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Firebyrd
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Posted - 2004.06.01 11:37:00 -
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Could someone please explain what your idea of Strip mining is?
Also i have seen in different threads talk about dev changes to strip mining, but have not seen that in any blogs, could someone point me to where i can read about their proposed changes.
as when i mine i find that Veld actually brings in faster and more cash then the other minerals, so i mainly pull Veld.
But i start at 1 end of the field and work my way in pulling everything.... so i dont believe i strip mine, but i'd apreciate anyones idea of what strip mining is....ty
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Posted - 2004.06.01 12:26:00 -
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I dont like strip miners, thay are bad for the smaller corps and freelancers. When i mine i always leave some ore of each type remaining for the next guy.
However, because some people like it then my thought is that it should stay in 0.8+ or 0.4> security...
But who is going to listen to me anyway?
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.06.01 12:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Firebyrd
But i start at 1 end of the field and work my way in pulling everything.... so i dont believe i strip mine, but i'd apreciate anyones idea of what strip mining is....ty
I'm not a dedicated miner but have been known to do this and as far as I know, this is what is referred to as strip mining.
Leaving a completely empty belt behind. In other words stripped bare of ore. Naked.
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Oosel
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Posted - 2004.06.01 12:36:00 -
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i agree with you firebyrd....when we mine we mine everything in site in the one belt and then on to the next we never cherry pick...one thing thats always bothered me though does anything you mine in empire space then respawn in empire space or is this not the case if its also being reseeded in non empire space i can imagine massive roids out there...we mine 0.1-0.6 and we mine everything then find another place and we were led to beleive what we are doing is ok because as we mine it out it then respawns in another location thereby making sure you keep on the move and as somebody else mines in another location the one we mined outwould then get a reseeding via their actions
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Firebyrd
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Posted - 2004.06.01 12:39:00 -
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ok i was not aware that was strip mining, i came from EnB, and there alot of times u had more then 1 type of ore in a rock, and strip miniming was removing the valuble ore and leaving behind garbage.
So i thought Strip ming was for example, pulling all the Kernite from a field, and leaving ever thing else behind
i'm in a cruiser with 385 M3 storage, so i dont strip mine in what u guys consider strip mine, because i have never cleared a field....
but i apreciate the replys
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Demangel
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Posted - 2004.06.01 12:48:00 -
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uhm... General speaking:
Strip mining: Sucking in all of the ore in an entire belt (sometimes considered strip mining for sucking in ALL the ore of a given type in a belt).
Other use: Having a BS or group of BS's parked in high sec space gorging themselves on low end ore, leaving little if any left for the newbs.
So for example sucking down all the veldspar leaving none left, might make some people call you a strip miner.
Also, Veld is pretty worthless... If your in high sec do Plagioclaise, if your in low sec look for kernite or one of the "H" roids (hedbergite, Hemorphite), Jaspet is an ok alternative to Kernite as well.
though it all depends on the market in your local mining area (or wheever your willing to haul too), I have never seen plag worth less per M3 of mining time than Veld. Check out EVE-I ore calculator to see how much ISK you make per M3 of ore while you mine based on default prices. You will see Something like Kernite for example is worth roughly 51 ISK per M3. naturaly with different market prices all over, some high and some low, this will be less, but chances are it will be worth much more than anything high sec can offer.
Naturaly if you can't get to low sec due to your lack of a good ship, then mine what you can.
To be honest strip mining isn't a bad idea if you can do it, sure it's sucky and cheap in some cases, but if you look at the value of the entire belt it can be worthwhile to strip mine it rather than mine all the ore of one type out. Especialy if your trying to save up minerals for something.
But if it's pure IsK for time your worried about plag is the better high sec ore... followed by Kernite/jaspet, and the H ores in very low sec (.1, .2).
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.06.01 12:49:00 -
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The naked belt will start to grow balls (new asteroids) a day or three after being completely emptied. They begin as "baby roids" which contain very little amount of ore but it gradually grows so a few weeks after stripping a belt you can return and get down and dirty again.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2004.06.01 12:52:00 -
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I'll be honest, I stripmine (park near a wad of roids, melt them all and haul it). However I have the decency to not do it in areas where a lot of new players are going to be trying to scrap together a living, or I do it in a sector with a ton of belts. I also stick to one belt at a time, not moving around through them all and pulling all the omber, for example.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.06.01 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Demangel
Also, Veld is pretty worthless... If your in high sec do Plagioclaise
You're a combat guy, aren't you? 
