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Lee Majores
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Posted - 2008.08.07 03:21:00 -
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I remember a while back that Veld was the best mineral to mine isk/m3. Is this still the case?
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Xonox Galatorg
Gallente
Pulsar Combat Supplies
Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.08.07 03:55:00 -
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For the most part yes. If you are in an area with kernite that will make you more.
A good ore table to use
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Pulsar Combat Supplies, Director of Production and POS |
Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.08.07 04:42:00 -
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Rough highsec ore prices for 100% refine no tax (will change slightly as mineral prices change)
Type, isk/m3, isk/jetcan
Kernite 101.05 2,778,962.08
Plagioclaise 92.37 2,540,098.67
Scordite 83.67 2,300,976.48
Veldspar 83.18 2,287,537.54
Omber 81.42 2,239,033.50
Pyroxeres 66.35 1,824,739.24
Trit has dropped abit lately so it's not king so much anymore, isogen has risen a little so omber is no longer the 'least' valuable ore. There isn't a huge difference in them all though really.
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Tanis Khan
Minmatar
14th Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.07 10:48:00 -
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Based upon rens prices for minerals a few days ago
Ore - ISK/m3
Veld - 76.88
Scord - 78.17
Pyrox - 61.50
Plagio - 73.91
Omber - 68.86
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Lord Abbadon
Gallente
The Unbeholden
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Posted - 2008.08.07 11:16:00 -
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Sure kernite earns you more than veld, but the kernite roids are so small so you will be moving alot to find them. Hence veld roids are bigger and you dont need moving so you will earn more on veld than kernite. |
Commander Koen
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Posted - 2008.08.07 11:55:00 -
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you maybe right on that there is more veld than kernite. but i think if everyone start mining some different stuff the trit price will rise again, as it wont be mined that much.
just help yourself, mine plagioclase or kernite.
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Sannah Ur
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:05:00 -
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Yeah, good point Koen. It seems that because there's so much trit being mined (I saw some 700M buy orders in Essence be filled up fast) the price has been dropping quite a bit. It has recovered a bit (went from 2.44 to 2.55 in Essence) but I think it's going to continue for a while. So I went from Veld to Plag in order to not add too much to the dropping trit prices myself.
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Lord Abbadon
Gallente
The Unbeholden
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:11:00 -
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Good point koen, but i think since the moon minings trit prices has fallen and most mins are just useless to mine. Is there a solution to the problem since there are people that do want to mine in high sec. High sec mining cant just turn into worthless mins. |
Karanth
Gallente
Eve's Brothers of Destiny
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:15:00 -
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Why should lowends only ever gain in value? Highends get beaten down, and the mins in the middle (Iso and Nocx, that means you) NEVER seem to get love.
Lowends, by virtue of being LOWends, shouldn't be able to easily match the other mins.
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Piotr
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Karanth
Why should lowends only ever gain in value? Highends get beaten down, and the mins in the middle (Iso and Nocx, that means you) NEVER seem to get love.
Lowends, by virtue of being LOWends, shouldn't be able to easily match the other mins.
Have you ever seen the requirements for cap ship parts and t2 items. TONS of low end stuff to make them, so that's why low end reign supreme.
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Sannah Ur
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Posted - 2008.08.07 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Abbadon
Good point koen, but i think since the moon minings trit prices has fallen and most mins are just useless to mine. Is there a solution to the problem since there are people that do want to mine in high sec. High sec mining cant just turn into worthless mins.
It can't, simply because there is a lower bound where it's simply too lucrative to build a ship, insure it, and then blow it up to claim the reward. So the trit prices can never fall below a certain point unless they connect insurance prices to mineral prices.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.08.07 14:07:00 -
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Three years ago trit was selling for 0.85 isk / unit. If anything 2 isk is high, let alone 3+ isk. Pyerite was going for 2.5 isk and Mex for 7 isk. Isogen was 110 isk, and nocx 350 isk (at one stage it got up to 650 isk briefly 2 years ago). Of course the capital age came along and pushed up low end prices, and then the drone regions came along and pushed down iso/nocx/zyd/morphite.
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Count Triton
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Lee Majores
I remember a while back that Veld was the best mineral to mine isk/m3. Is this still the case?
