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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:27:00 -
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Galatica789 wrote:Damar posted on my 1 thread, My life....is complete. Mutnin what are you talking about? WT?!?! I dont see you in Amarr Mitlia....
That's because you don't know my Amarr Militia alt.. |
Womyn Power
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2012.03.26 01:51:00 -
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There's a reason most people have moved on from FW in general. As it exist it's a broken, boring system filled with bittervets who either can't handle nullsec (eve npc null) or don't have the logistics for it.
As far as the posturing made by non-caldari FW corps against the state of recent and former caldari fw pvp, I can only lol. |
Wolfsdragoon
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.26 03:11:00 -
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Caldari militia can field the fleets if they wanted to, during my 2 week stint with Cal mil in Piranha we organized this bit Caldari armor fleet lolz (entire fleet not shown, but you get the idea, not bragging about the kill just look at the ships on the mail).
Was a very fun fleet IMO, and although piranha members are taking a break to pursue some other interests I don't see why cal militia can't field more fleets like that. I had the opportunity to be in fleet with multiple different cal militia FCs, and there are a few I think could run this kind of stuff regularly.
Caldari militia were all really nice to work with, and all listened to my urges for particular fits etc, but IMO there is one thing that is holding caldari militia back. The mindset is terrible. The stigma of fail militia, and to show a few quotes from the militia "we need every swinging **** we can get", and "as long as they bring something, it's fine". These ideas have got to change, people have got to get some confidence and standardize their doctrine, and get some FCs that are willing to risk wiping a fleet.
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Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
156
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Posted - 2012.03.26 05:39:00 -
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Wolfsdragoon wrote:The fight I'm talking about is the one lockout posted on the first page of this, he also mentions we didn't have the brains to field a neut BS. Admittedly we should have had one, and in fact we sent out a mail the next day detailing fits for neut BS so that the next time we'd be ready.
Frankly we should have just blueballed the whole thing since it was usual example of capital dropped on random roaming small gang and I am quite sure wt's had more capitals/logi ready for deployment in case of derping anyway. Fighting this way merely rewards the lazy people who appear in this thread and moan "Can't be arsed to undock, there are not billions worth of ships at stake". |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:12:00 -
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Wolfsdragoon wrote:Caldari militia can field the fleets if they wanted to, during my 2 week stint with Cal mil in Piranha we organized this bit Caldari armor fleet lolz (entire fleet not shown, but you get the idea, not bragging about the kill just look at the ships on the mail). I believe I sent Mjolnir Gost and other cal mil FCs a TON of mails detailing fittings of all different kinds of fleets. From AHAC/CS/T3 armor to shield BS, Kiting t3 shields, triage fleet BS and so on. Cal mil has the pilots for all of them, it is just a matter of getting their members in the ship and trying them out.
We have ran large Logi supported gangs in the past and fought head to head and even out blobbed Gals in the past. It's not that Caldari "can't" do it., I just don't think there is a lot of desire to do it at the moment.
http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10009811 http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9965318 http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9932373
Do you have any idea how often we used to get "blue balled" by Gallentte when they would run back to Heyidlies to "reship"? It was pretty much every damn time we took out a gang. This was the typical way it happened.
1: Gals would show to Enaluri with large gang wanting fights, they claimed. 2: Caldari would form up gang to fight them. 3. Gallente didn't like said gang and Caldari would chase them back to Heyidlies. 4. Gallente would spend 30-45 mins trying to come up with perfect counter for our gang or try to get ******** numbers. 5. Fight either finally happened or we got blue balled, 9 out of 10 times Gallente wouldn't fight with out being 2 to 3 jumps away from their home system and it was almost always us that had to jump into them.
While I do admit Caldari is a little too focused on doing small gang stuff at the moment and we really should do some larger gangs more often, it's just I think most FC's ended up getting burned out and extremely bored with having to go through the same exact procedure to get a fight with Gallentte almost every day.
Admittedly, Caldari should have just kept forming up our gangs and just went off to look for other targets when Gallente would do the whole blue ball procedure. We should of just told them to F off and head to null sec or something looking for a fight.
Added to this we had a few of the good FC's burn out/stop logging in and at the time, there were a few real emo types that tried to take over the Militia and would ***** and moan on coms, non stop if we lost a fight. I remember several times these same small group from the same corp were calling various guys spys and belittling them on coms, if someone made a mistake. (those guys have since moved on)
I think that was finally what broke the camels back as people were no longer joining the larger gangs and we eventually just stopped running them as much of Caldari simply went AFK. |
Wolfsdragoon
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:27:00 -
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Yeah but you know as well as anyone else you don't just have to fight gallente. Like you said null sec, or there are lots of pies in the area. Also, based on the killmails you linked there is a consistent theme in fleet type (random armor ships is strange though). I can see how it would get boring really quick due to that as well.