Due to the low price of mexallon and high price of trit (compared to their original NPC marks), plag is actually worth fractionally less than veldspar at this time. By far the best low-end ore is scordite; everyone seems to need pyerite nowadays.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.06.01 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Firebyrd
i'm in a cruiser with 385 M3 storage, so i dont strip mine in what u guys consider strip mine, because i have never cleared a field....
You have little to worry about. When people are fulminating on this subject, it's not the one guy in a thorax patiently working his way along the belt; it's the huge corp that brings in 20 battleships all carrying 7-8 mining lasers, plus half a dozen haulers to carry, and wipe out the belt completely in less than an hour.
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Arianda Knowles
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Posted - 2004.06.01 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Firebyrd
i'm in a cruiser with 385 M3 storage, so i dont strip mine in what u guys consider strip mine, because i have never cleared a field....
You have little to worry about. When people are fulminating on this subject, it's not the one guy in a thorax patiently working his way along the belt; it's the huge corp that brings in 20 battleships all carrying 7-8 mining lasers, plus half a dozen haulers to carry, and wipe out the belt completely in less than an hour.
My main beef with stripmining is still the ease of automating the entire process.I can give a few examples of entire corps who ran 10-20 man strong macro stripmined operations, with 8-14 apocs and the rest in haulers.
Strip mining = Ebay machine if you find a quiet system.The chances of getting caught are little to none. 
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2004.06.01 14:10:00 -
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strip mining is when a corp unleashes its nan0-ants onto a whole systems asteroid belts
they steal ALL the ore and roids and put it into the corp hanger for you
then the system has no roids left at all
thats strip mining
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Andrue
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Posted - 2004.06.01 14:40:00 -
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Velspar is not worth more to mine than anything else - the exact opposite. Just because you get more units per suck of the laser doesn't mean you get more money.
To determine the value of ore you should take the price per unit and divide that by the volume. Example:
Veldspar = 1 Isk per unit. Volume is 0.1. Value is 10 Isk per cubic metre.
That will give you the price per cubic metre and that's what matters because your mining laser yield is a fixed volume per minute.
In most regions you will probably earn Isk three times as fast if you mine Scordite than if you were to mine Veldspar. Pyroxeres and Scordite make an interesting example (in so far as anything relating to mining is interesting :) ) because although the price per unit of Pyroxeres is double that of Scordite the volume is also double so it cancels out. Pyroxeres is usually worth a bit more but only about 10% at most I think.
A rough estimate of the relative worth of ores is to compare their position in the alphabet. The closer to the start of the alphabet an ore is the more it is worth. Sometimes as with Pyroxeres and Scordite there is little or nothing in it.
Of course this is monetary value. If you are mining to build then value can take on another meaning. If you need to build a battleship then Scordite should be mined in preference to Puroxeres and if you are about to start a war then Veldspar because valuable for those poor sods who use ammo 
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2004.06.01 14:43:00 -
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why all the talk of macros?
a decent corp can strip mine a system in 2 days with everyone taking part...
macros are for sploiters
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Taz Fern
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Posted - 2004.06.01 14:47:00 -
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At 1 isk Veld is the worst but it is going for nearly 4isk in a lot of places now so is surely competitive ?
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2004.06.01 15:09:00 -
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you sell yah mins? you dont build em into stuff?
how quaint!
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Synex
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Posted - 2004.06.01 16:26:00 -
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I ALWAYS first take off all my clothes before mining, I therefore, strip-mine...
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Demangel
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Posted - 2004.06.01 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Demangel
Also, Veld is pretty worthless... If your in high sec do Plagioclaise
You're a combat guy, aren't you?
Due to the low price of mexallon and high price of trit (compared to their original NPC marks), plag is actually worth fractionally less than veldspar at this time. By far the best low-end ore is scordite; everyone seems to need pyerite nowadays.
*sobs* yes... yes I am... *hides face in shame*
I don't really mine so much anymore... But I still stand by what I said, maybe it's not plag anymore, but veld is teh suck ;)
Kernite (if you can find it) is worth a LOT LOT more per M3, even with deflated prices... If you can find a buyer interested in the mex and isogen, remotely near NPC prices (say 50ish ISK or more for iso, 10-14 for mex), you will swear off veldspar very quickly.
