminished.
Yet to we who write the stories of the future no adversity is too harsh, no odds insurmountable, no cause or foe beyond our reach.
You of the PA asked why we jumped to certain death last night on VenalÆs borders?
You laugh, you boast, you make scornful jest.
But still in your heart of hearts the nagging question ôwhy?ö
ItÆs no secret though, and those who hear the story told in bold refrain know well, that death is nothing and material destruction lesser yet, for there is one coin that greed and evil can never take.
Legend.
The right to write the stories of our time.
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Karol Kei
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Posted - 2004.06.01 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Fuffel
blow them up, its allowed in 0.0
Many times politics in Eve are very complicated. Considering the fact that a large majority of pilots are not very interested in politics, and even to a lesser extend do they stay on top of such subjects, it is no wonder that the forum often fills with flames and accusations and general bad vibes.
This particular time is different however. This time it is very simple. This is a very peculiar crisis in Eve, or at least I have never witnessed one like this.
What makes it different is the fact that both parties agree on pretty much everything. In case of the people that are in the best position to know within PA they agree completely with the enemy. I point my finger to the clarification written in this forum by Halseth, that verifies 100% what the enemies of PA are saying.
Yet, there are pilots that continue to twist around a simple subject where there is no room to do that. Apart from the amusement value, there is little use for it. And once they time after time have been shown to be in the wrong they say something along the lines of: I don't care about politics, anyway. Keep it in space.
So why say anything at all in the first place? Why not just stay in space?
The situation is very simple, and not disputed on either side by those who know it. The facts that are agreed on:
1. There was a disagreement, and then there was war.
2. The war was halted with a ceasefire with certain terms that have been widely quoted. PA can refer to Halseth's post, since they won't believe anything else, it seems.
3. The terms of the ceasefire were broken by CDI of PA. This has been admitted.
4. The war resumed.
5. Some allies of RKK, including JF, put ultimatums on PA: Enforce the terms of the ceasefire or we are forced to declare war on you.
6. Ultimatums have passed and war is upon us as PA failed to reach the demands placed in the ceasefire agreement by their own negotiators as much as the other party.
It is important to understand that booting of CDI is a part of the ceasefire agreement. It is not something that the enemies of PA are demanding, but it is something that PA agreed to instead. If this is unreasonable, as has been said by many members of the PA, it should never have been agreed in the first place.
It is totally out of place to accuse the enemies of PA, let alone individuals of the demands that were put into the ceasefire agreement. Those terms were agreed upon by PA every bit as much as the other party did. This simple but the most important fact seems to be completely lost on some of the most vocal people in this discussion.
The meaning of the ceasefire agreement was never to boot CDI, it was to convince the other party that PA would clean it's own house and keep it in order. As a reassurance they made very simple promises:
1. If CDI breaks the terms, they will be booted.
1b. And to convince the other party that PA was serious, the people negotiating for PA made a promise to take their very influental own corporations out of PA in case point 1. somehow fell through.
Facts are straight and simple. The logic that is needed to analyze the situation is not complicated.
And here we finally arrive to the quote of Fuffel above. Blowing up stuff which is taken place. One should not forget that the purpose of a ceasefire agreement is to prevent such things. Trying to salvage such an agreement must be done first, if that fails blowing up stuff follows. And it did.
How have we managed to discuss page after page after page about the details on how the blowing up stuff came to be is not amazing at all, actually. One needs to only see the posts made about the matter to witness that it is but a handful of people that are in complete denial trying to talk black into white going in a circle.
"It wasn't our fault, ok it was but it doesn't matter, keep it in space politics suck anyway. It wasn't our fault... " And repeat that for 40 pages.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.06.01 12:38:00 -
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Legends.
alololol
Thats a good one.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Legends.
alololol
Thats a good one.
Take a moment, have a seat, grab a coffee, don't just type a reflex response. Really think about this. How many people in Eve have achieved the typical success levels in this game? Ships, kit, a billion isk, full implants, comfortable mining locations, hanger full of tat.
100? 1000? Who knows?
But who will be remembered a year from now?
Who will we talking about over drinks down the pub with involved friends? Who will get written about? Who will inspire fiction and player-led interaction?
Whose name will be immortal KIAEddZ?
Who are the heroes? Who are the villains?
What was their story?
What was their legend?
At the end of the day in a single shard game of this scope ... thats all that matters to me.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.06.01 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Legends.
alololol
Thats a good one.
Legends draw both praise and scorn.
You are just adding to Jericho's legend every time you flame.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.06.01 12:53:00 -
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I think maybe legends is a bit far Jade. Let's just settle for being right and in this case we are.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.06.01 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jadrut
Originally by: darth solo
Originally by: Jadrut
Originally by: darth solo
Wolf brigade guy, posting a private chat log is lame, dont do that again..