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:57:00 -
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Wolfsdragoon wrote:Yeah but you know as well as anyone else you don't just have to fight gallente. Like you said null sec, or there are lots of pies in the area. Also, based on the killmails you linked there is a consistent theme in fleet type (random armor ships is strange though). I can see how it would get boring really quick due to that as well.
Well yea that was the funny part about gals always running back to "reship". It's not like we really ever changed our gangs up much. Our FC's wanted to run Nanno BC's so we used Drakes & Hurricanes with logi/ew support. The random Apoc's in few of those links were just a bit of testing to see how well Shield Tanked Pulsepocs would work in support of the Drakes as at the time Gals were starting to fly a lot of Drakes as well. (also BR's could have some other random kills in them)
For the most part, we used Nanno BC's because they worked and were the best counter to Gals always wanting to run Armor BS. Quite simply as Caldari I think it was just harder to form up Armor BS gangs and we surly weren't going to field a gang of 20 Ravens (although that might be funny to see).
As far as flying expensive stuff like Hacs & t3's.. Honestly man at the time we had a meat grinder going on and guys on both sides lost a lot of ships, so it would of been hard to keep up the fighting for both sides had we all been tossing away a lot of T2 or T3 hulls everyday.
I think it was mostly the four horsemen guys that were responsible for us fielding our gangs at the time, aside from maybe a random guy/group here or there. They were the most organized corp at the time and had the most active players/FC's. I think as Caldari Militia started getting inactive they also suffered the same and since there really hasn't been any other well organized corps to step up to the plate as our the Cal Militia corps seem to want to do their own thing atm.
There was Wolfy & Draketrain of course prior to this but at that time I wasn't really joining any gangs so can't really commit on what went on when they were around. I know Draketrain used to run a lot of big gangs and recruited half the Militia I think lol. Then Wolfy seemed very into their own thing so never really had much experience with them. |
BolsterBomb
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:48:00 -
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You ever think maybe part of your complaints is due to new FCs trying to learn and get crap together. Its easier to fly a ship then lead a fleet.
FC has to learn to get the right person on intel duty (which takes learning in of itself)
FC has to learn to balance all the various directional risk
FC has to be able to quickly figure out what we can and cant take
FC has to be able to learn to run quickly if needed.
It takes time and when an FC screws up it does blow the morale of the FC not just the members. I made a bad call this weekend and the last thing I wanted to do was take another fleet out. Knowing you made the bad call that got your buddies dead is not fun. Hence why we have been flying smaller stuff. The reprucusion of dying isnt felt as hard. Lt. Colonel of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
174
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:41:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:
Added to this we had a few of the good FC's burn out/stop logging in and at the time, there were a few real emo types that tried to take over the Militia and would ***** and moan on coms, non stop if we lost a fight. I remember several times these same small group from the same corp were calling various guys spys and belittling them on coms, if someone made a mistake. (those guys have since moved on)
Pretty sure you're talking about primer raging at beshnu, right? |
Wolfsdragoon
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:58:00 -
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Quote:
For the most part, we used Nanno BC's because they worked and were the best counter to Gals always wanting to run Armor BS. Quite simply as Caldari I think it was just harder to form up Armor BS gangs and we surly weren't going to field a gang of 20 Ravens (although that might be funny to see).
As far as flying expensive stuff like Hacs & t3's.. Honestly man at the time we had a meat grinder going on and guys on both sides lost a lot of ships, so it would of been hard to keep up the fighting for both sides had we all been tossing away a lot of T2 or T3 hulls everyday.
But that seems more like a misunderstanding of why someone would want to ship up to a t2 or t3 hull in the first place. Bolster I'm not complaining, those were just some observations and some advice for what I think cal mil needs to do in order to be respected again on a larger scale fleet level.
That's also why I said cal mil needs FCs that aren't afraid to screw up and get their fleet kills, it happens, learn from it and improve. I wouldn't suggest for new FCs to start with t2 and t3 hulls, but I mentioned effectiveness of even basic low # logi + properly (key there is properly) fit BC hulls.
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:23:00 -
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Wolfsdragoon wrote:Quote:
For the most part, we used Nanno BC's because they worked and were the best counter to Gals always wanting to run Armor BS. Quite simply as Caldari I think it was just harder to form up Armor BS gangs and we surly weren't going to field a gang of 20 Ravens (although that might be funny to see).