And I know Kernite is getting hard to find it seems, but I just mined some not long ago in .6 space (was in the mood to just stare at a roid for nostalgic reasons). This was after the aparent roid respawn problems started that we have been supposedly having... So I can promise you, its out there.... you just need to go off the beaten path and go where the highest player population ISN'T.
If you do that, you will find it.
Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you
Demangel > Dude... I would call..
Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet.
Galaxion > Just a bit.
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Bsport
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Posted - 2004.06.02 14:42:00 -
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last night i worked out how much i can make in a hour mining ore found in empire scord came top!
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Posted - 2004.06.02 14:53:00 -
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I have no problem with so called 'strip mining'. Usually it's a corp doing their thing, which means it aint just for one person. Anything that pushes new players out of the starting system and into some slightly lower sec systems is a good thing. It teaches them some valuable lessons while they have little to lose. And let's face reality, there are simply loads of systems 0.7 and up. None of these are really that difficult, even for a brand new player in their starter ship!
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Pesadilla
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Posted - 2004.06.02 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue
Velspar is not worth more to mine than anything else - the exact opposite. Just because you get more units per suck of the laser doesn't mean you get more money.
To determine the value of ore you should take the price per unit and divide that by the volume. Example:
Veldspar = 1 Isk per unit. Volume is 0.1. Value is 10 Isk per cubic metre.
That will give you the price per cubic metre and that's what matters because your mining laser yield is a fixed volume per minute.
In most regions you will probably earn Isk three times as fast if you mine Scordite than if you were to mine Veldspar. Pyroxeres and Scordite make an interesting example (in so far as anything relating to mining is interesting :) ) because although the price per unit of Pyroxeres is double that of Scordite the volume is also double so it cancels out. Pyroxeres is usually worth a bit more but only about 10% at most I think.
A rough estimate of the relative worth of ores is to compare their position in the alphabet. The closer to the start of the alphabet an ore is the more it is worth. Sometimes as with Pyroxeres and Scordite there is little or nothing in it.
Of course this is monetary value. If you are mining to build then value can take on another meaning. If you need to build a battleship then Scordite should be mined in preference to Puroxeres and if you are about to start a war then Veldspar because valuable for those poor sods who use ammo
if mineral prices r still about the same now as when i last visited empire, a 5/5 apoc miner should get ~ that per hour
Veld 2.3 mil
Scor 2.9 mil
Pyro 2.6 mil
Plag 1.9 mil
Omber 3 mil
Kernite 2.8 mil
Jaspet 3.5 mil
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Bohr
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Posted - 2004.06.02 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue
Velspar is not worth more to mine than anything else - the exact opposite. Just because you get more units per suck of the laser doesn't mean you get more money.
To determine the value of ore you should take the price per unit and divide that by the volume. Example:
Veldspar = 1 Isk per unit. Volume is 0.1. Value is 10 Isk per cubic metre.
Yes, that is how you determine value of ore per m¦. But, 1 unit of veld refines into 3.3 trit, making each unit worth (at 1.8 pr unit of trit) 5.94 isk. Multiply by ten to get price pr m¦.
Due to low prices on iso, and especially pyer, plag is now a worse ore than veld.
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EvilDoomer
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Posted - 2004.06.02 21:39:00 -
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I dont think there is anything wrong with a corp coming into a belt and mining everything.
There is plenty of belts all over to mine.
Thanks
EvilDoomer
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John McCreedy
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Posted - 2004.06.02 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Firebyrd
Could someone please explain what your idea of Strip mining is?
Mining whilst removing all your clothes
Make a difference
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IonHammer
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Posted - 2004.06.02 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: bUBbLeS
strip mining is when a corp unleashes its nan0-ants onto a whole systems asteroid belts
they steal ALL the ore and roids and put it into the corp hanger for you
then the system has no roids left at all
thats strip mining
we have done that a few times, taken a few days with big groups when we needed to make a lot of stuf.
Interestingly the systems that we stripped 0.6 and below were much better from it a month later. That is the roids and the distribution was better. Often selective mining can really screw up a belt as all you get is big veld roids and ****y scord, plag, pyro, kernite, jap ect.
Theres nothing like the feeling of visiting 15-20 belts in a system and nothing is there and know that you did that.
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