I don't believe it has ever been the best ore to mine out of all ores including 0.0, but a couple of months ago it was the best of the low and high sec options, though it was competing very closely with kernite (high sec) and hedbergite (low sec). At the moment kernite has taken over somewhat with hedbergite higher still, and as the numbers above show it has been surpassed by a few others too, though not by a huge margin, especially when you factor in its abundance.
Tritanium prices were averaging over 3 ISK several months ago, so I imagine Veldspar's lead was greater then. I doubt it ever passed the likes of Gneiss/Dark Ochre though, and certainly not Bistot/Crokite/Arkonor or Mercoxit. |
Freakje
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:02:00 -
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There is an easy list on http://mo.fraek.nl/ if you like to take a look at it.
Registering will give you a full list, current prices are based on Jita.
Here is a list with current prices of high-sec:
1. Fiery Kernite
2. Luminous Kernite
3. Kernite
4. Massive Scordite
5. Dense Veldspar
6. Rich Plagioclase
7. Condensed Scordite
8. Concentrated Veldspar
9. Azure Plagioclase
10. Scordite
11. Veldspar
12. Plagioclase
13. Golden Omber
14. Silvery Omber
15. Viscous Pyroxeres
16. Omber
17. Solid Pyroxeres
18. Pyroxeres
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Karanth
Gallente
Eve's Brothers of Destiny
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.08 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Piotr
Originally by: Karanth
Why should lowends only ever gain in value? Highends get beaten down, and the mins in the middle (Iso and Nocx, that means you) NEVER seem to get love.
Lowends, by virtue of being LOWends, shouldn't be able to easily match the other mins.
Have you ever seen the requirements for cap ship parts and t2 items. TONS of low end stuff to make them, so that's why low end reign supreme.
I am well aware of the mineral requirements. I'm also aware of how insurance works, which is one of the reasons lowends drop when highends rise, and vice versa.
Dodging the question, though, eh?
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Eveet
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Posted - 2008.08.08 13:50:00 -
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everyone is listing high sec stats that differ from my own....
as I am new I dont believe myself right, but if anyone can explain why I am missing it, please enlighten me.
my findings were based on a per yield/per cycle using an osprey with cruiser 3 and 3 XECL Drilling Beam I lasers
based on per yield I figured (average CPU values, not the highest) that per cycle and thus after they were refined
PyroXeres 24043 ISK per yield cycle
Scordite 20272 ISK per yield cycle
Veldspar 20189 ISK per yield cycle
PlagioClase 18710 ISK per yield cycle
am I missing something?
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Aakito
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Posted - 2008.08.08 14:05:00 -
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How much isk/hr can a retriever with 2 strip miners pull in mining veld?
Ive ran some numbers and it aint that much, ~5m.
Seems like chump change given that running L4 missions would require less skill investment in a raven with missiles, and you earn much more. Relatively safe too once you get use to it. Makes no sense unless you want an semi-afk playstyle to mine veld. |
Sysion
Core Research Expedition
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Posted - 2008.08.08 14:46:00 -
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Eveet, what formula did you use for that?
Normally, people figure value in isk/m3 because your yield is based on m3 rather than units of ore, so isk/m3 is universal no matter what your skill level is. isk/hour is then dependent on your skill/yield.
In my own spreadsheet that I use, it is:
Tritanium Price * Tritanium Amount / Batch Size * m3 per unit = value
Then for others that yield multiple ores, it would be
(Trit price * trit amount + Pyerite price * pyerite amount) / batch size * m3 per unit = value
So for Veldspar, with the value I got from Jita, it would be
2.73 * 1000 / 333 * .1 = 81.98 isk/m3
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Eveet
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Posted - 2008.08.08 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sysion
Eveet, what formula did you use for that?
Normally, people figure value in isk/m3 because your yield is based on m3 rather than units of ore, so isk/m3 is universal no matter what your skill level is. isk/hour is then dependent on your skill/yield.
