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Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.07 12:15:00 - [1] First, the suicide balance was overdue. It just took out the unending profit of the matter, and people were using disposable alts way too frequently. Second, EvE has been changing since way before that. Give it another year, maybe two, and we'll either be seeing some form of CONCORD intervention in low-sec, or CCP will shard EvE to provide a PvP-free world. The new players who have joined over the past year, especially, have seen no proof outside of the occasional 'suicide grief gank' that EvE is not playable as a PvE only game. Nothing the devs have done has shown them this. And all the players do is act like griefers ... and most pvp players do ... which doesn't talk ANYONE into wanting to PvP. Lag will get worse in mission hubs. NPC corps and single-man corps will see much more use. We'll lose the ability to carry out a wardec in hisec. We'll lose the ability to suicide gank without severe penalization. And the game will continue to split along the Empire line, between the money making area, and the PvP battleground. Everything else will be left to 0.0, where alliances do their own thing. It's coming. It has been coming, and it'll continue. Because players aren't joining EvE to play EvE, they are joining EvE to play only 25% of the game. "The greatest offense is no defense."
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.07 12:26:00 - [2] Originally by: testalt01 I am sorry I must be missing something here... Did CCP completely remove suicide ganking from the game? Did they make it impossible to lock and shoot the crap out of ships and players in high sec? No, they made suicide ganking a bit more costly for the attacker. It will still be a viable activity to gank haulers carrying several hundred million in loot on autopilot. It will still be a viable activity to kill shuttles carrying expensive implants and faction items. You will still be able to smartbomb packs of miners. You will still be able to kill officer fitted CNRs. . . . So what are we whining about in this thread again? It's not this one change that we're complaining about. It's the overall arc. This change is a good one, I feel, but it doesn't change the steady decline of the game from a niche game for a niche playerbase, to a mainstream game that appeals to the lowest common denominator. It's just pure economics. CCP can make more money by pandering to the larger audience. UO did the same thing, as did EQ. If that audience is you, then have no fear. But there are a bunch of players who remember the OLD UO fondly. You might look out and see the players in low-sec as nothing but cruel greifers and sadistic bastards. They look at you and the 'carebears' as the majority-rule that continues to ruin game after game. Personally, I'm a carebear, but I think the UO analogy is right on the money. "The greatest offense is no defense."
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.07 13:02:00 - [3] Originally by: Lord WarATron Nothing stoping people suicide ganking at all, you can still gank as normal. A mining barge ina belt will still die vs same numbers. I guess all this fuss is over people unwilling to fight with what they cannot afford to lose? As I keep saying, this fuss isn't about the current dev blog, at least for many of us. I see that as a positive change. But it is just one more step in the path of what UO and EQ and SWG (in it's own way) have done. You want more money, you cater to the lowest common denominator. "The greatest offense is no defense."
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.07 13:48:00 - [4] Originally by: Kuolematon Hint: EVE DEV's came from hardcore UO .. so I think they are not going to do same mistake as their previous favorite game .. But money is money. If they can appease the 'why would anybody attack me?' crowd, which is an audience of millions, then they will dumb down the game as far as it needs to go. Just face it. PvP is on it's way out. As long as it stays in the ring systems, carebears don't mind. They want their world, screw yours. So you want security? That's perfectly alright. But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.07 13:52:00 - [5] Originally by: An Anarchyyt http://ft.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/a6/a6ae9d37f895ce80e5ca6e7c390d85bb7e26482c.png As you can see, Trammel came out in April 2000. Totally killed UO. I've played so many of those games. 'Hardcore' just doesn't last on the market. No room for a niche playerbase like that. I'm willing to bet money that unless CCP's ideas change, EvE will follow each one of those games that had serious, worldwide PvP. So you want security? That's perfectly alright. But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.07 13:54:00 - [6] Originally by: McDonALTs Originally by: Ruze Originally by: Kuolematon Hint: EVE DEV's came from hardcore UO .. so I think they are not going to do same mistake as their previous favorite game .. But money is money. If they can appease the 'why would anybody attack me?' crowd, which is an audience of millions, then they will dumb down the game as far as it needs to go. Just face it. PvP is on it's way out. As long as it stays in the ring systems, carebears don't mind. They want their world, screw yours. ????? They are making the game more risky and harsh by removing insurance. It is retarted to think that making the game more harh is going to kill pvpers???? Did you read everything everyone wrote thinking that this was in anything other than the slightest way concerned with the new fix? Cause it isn't. This fix is nothing in the overall scheme of things. All I've seen, ESPECIALLY in this post, is others comming in and assuming that this recent suicide nerf was why everyone is so despondent. Sorry, but even a fix can be part of the path that ruins a game. So you want security? That's perfectly alright. But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.07 14:12:00 - [7] Not quite. I just think that it killed UO for one whole population, while the other continued to flourish. Money is money. UO changed to accomodate a softer crowd, and killed the original playerbase. I'm not arguing that EvE would continue to grow after they eventually segregate PvP to only certain areas. We'll get bigger, and bigger. But the game that many of the oldtimers enjoyed will be gone. That's the evolution part, I guess. It just sucks if you liked EvE as it was, and aren't looking for another mainstream game. But we'll have something 'hardcore' come out in a year or two to migrate towards, and start the process over again. So you want security? That's perfectly alright. But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.07 15:23:00 - [8] Originally by: SurrenderMonkey -Christians need a great deal of mental care. That's about the only one I could agree with So you want security? That's perfectly alright. But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.07 15:44:00 - [9] To get back on topic, yes, I think EvE is following the path of UO. From being a niche game aimed at a very dedicated and small audience, to changing mechanics and catering to a much larger, broader and less dedicated audience. We may see a server shard one day, we may just see more hisec put in place. I really wouldn't be surprised if we saw, at the least, more forms of police to patrol low sec. Hisec will be made less vulnerable to PvP, until there comes a point where players can actually completely opt out, much like they can with the NPC corps now. Players who liked the original game will either change to the new, 'softer' play approach, or will migrate to whatever hardcore game takes its place. For many of us, EvE will no longer be the EvE we enjoyed so much. Which is a shame, but it is life. Does that mean that the EvE franchise will die? By no means. So you want security? That's perfectly alright. But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.08 00:45:00 - [10] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Just like I predicted, this entire thread has become something like this: YOU'RE NOT A TRUE FAN, I'M A TRUE FAN Remember this whenever you whine about a new change: Heheheh ... my deal is, I don't think EvE is dying. Quite the contrary, in fact. I just wish it didn't have to change so much to get as popular as it's going to get So you want security? That's perfectly alright. But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security.

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