Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

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That would not necessarily be a concern for this type of player, but the OP's proposal to effectively remove level 3 and 4 agents from high-sec alltogether would be problematic for them.

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Originally by: Roshan longshot

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Maybe I dont want to see the numbers drop...you may not have been here 5 years ago when eve first started...3000 players that is 3k not 30k.

This idea was shot down before by ccp, for that reason. Force paying customers into somthing they dont want to do...and they will leave.

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Originally by: Venkul Mul

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Originally by: Malcanis

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So 0.0 missions are roughly balanced with 0.0 ratting, but only 10% as good as hi-sec missions.

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I seriously doubt your "only 10% more profitable" as people claim that 0.1 missions (so no pirate implants from Lp) give out 60 millions hours (top runners probably, the same people that will get mroe than 30 milions hour in high sec).

Even disregarding that, the simple fact that in 0.1 you get roughly x2 the LP of the same mission in high sec mean about 6 extra millions for each mission, so 9-12 extra millions each hour and then there is the chance for better spawns in the variable spawns missions, with the possibility of a true faction spawn.

I will test 0.0 missions rewards as I am moving a 4 months character in NPC pirate land to do missions. He is up to level 3 missions, I am very curious to see what will be his per hour return. I highly doubt it will be only a 10% more than high sec missions of the same level.

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Originally by: Karii Ildarian

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Originally by: Kwedaras

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Originally by: Karii Ildarian

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All kidding aside, I would like to ask one serious question.

Exactly how much ISK/hr should a mission runner be able to make in hi-sec?

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10 mil/h if VERY lucky, normally i think 6-9 would be right

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I usually make about 5 or 6 tops, if I get good missions. This sounds like a raise. :)

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Originally by: Karii Ildarian

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Well, let me check my log...

No Alts... check
Limited play time (rl 9 to 5, etc,etc,etc...) ... check
Run an average of one L4/evening (unless I get courier missions, than more, but less...)...check
Average time played/evening...3.5 to 4 hours... check

Yup, I average about 5 to 6 million isk/hour, so maybe I am the worst mission runner in EvE.

Do you believe that one should have various alts on multiple accounts, to run missions in this game? If so, what seperates you from a macro miner?

I also wanted to comment on the "sliding scale agent" idea. Must be the first time I ever heard players ask for, what is essentially, a geographical nerf...

Lastly, someone else pointed out the most obvious flaw:

Nerfing L4 missions would, in the end, result in a significant increase in the power of 0.0 alliances. Low sec will still suck...

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Originally by: Karii Ildarian

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A kill mission like Damsel takes at least 2 hours from the time I accept the mission until the time I have completed salvaging.

A kill mission like WC takes me 3 to 4 hours, in total, to complete.

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Originally by: Jarvis Hellstrom

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Originally by: Esmenet

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You take a little nap in the middle then or?

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Nope. Not everyone has the same level of skill or the expenditure in the really optimized rigged mission ships.

Worlds Collide takes me closer to 5 hours to complete and usually I pretty much need to have a second player for the hard bit. (That's including loot and salvage).

The first L4 I soloed was a Blockade and it took 6 hours and about 2 minutes. I know because I just barely missed getting the time bonus for it. And that doesn't include the final looting and salvaging.

Not everyone can run missions as fast as some can. They just aren't as good.

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Originally by: Karii Ildarian

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With the increased difficulty related to hi-sec suicide ganking which is about to come to fruition, I suppose that the ISK farmers and RMT type people are extremely worried about their bottom-lines due to the reduced requirement for their service that this change may bring.


I grieve for you.

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