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Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.07 12:07:00 - [61] Originally by: Richard Angevian IMHO, it will "stop" with the NNC being crushed between the cap blobs of the "band of developers" and the insatiable appetite for moons of the Russians. We're looking forward to it. Can't always win you'know :) --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Tonkin D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.07 12:07:00 - [62] Originally by: Rebellion Personaly, I just want my stuff back from BKG. I kind of miss the place too. trust when you get ur stuff from there you leave right away, crap area
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.08.07 13:28:00 - [63] Originally by: Tifa Lionheart summary - i backstabbed and got caught and pwnzord and now i'm a emo forum empire nobody I don't follow, who did I backstab? ----------
Valrandir Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.07 14:42:00 - [64] Originally by: Dirtball I heard razor and mm are going to let everyone lose all their space on purpose than tell everyone to hole up around tribute so when they hold off an attack they can reference it for like 2 years in every thread. Hey Dirtball Been a long time :) This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware.
titanstory Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.08.07 16:33:00 - [65] Bob dont want new regions anyway.
Alois Hammer Minmatar Dinochrome Brigade Intrepid Proprietary Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.09 15:12:00 - [66] wow butterdog went into forum spamming??? the horror!!! :) at least he gets to be celbrated..in the proper manner.. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0705/pirates.wmv BUTTER DOG !!! miss y man!!..
Aya Otosaki Titan Indurstrial	Posted - 2008.08.09 15:21:00 - [67] Originally by: Metal Dude We come in peace. and you go back in pieces. dolf is great ----- Ignorance is my strength.
Minyme	Posted - 2008.08.09 15:43:00 - [68] Back on topic. It stops in NOL. 6 months from now.
MonwrathDisortium Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.08.09 15:44:00 - [69] I like crunchy tacos.
Doosh Bagge Soldi di Protezione	Posted - 2008.08.09 16:20:00 - [70] Originally by: mynnna I hate to break it to you, OP, but BoB doesn't really do a good, thorough job when it comes to driving people out of 0.0, killing them off once and for all, never to rise again, etc. +10 points for irony.
Anax Walsinghami The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.08.09 18:54:00 - [71] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Saltire I really hope GBC dont just do what MC did and chase NC into empire, then leave them to retake everything, follow them to empire GBC, slaughter them wherever they run until they quit or disband. Bitter much? There is a difference between being bitter, and having a genuine dislike for the way you cowards play the game. Don't forget that, its why so many people loathe the NC. Now, stop posting and DIE (in game) Judging by the amount of ships lost by NC fighting BoB, the last word I'd use is "coward" when describing NC pilots. As to blobbing I thought the failed BRUCE alliance was king of the blob. Now it is NC? Never heard about NC being blobbers while Bruce was alive.
Tassi Mataseo Caldari Genbu Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.09 19:12:00 - [72] Originally by: Minyme Back on topic. It stops in NOL. 6 months from now. what when BoB done a full circel ?
Eskalin Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.09 19:33:00 - [73] Originally by: Tifa Lionheart summary - i backstabbed and got caught and pwnzord and now i'm a emo forum empire nobody quoting this for irony If babies weren't to be eaten they wouldn't be hibachi sized
Barbaro55a Caldari Hangover Heros.	Posted - 2008.08.09 19:46:00 - [74] Originally by: Eskalin Originally by: Tifa Lionheart summary - i backstabbed and got caught and pwnzord and now i'm a emo forum empire nobody quoting this for irony Quoting this for no apparent reason.
queen1121 Empire Dreams	Posted - 2008.08.09 21:12:00 - [75] Originally by: Anax Walsinghami Judging by the amount of ships lost by NC fighting BoB, the last word I'd use is "coward" when describing NC pilots. As to blobbing I thought the failed BRUCE alliance was king of the blob. Now it is NC? Never heard about NC being blobbers while Bruce was alive. Considering your NC age, you should stop posting and go read something like early TRI vs IRON threads from 2006. Sheer amount of lost ships doesn't change fact that incompetence can be hidden behind a blob. Or to quote Stalin: Numbers is quality of its own. But in videogame, meh...
Tifa Lionheart Minmatar The Beautiful People	Posted - 2008.08.09 21:49:00 - [76] Originally by: queen1121 Originally by: Anax Walsinghami Judging by the amount of ships lost by NC fighting BoB, the last word I'd use is "coward" when describing NC pilots. As to blobbing I thought the failed BRUCE alliance was king of the blob. Now it is NC? Never heard about NC being blobbers while Bruce was alive. Considering your NC age, you should stop posting and go read something like early TRI vs IRON threads from 2006. Sheer amount of lost ships doesn't change fact that incompetence can be hidden behind a blob. Or to quote Stalin: Numbers is quality of its own. But in videogame, meh... When did Stalin say that and what video game was he referring to ?
