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Toman Jerich Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.06 21:25:00 - [1] This is pretty simple change. Everyone in high-sec space should be un-attackable by default, UNLESS they intentionally flag themselves for PVP. Basically, attempting to activate weapons or hostile modules against someone in high-sec who is not flagged for PVP should result in an "I'm sorry, I can't do that Dave" message being printed on the screen and the weapon or module should refuse to activate. To flag or un-flag for PVP, you simply right-click on your ship display and check or uncheck an "High-Sec PVP Enabled" option. PKers who flag themselves for PVP can show up in the overview with a flashing blue background -- that way they can find one another to fight. High-Sec also needs a dueling mode so that you can fight your friends without flagging for general PVP. This would work by right-clicking on your opponent in the overview and click a "Duel" option. Your opponent does the same for you, and the duel starts five seconds later. The duel ends whenever either combatant leaves the grid where the duel was started, or when either combatant takes structure damage. Of course, since this is just a duel, the worst damage that either ships can take will still leave it with one point of structure. Repairs to recover from damage received in duels should be free, because they're just for fun. As for war decs: They still apply like normal in low-sec, but in high-sec you should only be able to attack war targets if they're flagged for PVP. Concord is getting more strict in high-security space all the way around since that nasty business in Yulai! I think that these changes will fit in very well with the theme of CCP's most recent changes.
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.08.06 21:31:00 - [2] NO --
Darius JOHNSON	Posted - 2008.08.06 21:37:00 - [3] Just for clarification wasn't this idea already raised by a member of the CSM? Originally by: Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe. -- Illaria's CSM
Iraf Thaiberd GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.06 21:38:00 - [4] Edited by: Iraf Thaiberd on 06/08/2008 21:38:31 Man's just sayin that CCP should cut out all this middle ground crap and do what it is they're obviously heading towards. They can even call it the Trammel Expansion so everyone will know where they stand.
Autopilot Engaged	Posted - 2008.08.06 21:42:00 - [5] I agree completely. If there's one thing everyone knows, it's that empire space is for consensual PvP ONLY. All this nasty business with empire wardecs and suicide ganking is simply ruining this game. After all, if this game isn't about macromining safely in highsec what's it about?
Toman Jerich Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.06 22:11:00 - [6] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Just for clarification wasn't this idea already raised by a member of the CSM? Possibly; great minds think alike.
Aleus Stygian	Posted - 2008.08.06 22:17:00 - [7] This is not WoW. I know that's a very standard comeback, but in this case the references are so damn plain to see that it's appropriate.
morpSkort	Posted - 2008.08.06 22:35:00 - [8] As an American, I think that CCP should allow concord to do it's job and stop appeasing the terrorists. You're either with us, or against us and hate freedom
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.08.06 22:47:00 - [9] Definately. My playstyle is as valid as any griefer's. Actually, my playstyle is more valid because I have ethics and morals. Killing other players should be a capital offence. That should apply to 0.0 and low sec too. If you kill anyone in 0.0, whenever you come near a low sec gate you get executed, and your character biomassed. If you kill anyone in low sec, whenever you come near a high sec gate, the same thing happens. That would make the game more balanced when it comes to people who simply don't want to pvp.
Karentaki Gallente Maximum Yarrage	Posted - 2008.08.06 22:52:00 - [10] Edited by: Karentaki on 06/08/2008 22:52:20 See my sig... ============= RE: The piracy nerf Originally by: agent apple I believe I can safely speak for many of us when I say, Dear Devs, Go Back to WOW
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.06 23:03:00 - [11] Originally by: Toman Jerich Stuff I see what you did there. Vote against the nano nerf!
Herschel Yamamoto Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2008.08.06 23:18:00 - [12] Ha ha, a parody thread. How droll. ------------------ Fix the forums!
TornSoul BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.08.06 23:23:00 - [13] High-Sec PVP should be opt-in only. : No. High-sec is not 100% riskfree, and CCP never intended it to be nor should it be (plenty of other games that offer that kind of mechanics hint hint) It's _safer_ but definatly not safe. Nor should it be. Also, give us dueling mode! : Sure why not. (don't really care either way - But can't see what it would hurt) BIG Lottery
Iraf Thaiberd GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.06 23:43:00 - [14] Originally by: Aleus Stygian This is not WoW. not yet!
Tchu Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.08.07 01:06:00 - [15] Originally by: Iraf Thaiberd Originally by: Aleus Stygian This is not WoW. not yet! You just win this forums!