As far as flying expensive stuff like Hacs & t3's.. Honestly man at the time we had a meat grinder going on and guys on both sides lost a lot of ships, so it would of been hard to keep up the fighting for both sides had we all been tossing away a lot of T2 or T3 hulls everyday.
But that seems more like a misunderstanding of why someone would want to ship up to a t2 or t3 hull in the first place. Bolster I'm not complaining, those were just some observations and some advice for what I think cal mil needs to do in order to be respected again on a larger scale fleet level. That's also why I said cal mil needs FCs that aren't afraid to screw up and get their fleet kills, it happens, learn from it and improve. I wouldn't suggest for new FCs to start with t2 and t3 hulls, but I mentioned effectiveness of even basic low # logi + properly (key there is properly) fit BC hulls.
lol GL with that.. I was in a bunker busting fleet when we took Intaki the first go round a month or two ago and we were moving ships down by Deven. Along the way we ran into some pie gang and as we sat on the gate someone asked.. "so who's FCing" (because the FC had gone afk and docked.
Well mistakenly I said I'll do it.. pretty much about 30 seconds b4 the pies jumped in.. We killed one had a 2nd just about dead, lost 1 BC & a few frigs and you should of heard the emo in the middle of the fight mind you that.. OMG they are nanno we are all gonna die..
After that I decided not to FC Militia gang so just do gangs, because anytime I've ever tried it's like trying to herd a bunch of tarded kittens.. (not even cute kittens). I'd rather take brand new noobs that will actually listen and fly fits that the gang needs, than take out guys that wont fit what you need and ***** and moan in the middle of a fight.. |
Wolfsdragoon
Snuff Box
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:24:00 -
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I can agree with you, I did make it clear to other corps that were roaming with my fleets I only wanted people who knew they could die, would go gcc, and knew their ****. Didn't have any problems with people complaining about losses or pre-fight (I would have honestly just removed them).
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Seraph IX Basarab
Righteous Obsidian Androids of Mayhem
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:40:00 -
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Why don't your leaders get together and set up a time where both sides log on and do official scrim type matches in your system of choice...maybe at least a week or every few days. Then you have that, and everything in between is extra. Honestly as FW you guys shouldn't troll each other and try to be cruel because at the end of the day you shoot yourselves in the foot. You need each other for the pew pew.
My 2 cents. |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
157
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:18:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:Honestly as FW you guys shouldn't troll each other and try to be cruel because at the end of the day you shoot yourselves in the foot. You need each other for the pew pew.
Respecting your enemy with these kind of arrangements is surest way to shoot yourself in the foot.
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ceyriot
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:55:00 -
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So I heard amarr went down and capped a few systems (hint, intaki). Nice to see you're so butthurt about this Not Flyinghotpocket's alt. At all. |
ceyriot
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:56:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:Why don't your leaders get together and set up a time where both sides log on and do official scrim type matches in your system of choice...maybe at least a week or every few days. Then you have that, and everything in between is extra. Honestly as FW you guys shouldn't troll each other and try to be cruel because at the end of the day you shoot yourselves in the foot. You need each other for the pew pew.
My 2 cents. Have you EVER been at war before? I suggest you wardec a PvP corp and try this. See what happens.
Not Flyinghotpocket's alt. At all. |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:56:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:. Honestly as FW you guys shouldn't troll each other and try to be cruel because at the end of the day you shoot yourselves in the foot. You need each other for the pew pew.
My 2 cents.
It's easier for people to argue in public than to seek agreement in private.
But yes, the constant flamebaiting and trolling on both sides can be a turn off to would-be FW applicants. Some of them would rather go to Minmatar/Amarr side where the forum smack is rather light. Couldn't blame them. . |
Seraph IX Basarab
Righteous Obsidian Androids of Mayhem
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:49:00 -
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Damar Rocarion wrote:Seraph IX Basarab wrote:Honestly as FW you guys shouldn't troll each other and try to be cruel because at the end of the day you shoot yourselves in the foot. You need each other for the pew pew. Respecting your enemy with these kind of arrangements is surest way to shoot yourself in the foot.
Why? Just agree to a time together. "PVP in system X at time Y. Show up!"
ceyriot wrote:Seraph IX Basarab wrote:Why don't your leaders get together and set up a time where both sides log on and do official scrim type matches in your system of choice...maybe at least a week or every few days. Then you have that, and everything in between is extra. Honestly as FW you guys shouldn't troll each other and try to be cruel because at the end of the day you shoot yourselves in the foot. You need each other for the pew pew.