Malcanis We are Legend eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.09 21:57:00 - [77] Originally by: Tifa Lionheart Originally by: queen1121 Originally by: Anax Walsinghami Judging by the amount of ships lost by NC fighting BoB, the last word I'd use is "coward" when describing NC pilots. As to blobbing I thought the failed BRUCE alliance was king of the blob. Now it is NC? Never heard about NC being blobbers while Bruce was alive. Considering your NC age, you should stop posting and go read something like early TRI vs IRON threads from 2006. Sheer amount of lost ships doesn't change fact that incompetence can be hidden behind a blob. Or to quote Stalin: Numbers is quality of its own. But in videogame, meh... When did Stalin say that and what video game was he referring to ? C&C - Red Alert CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.09 22:48:00 - [78] Originally by: Heptameron Finally I can 100% assure whatever happens with the GBC, Razor will not disband or hide in empire or forget it's friends. Modus Operandi may have to change yes, but hell we've done it before and will do it again. Now if CCP could just give us even mediochre performance we would be looking forward to some sweet sweet fights. Originally by: Alyssa Ling Honestly, I personally respect the GBC for thier efforts, I think they are one of the only groups who can really back up most if not all of the smack they post on CAOD, I look foward to many more good fights with them, even if Dek is lost there is still the entire north to go through and you can bet all of us will fight to the last, as for the people we loose, well it's times like these that will show us who belongs here and who needs to be kicked out of the alliance, so respect to the GBC keep bringing it I have to say that I find these to be great attitudes. All in all, EVE needs conflict to drive change. That's the underlying method to all our madness.
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2008.08.09 22:59:00 - [79] I have to agree. Those attitudes are what there needs to be more of, rather then the "omg we are getting shot at, lets disband"
Eskalin Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.09 23:01:00 - [80] Originally by: Rebellion Originally by: Heptameron Finally I can 100% assure whatever happens with the GBC, Razor will not disband or hide in empire or forget it's friends. Modus Operandi may have to change yes, but hell we've done it before and will do it again. Now if CCP could just give us even mediochre performance we would be looking forward to some sweet sweet fights. Originally by: Alyssa Ling Honestly, I personally respect the GBC for thier efforts, I think they are one of the only groups who can really back up most if not all of the smack they post on CAOD, I look foward to many more good fights with them, even if Dek is lost there is still the entire north to go through and you can bet all of us will fight to the last, as for the people we loose, well it's times like these that will show us who belongs here and who needs to be kicked out of the alliance, so respect to the GBC keep bringing it I have to say that I find these to be great attitudes. All in all, EVE needs conflict to drive change. That's the underlying method to all our madness. /signed If babies weren't to be eaten they wouldn't be hibachi sized
Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.10 09:47:00 - [81] Edited by: Shirei on 10/08/2008 09:48:12 Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Butter Dog There is a difference between being bitter, and having a genuine dislike for the way you cowards play the game. Don't forget that, its why so many people loathe the NC. Really dude. It was all cordial and nice. Then we kicked you out so hard that the alliance leader left and the ally itself disbanded. From there on it's been nothing but a very biased tirade against the NC for you and a few others. If that doesn't qualify as bitter I dunno what will :) In all honesty, I'd heard things about the NC prior to living in the North. I'd heard you were blobbing cowards who couldn't achieve anything against even minor opponents, without the help of every other alliance in the North. I'd heard you only ever used massive numbers, because you lacked both confidence and skill at playing the game. But I held back judgement. As you said, things were cordial. Then you decided it would be 'fun' to bring an 800 man fleet with you to remove what the NC called 'Failsurgency'. In that process, you lost something in the region of 1000 battleships, 50 caps, and a titan. Against a single, relatively new alliance with little in the way of resources. As victories go, it was hollow in the extreme. Seriously, before the war against TRI/INSRG kicked off, your own leadership (or rather TRI) were all bragging and threatening how they could field combined field fleets of several hundreds of capitals peaking at ~700 total fleet size and would crush all of NC, if we did anything they didn't like. Guess they couldn't back up their threats and bragging. With that attitude it was never gonna stay a war against just INSRG, and surprise... it wasn't.
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.10 09:59:00 - [82] Originally by: Dirtball I heard razor and mm are going to let everyone lose all their space on purpose than tell everyone to hole up around tribute so when they hold off an attack they can reference it for like 2 years in every thread. I don't think we want to implement the Delve Defense Plan yet.