LASER WATCHER GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.07 03:39:00 - [16] Edited by: LASER WATCHER on 07/08/2008 03:39:30 Personally, I feel that high-sec miners (like me) need to have a safe place to conduct our business while warring factions take their aggression out on each other freely. As long as they have an outlet for free PVP wherever they may want it at their choosing, then High-sec will be a much more equal place. _____
Zaisig Murakk Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.07 06:09:00 - [17] I feel that removing insurance payouts, increasing sec status hits and decreasing concord response time are steps in the right direction, but more needs to be done, and I think the OP hit the nail right on the head.
Myrhial Arkenath Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.08.07 07:08:00 - [18] Edited by: Myrhial Arkenath on 07/08/2008 07:08:19 Highsec is safer, not safe. Diary of a pod pilot
Nekopyat	Posted - 2008.08.07 07:15:00 - [19] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Ha ha, a parody thread. How droll. At least people arn't taking it seriously ^_^
Malcanis We are Legend eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.07 07:37:00 - [20] Originally by: Toman Jerich This is pretty simple change. Everyone in high-sec space should be un-attackable by default, UNLESS they intentionally flag themselves for PVP. Basically, attempting to activate weapons or hostile modules against someone in high-sec who is not flagged for PVP should result in an "I'm sorry, I can't do that Dave" message being printed on the screen and the weapon or module should refuse to activate. To flag or un-flag for PVP, you simply right-click on your ship display and check or uncheck an "High-Sec PVP Enabled" option. PKers who flag themselves for PVP can show up in the overview with a flashing blue background -- that way they can find one another to fight. High-Sec also needs a dueling mode so that you can fight your friends without flagging for general PVP. This would work by right-clicking on your opponent in the overview and click a "Duel" option. Your opponent does the same for you, and the duel starts five seconds later. The duel ends whenever either combatant leaves the grid where the duel was started, or when either combatant takes structure damage. Of course, since this is just a duel, the worst damage that either ships can take will still leave it with one point of structure. Repairs to recover from damage received in duels should be free, because they're just for fun. As for war decs: They still apply like normal in low-sec, but in high-sec you should only be able to attack war targets if they're flagged for PVP. Concord is getting more strict in high-security space all the way around since that nasty business in Yulai! I think that these changes will fit in very well with the theme of CCP's most recent changes. Now that wardecs are officially "griefing" it's very clear that consensual PvP is what CCP intends for hi-sec; we might as well just see it done in one big patch rather than dragging the pain out over several. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Malcanis We are Legend eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.07 07:37:00 - [21] Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath Edited by: Myrhial Arkenath on 07/08/2008 07:08:19 Highsec was safer, not safe. Fixed. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
abbagabba Gallente Monster Raving Loonies	Posted - 2008.08.07 09:27:00 - [22] Originally by: morpSkort As an American, I think that CCP should allow concord to do it's job and stop appeasing the terrorists. You're either with us, or against us and hate freedom
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2008.08.07 09:34:00 - [23] I smell troll . Signature graphics that may only contain your character name, corporation logo, corporation or personal slogan or other text that is directly related to your in-game persona, or content directly related to EVE Online. All content must be in good taste.Applebabe Bitter Old Vet
agent apple Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.07 10:15:00 - [24] /Signed But while your at it can you make sure NPC's get the same treatment, i'm like minding my own business warping into these deadspace places and they all just start shooting me, what if I was AFK? nothing should shoot me until I activate my dave buttan.
Red Thunder Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.08.07 10:31:00 - [25] NO NO NO NO NO NO Eagles may soar, but weasels dont get sucked into jet engines
Elhina Novae Amarr Destruction Reborn CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.08.07 11:07:00 - [26] It was enough to read the title. www.wow-online.com? I prefer eve personally ------------ Somebody set up us the bomb
Karentaki Gallente Maximum Yarrage	Posted - 2008.08.07 11:27:00 - [27] Originally by: Iraf Thaiberd Originally by: Aleus Stygian This is not WoW. not yet! QFT ============= RE: The piracy nerf Originally by: agent apple I believe I can safely speak for many of us when I say, Dear Devs, Go Back to WOW
Pheonix Kanan D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.07 12:36:00 - [28] please ccp. this univited pvp must stop!111!!1 seriously, all i want to do is spin my ship outside and not in station!!!!11!!!! -----
Trojanman190 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.07 12:43:00 - [29] I full support this. Can we get a modal dialogue in space every time somebody locks me asking if I want to fight them? That would make my daily chores of hauling, mining, and hauling, and afk hauling and mining much less exhausting as I won't need to worry about any kind of risk. Also, please give this modal an auto reject feature so I can ignore it entirely. Thanks.