My 2 cents. Have you EVER been at war before? I suggest you wardec a PvP corp and try this. See what happens.
It's a game. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:05:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:Why don't your leaders get together and set up a time where both sides log on and do official scrim type matches in your system of choice...maybe at least a week or every few days. Then you have that, and everything in between is extra. Honestly as FW you guys shouldn't troll each other and try to be cruel because at the end of the day you shoot yourselves in the foot. You need each other for the pew pew.
My 2 cents.
This could never happen.. Gallente smack talk is weak and unimaginative, while Caldari's is cunning and witty. Gallente smack talk makes the guys whom say "you mad bro?" look intelligent & original. We simply could never have any GF agreements with these kind of lower than average smacking standards.
It would just never work and we would have to let them down easy with the "it's not you it's me" speech.
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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
180
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:14:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:Seraph IX Basarab wrote:. Honestly as FW you guys shouldn't troll each other and try to be cruel because at the end of the day you shoot yourselves in the foot. You need each other for the pew pew.
My 2 cents. It's easier for people to argue in public and seek the approval of many than to converse in private and seek the approval of one. But yes, the constant flamebaiting and trolling on both sides can be a turn off to would-be FW applicants. Some of them would rather go to Minmatar/Amarr side where the forum smack is rather light. Couldn't blame them.
It's just because the only real W&T lurkers from Min/Amarr are :chillbros: except for Flyinghotpocket and his alt Ceyriot. He is just a self-entitled prick.
~inb4 FHP rage~ Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
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Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
176
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:40:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:
It's just because the only real W&T lurkers from Min/Amarr are :chillbros: except for Flyinghotpocket and his alt Ceyriot.
I loled
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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
185
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:06:00 -
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Super Chair wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:
It's just because the only real W&T lurkers from Min/Amarr are :chillbros: except for Flyinghotpocket and his alt Ceyriot.
I loled
Not sure if sarcastic, but if you ever want to hear why FHP is a massive douche (and how he is a power-tripping egomaniac that backstabs his long-time friends) just contact anyone in AUTOZ in game or PM me. \o/ Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Galatica789
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
32
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:50:00 -
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I concur |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
190
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:54:00 -
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Galatica789 wrote:I concur Gala you know I love you long time, bro. <3 Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
JiZzLoObber
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
4
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:43:00 -
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/me grabs the popcorn, leans back in soft chair.....considers upping the price to rent one or several of the squid corpses in his hanger......
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Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
9
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:44:00 -
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And now Dark-Rising (230 members) joined gal mil . o\ |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
149
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:33:00 -
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Looks like Bolsterbomb has some targets for his fleet on Sunday night! Problem solved. |
Aristeia Cersei
SQUIDS.
5
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:53:00 -
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Lock out wrote:And now Dark-Rising (230 members) joined gal mil . o\
Yey, more glory ***** added to the mix.. Can't wait to see m0ar posts asking why Caldari wont undock BS gangs into the new & improved 10 to 1 odds.. Perhaps you guys can set new record for ninja flipping systems in middle of the night with all their added help. I noticed you guys managed to flip Annancale in less this 6 hours last night maybe now you can do it in 4 or 5 hours. |
Pulgy
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
53
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Posted - 2012.03.30 19:03:00 -
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Aristeia Cersei wrote:Lock out wrote:And now Dark-Rising (230 members) joined gal mil . o\ Yey, more glory ***** added to the mix.. Can't wait to see m0ar posts asking why Caldari wont undock BS gangs into the new & improved 10 to 1 odds.. Perhaps you guys can set new record for ninja flipping systems in middle of the night with all their added help. I noticed you guys managed to flip Annancale in less this 6 hours last night maybe now you can do it in 4 or 5 hours.
k No range? No problem!Join the Church of the Holy BlasterGäó . A Hybrid religion. |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
211
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Posted - 2012.03.30 19:21:00 -
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Aristeia Cersei wrote:Lock out wrote:And now Dark-Rising (230 members) joined gal mil . o\ Yey, more glory ***** added to the mix.. Can't wait to see m0ar posts asking why Caldari wont undock BS gangs into the new & improved 10 to 1 odds.. Perhaps you guys can set new record for ninja flipping systems in middle of the night with all their added help. I noticed you guys managed to flip Annancale in less this 6 hours last night maybe now you can do it in 4 or 5 hours.
Despite the 230 members registered, DR is currently in the rebuilding stage so it's nothing to fear. . |
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