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Proteus Maximus
New Eden Outcasts Malicious Intent Gentleman's Club
61
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Posted - 2012.03.21 11:56:00 -
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Z'aan Pulsar wrote:It's future and all this crap like "new eden" are everywhere in EVE. Much more realistic scenario would be world that takes stuff from Chinese, Indian and African cultures, since by 2040 there is over 5 billion people in Asia, over 2 billion people in Africa. Old world, Northern America and Europe is falling. Future third world war will be fought between China, India and Africa, while NA and Europe will be pets and targets. Outcome from this will be destruction of western culture. There will not be yanks to discover wormholes or jumpgates. Or is backstory just written for christian players? To make them feel better in the world where they constantly are getting kicked in their asses? Like now, Argentina is going to own Falklands again and brits just gets private roads from Cameron  Welcome to Pacific Century! CCP should really rethink the backstory of this game... Western culture is going to fade away in about 100 years..
I will begin here with a disclaimer I am not christian. In fact my personal belief is that any religion operating under a deity who loves all and forgives universally yet uses the fear of said deity and a superposed "hell" as a fear tactic for obedience is an abomination of said faith..
Frankly I find your statement of crap in regard to any ones belief is racist and inflammatory...but it's ok because it's directed at Christians right? You know.. Christians, this generations whipping boy. We see it every night almost on the news. Another school official getting terminated for a religions comment in class, groups protesting and having crosses removed from public buildings and areas.
This is how it starts folks. The op may not be a racist or a bigot but the attitude toward a specific religion clearly represents the growing culture in society today. Ask the Jews about it..they may have some perspective. Eve... Burn it....Burn it All |

gfldex
388
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Posted - 2012.03.21 11:57:00 -
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Z'aan Pulsar wrote: Much more realistic scenario would be world that takes stuff from Chinese, Indian and African cultures, since by 2040 there is over 5 billion people in Asia, over 2 billion people in Africa.
Err, no? Christians and Arabs share the same books they stolen from the Jews. Together Christian faith and Islam have the majority on the planet or at least folk that got that cultural background. You can't really be a Christian and start a war about Oil. Same for Arabs.
Most of Asia got Islam and there are both Moslems and Christians in China.
The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |

Dutarro
Matari Munitions The Fendahlian Collective
33
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Posted - 2012.03.21 11:58:00 -
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Emiko Luan wrote:[...] Also the Amarr were the first empire to get back up after the fall, so it makes sense that their name for the cluster stuck. .
What about all those dead "ancient" races like you find in COSMOS? Were they non-human or a pre-Amarr, spacefaring human society that has been forgotten? |

Maxx Overseer
Royal Advanced Industries Chained Reactions
1
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Posted - 2012.03.21 12:11:00 -
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Eve is really a scifi story we play out and now we, the players, make the history. It's now like other games that you have to follow the story line. That is why I like Eve and not other games like STO and WOW, we make the Game and CCP just makes the Rules to follow.
The Races they did use at the first is for we can relate to the game, and feel part of it. No putting them down... Maxx Overseer (David) |

Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
238
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Posted - 2012.03.21 12:24:00 -
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I don't think the Catholics of today would appreciate the fact that they are represented as slave-holding bigots in an internet spaceship game. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |

Proteus Maximus
New Eden Outcasts Malicious Intent Gentleman's Club
61
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Posted - 2012.03.21 12:36:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:I don't think the Catholics of today would appreciate the fact that they are represented as slave-holding bigots in an internet spaceship game. 
But they are fine with the current representation...You know accumulating wealth & the systematic relocation and nondisclosure of child abusers. Lets not forget to mention the payoff and hush money to victims. Yeah they are a shining beacon of Christianity. Eve... Burn it....Burn it All |

Qen Tye
The Varangian Guard. United We Stand.
6
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Posted - 2012.03.21 12:41:00 -
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/joke begin
A catholic priest, a pedophile and a rapist walk into a bar. He orders a beer.
/joke end
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Dutarro
Matari Munitions The Fendahlian Collective
33
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Posted - 2012.03.21 12:52:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:I don't think the Catholics of today would appreciate the fact that they are represented as slave-holding bigots in an internet spaceship game. 
Amarr aren't really like Catholics .. maybe Byzantine Orthodox? The Byzantine Empire really did have slaves by the way. |

Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
238
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Posted - 2012.03.21 13:13:00 -
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Dutarro wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote:I don't think the Catholics of today would appreciate the fact that they are represented as slave-holding bigots in an internet spaceship game.  Amarr aren't really like Catholics .. maybe Byzantine Orthodox? The Byzantine Empire really did have slaves by the way.
True. But if you bothered to read the backstory, they are technically direct descendants of Catholics. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |

Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
493
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Posted - 2012.03.21 13:31:00 -
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Z'aan Pulsar wrote:It's future and all this crap like "new eden" are everywhere in EVE. Much more realistic scenario would be world that takes stuff from Chinese, Indian and African cultures, since by 2040 there is over 5 billion people in Asia, over 2 billion people in Africa. Old world, Northern America and Europe is falling. Future third world war will be fought between China, India and Africa, while NA and Europe will be pets and targets. Outcome from this will be destruction of western culture. There will not be yanks to discover wormholes or jumpgates. Or is backstory just written for christian players? To make them feel better in the world where they constantly are getting kicked in their asses? Like now, Argentina is going to own Falklands again and brits just gets private roads from Cameron  Welcome to Pacific Century! CCP should really rethink the backstory of this game... Western culture is going to fade away in about 100 years..
And Asian/Middle Eastern/ African/Indian cultures that have a predominate male over female ration will die off in about 100yrs too. Dumbass. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1305
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Posted - 2012.03.21 13:32:00 -
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Have you ever spoken to a Christian? They are some crazy people! I wouldn't put it past them to take over the world one day and then proceed to take over the galaxy. I can't understand what would drive a person to worship an invisible being that they have never seen. Take it from me...cat worship is where it is at! EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

MrWhitei God
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
32
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Posted - 2012.03.21 13:39:00 -
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Valentyn3 wrote:Predator Drones + Nukes + Samples of Horrible Diseases >>> African warlords, Chinese/Indian peasants, and pretty much the rest of the world. Anyone who think America wouldn't win the next big "inevitable war" is pretty much ignoring the fact that killing people is the one thing we excel at.
Also, we kind of own the Moon so there's that to.
Christianity has spread through the entire globe and only really has Islam as any real contender to deal with. Trying to claim that religions that are already underrepresented here and now be equal 20,000-30,000+ years in the future is just silly.
You guys are gonna have to lose a bit of weight first tho |

trexinatux
Bipedal Carnivore Club
26
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Posted - 2012.03.21 13:42:00 -
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Eve needed a mythos. What better place to rob one than by raiding religious texts. All great world builders do this. Helpless people on subway trains... |

Gerald Taric
Adamantium Industry
42
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Posted - 2012.03.21 13:49:00 -
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oh no ...... a religion topic ...
"(real live) Political" or "(real live) religios" topics are forbidden in many forums ... for a very good reason: Those threads immediatelly got hot. The probability of rants, hate, insults, despisements and so on is very high. In some countries such public statements against 'something' are even forbidden.
The best proof for problems on those topics is the OPs posting itself.
Although i consider myself as moderately religious (too), I expect this thread being closed very soon - in order to prevent more hate here. |

Information Agent
Apparently Miners
53
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Posted - 2012.03.21 13:56:00 -
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Valentyn3 wrote:Predator Drones + Nukes + Samples of Horrible Diseases >>> African warlords, Chinese/Indian peasants, and pretty much the rest of the world. Anyone who think America wouldn't win the next big "inevitable war" is pretty much ignoring the fact that killing people is the one thing we excel at.
Hehe, sorry, but I had to laugh. Name one single war, that America has ever won on its own, obviously without counting the civil war over there which was basically English versus English.
There isn't even any warlords in Afghanistan, yet look how thats going. |

Qen Tye
The Varangian Guard. United We Stand.
6
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Posted - 2012.03.21 13:57:00 -
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I will never understand why it matters what reference existing is important in a video game. If you are offended by it then quit playing.
You do not see a vegetarian buy meat do you ? |

Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
550
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Posted - 2012.03.21 14:25:00 -
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Has anyone said amarr victor yet?
Cause if they haven't:
AMARR VICTOR - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |

Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University Ivy League
12
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Posted - 2012.03.21 14:31:00 -
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Z'aan Pulsar wrote:It's future and all this crap like "new eden" are everywhere in EVE.
Much more realistic scenario would be world that takes stuff from Chinese, Indian and African cultures, since by 2040 there is over 5 billion people in Asia, over 2 billion people in Africa. Old world, Northern America and Europe is falling. Future third world war will be fought between China, India and Africa, while NA and Europe will be pets and targets. Outcome from this will be destruction of western culture. There will not be yanks to discover wormholes or jumpgates.
Or is backstory just written for christian players? To make them feel better in the world where they constantly are getting kicked in their asses?
You know, you're beating down your own argument.
The people who crossed the EVE gate were the ones with horrible lifes who took the life of the colonizers to escape their poorness on the Earth. So yes, it would be extremely consistent with your "China will beat USA in 2030" logic that we were, in fact, all USAnians in Eve. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
384
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Posted - 2012.03.21 14:32:00 -
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The Amarrian religion is just a generic stand-in for religion in general.
It is obviously a Christian variant but without a Messiah Figure, like the world of Arbre in Neal Stephenson's "Anathem" or the Bajoran religion on ST:Deep Space 9.
Just wanted to say.
And as the son of a former Deacon and Preacher in the Baptist Church.....those folks are WACKY !!!! 'Nuff said. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
550
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Posted - 2012.03.21 15:43:00 -
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Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:
You know, you're beating down your own argument.
The people who crossed the EVE gate were the ones with horrible lifes who took the way of the colonization to escape their poorness on the Earth. So yes, it would be extremely consistent with your "China will beat USA in 2030" logic that we were, in fact, all USAnians in Eve.
Actually the colonisers where the ones with enough militairy clout, tech and power to claim the new riches beyond the eve gate since the riches in the solar system and beyond where depleted.
They wouldn't send poor people through the gate, they'd send those who could pay/work/achieve and colonize. Poor people would stay right where they where at, being poor and hungry.
Thats one thing all the EVE cultures have in common, the need to succeed in different forms. (except the lazy minmatars) - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |

Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
201
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Posted - 2012.03.21 16:02:00 -
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Hey, this could be an opportunity for CCP to add some Islamic flavored items.
'Burqa' Improved Cloaking Device I 'Jihad' Shrapnel Bomb I 'Allah' Invulnerability Field I 'Muhammad' Command Processor I
Just a few I could think of.... GòªGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGòæGûæGûæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòæGûæGòæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòªGòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòªGòùGòöGòù GòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòùGòöGòúGûæGòöGòùGòáGûæGûæGòáGûæGòáGòùGòáGò¥GûæGòæGòáGûæGòáGò¥GòæGòæGòæGòÜGòù Gò¬GòÉGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòÜGò¥GûæGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGûæGòÜGò¥GòæGòæGòÜGò¥GûæGò¬GòÜGò¥GòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòæGòÜGò¥ Got Item? |

Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
99
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Posted - 2012.03.21 16:26:00 -
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Christian references? Can't say I noticed or even care. |

ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements.
419
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Posted - 2012.03.21 17:18:00 -
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Z'aan Pulsar wrote:Like now, Argentina is going to own Falklands again and brits just gets private roads from Cameron 
GL to a third world country with defeating the best-trained armed forces in the world...
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
969
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Posted - 2012.03.21 17:29:00 -
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Valentyn3 wrote: America.... killing people is the one thing we excel at.
Agreed.
With a domestic murder rate the highest in the developed world, (100x higher that the number two spot) you are certainly good killers.
Mr Epeen 
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
452
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Posted - 2012.03.21 17:33:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Valentyn3 wrote: America.... killing people is the one thing we excel at.
Agreed. With a domestic murder rate the highest in the developed world, (100x higher that the number two spot) you are certainly good killers. Mr Epeen  To be fair, part of the equation is that it's all out in the open. Some governments have a very low murder rate and a very high rate of "disappearances."
The US is a PvP server.
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Vangelios
Hedion University Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.03.21 17:48:00 -
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Z'aan Pulsar wrote:It's future and all this crap like "new eden" are everywhere in EVE.
Much more realistic scenario would be world that takes stuff from Chinese, Indian and African cultures, since by 2040 there is over 5 billion people in Asia, over 2 billion people in Africa. Old world, Northern America and Europe is falling. Future third world war will be fought between China, India and Africa, while NA and Europe will be pets and targets. Outcome from this will be destruction of western culture. There will not be yanks to discover wormholes or jumpgates.
While the destruction of western culture is a bit of overstatement. OP has valid point. However many of people in western world are quite ignorant. Please open your mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtV5bI39ILs http://www.ted.com/talks/martin_jacques_understanding_the_rise_of_china.html (same video on TED) ...-áEach small candle Lights a corner of the dark... |

Azriel Geist
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2012.03.21 17:50:00 -
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I'm pissed there aren't aliens around.....
Look I'm not saying its aliens BUT ITS ALIENS! |

Tarsas Phage
Pain Delivery.
52
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Posted - 2012.03.21 17:52:00 -
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Posting in a thread that could have very well been named "Why so many (insert religion) references in this game?" |

Oregin
Dropbear Drive-By
11
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Posted - 2012.03.21 17:52:00 -
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As a teacher of religious studies this kind of made me sick in my mouth.
a) 'Eden' is a Christian term.
Eden is a concept not exclusively from Christianity but more specifically follows from the Abrahamic tradition. The Abrahamic religions include Judaism, Islam and Christianity (where Christianity can be seen as an offshoot of Judaism through revelation).
b) It's all about the west.
Christianity did not start in Europe or America, nor is it exclusively a western religion. The same can be said of any Abrahamic religion.
c) Sweeping statements forecasting the future.
Beliefs are one thing. Fact is the another. Pretend you know the difference. |
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ISD Grossvogel
Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.03.21 18:00:00 -
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