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.08.07 14:36:00 - [30] You guise, quit messin around. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.08.07 14:55:00 - [31] Supported 100%. I would further ask that all Mission Deadspaces be locked from anyone but the Mission Runner, and they would not be scannable by any probes, and anyone salvaging from wrecks that are not created by them would get CONCORDOKKENED. We're Recruiting!
GeneRuss Ars ex Discordia	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:50:00 - [32] I was 10 seconds away from posting the exact same OP.
Coddity	Posted - 2008.08.07 22:07:00 - [33] Originally by: Iraf Thaiberd Originally by: Aleus Stygian This is not WoW. not yet! I support the OP's idea to just get it over with.
Volir 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.07 22:57:00 - [34] I support this as a short term milestone in a long term project. I think we should be able to play an instanced eve. That way we can setup duling games, conquest games, racing games, and others. It would be great to earn isk in our private instances and then compete in the other instances we enjoy. Trading could be down in a shopping instance where there is a worldwide market or maybe through a Jita channel. This would solve all the problems of griefers, exploiters, and large bully alliances controlling all of 0.0 . CCP could then get really creative with new instance designs, like Eve universes that had different rules or extended epic missions.
Nekopyat	Posted - 2008.08.08 01:21:00 - [35] You know, when I think about it.. sure the post is a parody/troll/whatever and the concentual PvP thing is kinda silly given EvE, I could actually see a dueling system to have some value. For comparison I am thinking of the autoduel universe. A game with a pretty harsh backstore.. some protected areas, lots of lawless regions controlled by gangs/corperations/mini-states/etc. One thing the universe had though was both a dualing circuit (vehicles going in had cost limitations and cash prize going out) and, more relavent to this, a 'limited corperate war' system where sure corperations would go fully toe to toe in lawless areas, but there was also a system in place that they could utitilize a regulated limited war framework enforced by the strong police areas. You set parameters (number and value of units), victory conditions, and what was at stake (switch control of a territory, resource transfer, etc etc). Right now it's just sorta 'war or no war', at least from a game mechanic perspective.
Joey Meow MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES	Posted - 2008.08.08 01:46:00 - [36] Nope. Silly Goon, EVE is for big kids. Another attempt by Goons to subvert the nature of EVE, he knows it is an asinine idea, but he would push it, just to see what happens.
Herschel Yamamoto Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2008.08.08 02:55:00 - [37] Originally by: Nekopyat You know, when I think about it.. sure the post is a parody/troll/whatever and the concentual PvP thing is kinda silly given EvE, I could actually see a dueling system to have some value. For comparison I am thinking of the autoduel universe. A game with a pretty harsh backstore.. some protected areas, lots of lawless regions controlled by gangs/corperations/mini-states/etc. One thing the universe had though was both a dualing circuit (vehicles going in had cost limitations and cash prize going out) and, more relavent to this, a 'limited corperate war' system where sure corperations would go fully toe to toe in lawless areas, but there was also a system in place that they could utitilize a regulated limited war framework enforced by the strong police areas. You set parameters (number and value of units), victory conditions, and what was at stake (switch control of a territory, resource transfer, etc etc). Right now it's just sorta 'war or no war', at least from a game mechanic perspective. We have a dueling system. You want to fight consentual PvP with a non-corpie(or NPC corpie) in highsec, drop a can with one unit of something worthless in it - ammo, a spare trit you keep on hand for the purpose, whatever. Steal it, thief drops it, you steal it back, and you both have 15 minute timers on each other. It's not perfect, but it's pretty good. Failing that, fire up Singularity(especially if you like the OP's crazy "No ship death" bit). ------------------ Fix the forums!
Mu Yaling Greatly Reducing Inflation Every Fight	Posted - 2008.08.08 03:40:00 - [38] may as well get it over with devs dont have the balls to admit it.. but yeahs thats whats going on
Nekopyat	Posted - 2008.08.08 03:49:00 - [39] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto We have a dueling system. You want to fight consentual PvP with a non-corpie(or NPC corpie) in highsec, drop a can with one unit of something worthless in it - ammo, a spare trit you keep on hand for the purpose, whatever. Steal it, thief drops it, you steal it back, and you both have 15 minute timers on each other. It's not perfect, but it's pretty good. Failing that, fire up Singularity(especially if you like the OP's crazy "No ship death" bit). nod quite true, players have found a way to do it. And I'm not saying a contract-like system would be worth the development effort, I am just saying I could see some value to it.