Can only make u guys more enemies..
darth just wants eris' job, ILL NEVER LOVE YOU DARTH
i ""AM"" EVE, jad, u should know that by now matey.
pfft your joking right?
I NEVER JOKE.
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Fuffel
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Posted - 2004.06.01 13:08:00 -
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Quote:
This time it is very simple
you guys should really work on your contemplative abilities
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Maud Dib
I think maybe legends is a bit far Jade. Let's just settle for being right and in this case we are.[/quot
Well having a just cause is certainly a good start ;) I don't know what came over me earlier ... I think it was looking out at a gloomy london skyline and day-dreaming of starships. Ultimately I think none of us have grown up!
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Meyer Meyer
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Posted - 2004.06.01 13:49:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
But who will be remembered a year from now?
Who will we talking about over drinks down the pub with involved friends? Who will get written about? Who will inspire fiction and player-led interaction?
Whose name will be immortal KIAEddZ?
Who are the heroes? Who are the villains?
What was their story?
What was their legend?
The heroes are all the nameless soldiers who fight and die for their friends and their home.
Those who will be remembered are those who talked the most and acchived less.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.01 13:52:00 -
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Quote:
The heroes are all the nameless soldiers who fight and die for their friends and their home.
Those who will be remembered are those who talked the most and acchived less.
You should read more mythology.
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Meyer Meyer
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Posted - 2004.06.01 14:27:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Quote:
The heroes are all the nameless soldiers who fight and die for their friends and their home.
Those who will be remembered are those who talked the most and acchived less.
You should read more mythology.
Thanks but I¦ll prefer actual history where I find the truth.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.06.01 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Meyer Meyer
Thanks but I¦ll prefer actual history where I find the truth.
"actual history" and "the truth" are about as factually correct as every other flaming post on these boards anyways.
There is no truth in history, history is usually written in a one-sided manner which is not grasping the multi-faceted things going on (not just 2 but many sides).
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Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2004.06.01 14:49:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
How many people in Eve have achieved the typical success levels in this game? [...] hanger full of tat.
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2004.06.01 14:53:00 -
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N4S declares war on all of you well just for fun
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.06.01 14:58:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Tatsue Nuko
Originally by: Jade Constantine
How many people in Eve have achieved the typical success levels in this game? [...] hanger full of tat.
if she meant you i think she would have said tats
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.06.01 15:03:00 -
[75]
Originally by: darth solo
Originally by: Jadrut
Originally by: darth solo
Originally by: Jadrut
Originally by: darth solo
Wolf brigade guy, posting a private chat log is lame, dont do that again..
Can only make u guys more enemies..
darth just wants eris' job, ILL NEVER LOVE YOU DARTH
i ""AM"" EVE, jad, u should know that by now matey.
pfft your joking right?
I NEVER JOKE.
Cos you are a joke
sorry that was bad
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Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2004.06.01 15:17:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Jadrut
Originally by: Tatsue Nuko
Originally by: Jade Constantine
How many people in Eve have achieved the typical success levels in this game? [...] hanger full of tat.
if she meant you i think she would have said tats
DAMN! Having me in one's hangar should be one of the "success levels", don't you agree?
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.06.01 15:25:00 -
[77]
But wouldnt it be more of a success if there was 1, unique tatsue?
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Shar Gath
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Posted - 2004.06.01 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Shar Gath on 01/06/2004 16:09:31
Edited by: Shar Gath on 01/06/2004 15:53:11
When U all PA enemies will stop giving us your reasons for war and "when CDI leavs this **** is over" cr*p?
You thought that you can declare war on us and we will kick CDI out and negotiate just like everytime in near past. Do you still dont get it? We won't. We wont kick CDI beacouse they are PA. Can you get it? Phoenix Alliance Member. PA bro's. And it is no matter how many traitors will join you, this **** wont stop your way. This **** will stop our way. ANd this is baaad for you 
And please, stop this forum cr*p, can't we just have some fun????
And DbPreacher it was not that we lost some and you lost some. We lost a few and you lost OMFG And dont tell me about odds and laag and anything coz winning is winning. You call it breavery, I call it stupidity. Don't fight the enemy you cant handle.
Oh, and if anybody thinks posting chats logs is cr*p go and check Jericho forums.
Anyways I still appreciate that you came in and fight. It was fun fighting you all and lets keep it that way. At least I'm about to no matter how some of you will call me. I am above this forum cr*p and especially ppl who are not. Hope most of you dont give a **** about it to.
greetz, SGh
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Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2004.06.01 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jadrut
But wouldnt it be more of a success if there was 1, unique tatsue?
You do have a point there.
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