In my own spreadsheet that I use, it is:
Tritanium Price * Tritanium Amount / Batch Size * m3 per unit = value
Then for others that yield multiple ores, it would be
(Trit price * trit amount + Pyerite price * pyerite amount) / batch size * m3 per unit = value
So for Veldspar, with the value I got from Jita, it would be
2.73 * 1000 / 333 * .1 = 81.98 isk/m3
at the time of testing...
Caldari cruiser lvl 3
Osprey with 3 XCEL Drilling Beam I lasers.
per cycle I took in
2484 Veldspar
1655 Scordite
825 Pyroxeres
708 Plagioclase
average prices of mins
trit 2.71
pyerite 4.40
mexallon 23.00
isogen 63.00
nocxium 90.00
these were the values I used when I figured the above ISK/cycle
like I said... due to my lack of knowledge, I am hoping I am missing something....
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Sin inStyle
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Posted - 2008.08.09 02:19:00 -
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Macroes have really gotten out of hand and i blaim this on fallen trit prices honestly. With the recent removal of NPC shuttle sellers trits value should have risen not fallen. Due to the ever mining macros selling at the lowest prices possable most safe space mining has become close to pointless.
Next time your in heimatar look at sellers located in the same system. You will see multiple stations within the same system with exactly the same amount of trit being sold at exactly the same price, 2.49pu. How many players you know that would do this? prolly multiple macro alt sellers in an attempt to hide the mass amounts of isk flow so no flags are thrown over at CCP.
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Korizan
Oort Cloud Industries
Ultionis Quietus
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Posted - 2008.08.09 04:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sin inStyle
Macroes have really gotten out of hand and i blaim this on fallen trit prices honestly. With the recent removal of NPC shuttle sellers trits value should have risen not fallen. Due to the ever mining macros selling at the lowest prices possable most safe space mining has become close to pointless.
Next time your in heimatar look at sellers located in the same system. You will see multiple stations within the same system with exactly the same amount of trit being sold at exactly the same price, 2.49pu. How many players you know that would do this? prolly multiple macro alt sellers in an attempt to hide the mass amounts of isk flow so no flags are thrown over at CCP.
2 years ago 1.89 isk was incredable money for trit,
So don't expect 3.00 to be the new standard.
UNless the capital market picks up again soon.
IF it does then trit will go back to 3.0 but untill then I doubt it.
YOu could always do what my corp decided.
We are no longer selling minerals , just stock piling 
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Karanth
Gallente
Eve's Brothers of Destiny
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.10 08:00:00 -
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I'm in favour of having mineral stockpiles, but then, what do you do to make money instead?
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ImUrDestiny
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.08.10 16:19:00 -
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Stockpiling ftw!
One of last weeks good moments: finding out that 2.145B is the maximum number of Trit you can have in one stack 
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Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.08.10 16:34:00 -
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Edited by: Mankirks Wife on 10/08/2008 16:34:47
You have to watch the markets. Right now Scordite is king where I'm at, followed by Veld and Plag.
Here's a table since I'm feeling generous...
DateTritPyeriteMexallonIsogenZydrineNocxiumMegacyteMorphite
06/15/083.174.1724.863.33094.9600
06/21/083.03-4.62%4.619.54%24.1-2.90%686.87%2302.019939018692.02
06/28/082.91-4.12%4.43-4.06%24-0.42%65.32-4.10%2301.5-0.02%93-6.45%3730.01-4.58%8789.071.10%
07/06/082.8-3.93%4.491.34%23.7-1.27%62.01-5.34%2191-5.04%97.644.75%3950.745.59%9601.118.46%
07/12/082.74-2.19%4.28-4.91%23.42-1.20%64.023.14%2200.110.41%95-2.78%3851.02-2.59%9410.04-2.03%
07/19/082.750.36%4.464.04%23.952.21%62.04-3.19%22140.63%90.01-5.54%3970.033.00%95611.58%
07/26/082.67-3.00%4.08-9.31%22.4-6.92%63.442.21%2232.040.81%955.25%4080.992.72%10503.018.97%
08/02/082.58-3.49%4.294.90%23.012.65%64.21.18%2329.054.17%81.01-17.27%4293.014.94%1250616.02%
08/10/082.611.15%4.484.24%22-4.59%64.50.47%260110.46%96.1615.75%4291-0.05%14751.0115.22%
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