Penchance	Posted - 2008.08.08 08:17:00 - [40] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto [We have a dueling system. You want to fight consentual PvP with a non-corpie(or NPC corpie) in highsec, drop a can with one unit of something worthless in it - ammo, a spare trit you keep on hand for the purpose, whatever. Steal it, thief drops it, you steal it back, and you both have 15 minute timers on each other. It's not perfect, but it's pretty good. Failing that, fire up Singularity(especially if you like the OP's crazy "No ship death" bit). Certainly that is a solution, but it isn't terribly elegant. A formal dueling system would be nice but it's definitely not a priority. Penchance: CEO and great perish of battleships
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.08.08 10:38:00 - [41] I support this idea. Most of the hate and frustration we see on the forums daily is because people are confused over what the hell this game is. Clear delineations like the OP proposes would stop all this subterfuge and sneky shit CCP are drip drip driping in - and eveyone would know where they stand SKUNK
Boohoomoar	Posted - 2008.08.08 10:59:00 - [42] Edited by: Boohoomoar on 08/08/2008 11:00:46 20 Goons managed to create such a shit storm by suiciding Hulks for a few months that the forums were awash with complaints and we got a nerf to suicide ganking. Goons have the power to change Eve. Supporting this.
I SoStoned	Posted - 2008.08.08 12:02:00 - [43] AHhh ha ha ha ROFL! I just read the title... giggle NOT.
Calvin Pax Warped Mining	Posted - 2008.08.08 12:29:00 - [44] Yes finally a good idea ! But just one more change maybee.. Can¦t we also have the opertunity to press the non-PvP button DURING a fight ?? For exampel I say yes to a PvP fight but during this I see that my ship starts taking hits and I¦m down to structure. So I can now press the No-I-Don¦t-want-to PvP- button and see Concord kill my opponentin and save my ship !!
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.08.08 15:03:00 - [45] Originally by: Calvin Pax Yes finally a good idea ! But just one more change maybee.. Can¦t we also have the opertunity to press the non-PvP button DURING a fight ?? For exampel I say yes to a PvP fight but during this I see that my ship starts taking hits and I¦m down to structure. So I can now press the No-I-Don¦t-want-to PvP- button and see Concord kill my opponentin and save my ship !! Too complicated. A better idea would be to automatically stop all fights when you reach 1% stucture. You are then teleported back to the closest station with your damaged ship and can either rep the ship at the station spending a bit of isk, or you can fly in your pod to the place where you lost the fight and pick up your ship there. In that case, the ship you pick up would be whole again, with no need for repairs. I think this would bring more people into PvP.
Nekopyat	Posted - 2008.08.08 15:12:00 - [46] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Too complicated. A better idea would be to automatically stop all fights when you reach 1% stucture. You are then teleported back to the closest station with your damaged ship and can either rep the ship at the station spending a bit of isk, or you can fly in your pod to the place where you lost the fight and pick up your ship there. In that case, the ship you pick up would be whole again, with no need for repairs. I think this would bring more people into PvP. You know, if the ship could be stolen in it's 1% state while the looser is podding around, I would actually be in favor of this ^_^ I've always thought EvE could use a real salvage system where you could obtain heavily damaged but otherwise intact prize ships.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.08.08 15:48:00 - [47] Originally by: Nekopyat You know, if the ship could be stolen in it's 1% state while the looser is podding around, I would actually be in favor of this ^_^ I've always thought EvE could use a real salvage system where you could obtain heavily damaged but otherwise intact prize ships. No. It shouldn't be allowed to be stolen. CONCORD should protect the ship and blow anyone approaching it up.
Traidor Disloyal NightCrew	Posted - 2008.08.08 16:39:00 - [48] Edited by: Traidor Disloyal on 08/08/2008 16:39:27 Originally by: Toman Jerich This is pretty simple change. Everyone in high-sec space should be un-attackable by default, UNLESS they intentionally flag themselves for PVP. High-Sec also needs a dueling mode so that you can fight your friends without flagging for general PVP. I stopped reading right here. I don't care what the rest of your post says. I stopped playing WoW a long time ago and do not wish to play WoW In Space. --------------------------------------------- Love is having a second account with a cov ops pilot
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.08.08 16:42:00 - [49] Originally by: Traidor Disloyal I stopped reading right here. I don't care what the rest of your post says. I stopped playing WoW a long time ago and do not wish to play WoW In Space. Then you missed the obvious hilarity that a sarcastic troll post can ensue. Check my post at the top of this page. We're Recruiting!