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.08.10 10:07:00 - [83] Originally by: Shirei Seriously, before the war against TRI/INSRG kicked off, your own leadership (or rather TRI) were all bragging and threatening how they could field combined field fleets of several hundreds of capitals peaking at ~700 total fleet size and would crush all of NC, if we did anything they didn't like. No, we didn't. Seriously, prove anyone from INSRG leadership said that. Go on... Or do you just believe everything Fred0 tells you? ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Pesadel0 Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.10 10:19:00 - [84] Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg Originally by: Dirtball I heard razor and mm are going to let everyone lose all their space on purpose than tell everyone to hole up around tribute so when they hold off an attack they can reference it for like 2 years in every thread. I don't think we want to implement the Delve Defense Plan yet. Because delve was lost we returned to the stations and we said "you shall not pass" ------------------------------------------------------------------
TWD Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.10 10:21:00 - [85] Edited by: TWD on 10/08/2008 10:21:04 The NC is still able to defend one station system if they focus their fleet including capitals in that system. However, that leaves pretty much all other (station) systems open for attacks. They are pretty good at keeping numbers up, even after big losses. The biggest losses (pretty much battleships and below) against the NC have been to titans in cynojammed systems. We've taken down between 20 and 30 cynojammers. The NC is reluctant to defend a system once the jammer is down, and the few attempts from their side have been unsuccesful. Maybe this will change and they'll surprise us. The lack of experience of the NC FC's is quite noticable especially in capital fights, but that's because capital fights have been mostly happening in the south. This might improve over time.
Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.10 10:51:00 - [86] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Shirei Seriously, before the war against TRI/INSRG kicked off, your own leadership (or rather TRI) were all bragging and threatening how they could field combined field fleets of several hundreds of capitals peaking at ~700 total fleet size and would crush all of NC, if we did anything they didn't like. No, we didn't. Seriously, prove anyone from INSRG leadership said that. Go on... Or do you just believe everything Fred0 tells you? I said TRI leadership, duh. For INSRG leadership claiming stuff like that you will only have to look at the all the wonderful propaganda op announcement posts on INSRG forum where your dear leader was announcing they were expecting to field capfleets of like 300 people combined with TRI and other allies and were gonna crush everything in their path. Fred0 also doesn't need to tell me stuff, I've been reading the chatlogs and have rarely seen pieces of as much utter arrogance as what INSRG/TRI leadership were saying before this war kicked off.
Ky Mena Mouse Click	Posted - 2008.08.10 11:06:00 - [87] with the currently state of sov and the size of both attacker and defender. this war is not about space. its about influence. (MAX was right, surprisingly) NC can lose all of its space, which mind you.. is pretty huge and is going to take a long time to siege down unless all of them just disband. and still be a threat to BoB. and quite frankly. i cannot see BoB running POSes in 7 regions again. however, what really really drives me away from major conflicts like these are 1 Lag. 2 Metagaming. while it is a completely legit way of playing the game. from the grunt level, i can say that 100% of us do not enjoy being a victim of it. while we love to have it on our side. this leads to some ethical and moral issues which will only lead to flame war. 3 blobing, it is the only way to win.. lagging, and especially lagging. no FC will say no if somebody X up with an suitable ship for the op. and it is generally a bad idea to engage a fleet thats bigger than yours in size(all else factors disregarded). 4 POS, it is never fun to shoot/rep them. I have cap toons, siege POS is THE most boring thing ever. and repping one is equally so. most of us pay to have fun in game. not have our day ruined because somebody decides it is fun for them to order an system siege/PoS take down/Rotating on a gate for hours. just my 2iskes I sell, I buy, I survive
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.08.10 12:03:00 - [88] Originally by: Shirei Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Shirei Seriously, before the war against TRI/INSRG kicked off, your own leadership (or rather TRI) were all bragging and threatening how they could field combined field fleets of several hundreds of capitals peaking at ~700 total fleet size and would crush all of NC, if we did anything they didn't like. No, we didn't. Seriously, prove anyone from INSRG leadership said that. Go on... Or do you just believe everything Fred0 tells you? I said TRI leadership, duh. For INSRG leadership claiming stuff like that you will only have to look at the all the wonderful propaganda op announcement posts on INSRG forum where your dear leader was announcing they were expecting to field capfleets of like 300 people combined with TRI and other allies and were gonna crush everything in their path. Fred0 also doesn't need to tell me stuff, I've been reading the chatlogs and have rarely seen pieces of as much utter arrogance as what INSRG/TRI leadership were saying before this war kicked off. 300? I thought you said 700? Seriously, you're just posting rubbish and you can't substantiate a word you say. Perfect CAOD material, in other words. But if you actually believe the stuff you're writing, then I'd challenge you to prove it. Or.... stop posting. ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Kryztal Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.10 12:52:00 - [89] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Saltire I really hope GBC dont just do what MC did and chase NC into empire, then leave them to retake everything, follow them to empire GBC, slaughter them wherever they run until they quit or disband. Bitter much? There is a difference between being bitter, and having a genuine dislike for the way you cowards play the game. Don't forget that, its why so many people loathe the NC. Now, stop posting and DIE (in game) Fredo is no coward -.- tyvm ! - WE ARE BETTER THAN YOU ! -
Naomi Wildfire Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire	Posted - 2008.08.10 14:32:00 - [90] Originally by: Saltire This question is really to the attackers, will you attack any of the core member alliances space (MM / RZR)? If the answer is yes will you be driving them out of 0.0 and killing them off once and for all? speaking as a former victim of the NC's brainless blobbing I would love to see their core membership destroyed, never to rise again. Bitter ex-insurgency. You got what you deserved.

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