Traidor Disloyal NightCrew	Posted - 2008.08.08 16:47:00 - [50] Originally by: Tchell Dahhn Originally by: Traidor Disloyal I stopped reading right here. I don't care what the rest of your post says. I stopped playing WoW a long time ago and do not wish to play WoW In Space. Then you missed the obvious hilarity that a sarcastic troll post can ensue. Check my post at the top of this page. You misunderstand. This may be a joke post but it still ****es me off when anyone even talks about this pvp flagging in high sec. Why? Because some moron on the CSM panel will run with it because they will think it is a real good idea. --------------------------------------------- Love is having a second account with a cov ops pilot
Herschel Yamamoto Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2008.08.08 16:59:00 - [51] Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Originally by: Tchell Dahhn Originally by: Traidor Disloyal I stopped reading right here. I don't care what the rest of your post says. I stopped playing WoW a long time ago and do not wish to play WoW In Space. Then you missed the obvious hilarity that a sarcastic troll post can ensue. Check my post at the top of this page. You misunderstand. This may be a joke post but it still ****es me off when anyone even talks about this pvp flagging in high sec. Why? Because some moron on the CSM panel will run with it because they will think it is a real good idea. I don't think the CSM has brought forward a parody thread yet. Even Ank, epic carebear that she is, hasn't yet posted in favour of this thread, and I don't expect that she will. Give them at least a tiny amount of credit. ------------------ Fix the forums!
Nekopyat	Posted - 2008.08.08 19:55:00 - [52] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette No. It shouldn't be allowed to be stolen. CONCORD should protect the ship and blow anyone approaching it up. At which point during the next x.1 nerf patch CCP repurposes the snowball launchers into CONCORD repellant.
Ged Gollas	Posted - 2008.08.08 19:57:00 - [53] Not supported. In real life, you could be walking down the street in the middle of the day, downtown New York and someone can still shoot you dead and probably get away with it - and you didn't opt-in! Empire space is no different.
Jastra Gallente Black Thorne Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.08 20:04:00 - [54] where is the "I do not support this idea" radio button ?
Foulque	Posted - 2008.08.08 20:13:00 - [55] Originally by: Jastra where is the "I do not support this idea" radio button ?
Val Sharen Caldari Heretic Logistics	Posted - 2008.08.10 23:34:00 - [56] No. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] Applebabe
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.08.11 01:06:00 - [57] w00t just what I always wanted!!!!! if you want to play eve in a "cold and dark universe" go to 0.0 with the other greifers!!!!
Flaming Lemming Caldari Puppeteer Press	Posted - 2008.08.11 03:11:00 - [58] Can't decide if this is pure sarcasm, or a poorly veiled whine. Either way, entertaining thread, dumbass idea.
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.08.11 04:58:00 - [59] There are people taking this seriously, and posting real agreement. Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
Devian 666 Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.11 05:01:00 - [60] Just change deadspace gear to a purple colour and add a customisable game interface then the conversion is complete. http://obeythekitten.com/
Artemis Rose Odd End of the Universe	Posted - 2008.08.11 05:48:00 - [61] Oh my, solutions to all our problems are contained in this thread! __________________________________________________ Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine. WTB Purple Nerf Bat.
Boohoomoar	Posted - 2008.08.11 10:17:00 - [62] Edited by: Boohoomoar on 11/08/2008 10:17:21 Edited by: Boohoomoar on 11/08/2008 10:17:03 Supporting this thread because I know it will upset a lot of other players supporting equally stupid ideas and to prove I can be a selfish tit as well.
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.08.11 15:06:00 - [63] NO just NO /backhand hell no implementing this idea would make wars in high sec dissapear, since 90% of targets dont want to fight would take away our current tool against Macro Miners would remove the suicide gankers from a job of removing ******ed freighter pilots who are afk'ing with 10billion in cargo --- while i do support the new suicide gank "nerf"(if you can call it that) it will still be possible to suicide gank those idiot pilots and dueling mode? WTF?!?! if they are your genuine frineds, you can steal from each other's cans, and if they are inthe same corp, they can fight anyway get out, just get out /backhand
Toman Jerich Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.11 17:12:00 - [64] You should support this idea. /backhand By the way, you're pretty stupid.
MarleWH Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire	Posted - 2008.08.11 20:04:00 - [65] I wish this wasn't eve to, but I am afraid it is.

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