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Exlegion New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.08 01:56:00 - [1] Was going to ask some questions but Arrs Grazznic posted them already and no meaningful responses were given. Still, someone ought to pass on the memo to the big alliances they're better off missioning in high sec. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Exlegion New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.08 11:10:00 - [2] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Exlegion Was going to ask some questions but Arrs Grazznic posted them already and no meaningful responses were given. Still, someone ought to pass on the memo to the big alliances they're better off missioning in high sec. Well yours certainly is. Whoah! Wasn't expecting that. A swing at Hydra. Original :D. Would you care in answering the question as to why aren't alliances flocking to high sec space to farm missions? Or, you know. You can continue to derail your own thread. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Exlegion New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.08 11:43:00 - [3] Originally by: Arrs Grazznic Name me one individual / player corp / alliance that can supply 175 mission running characters running the best paying level 4 missions for 23 hours. Oh right you can't. As someone said above, while agents can (and do!) effectively pay out billions of isk per hour to mission runners, that vast amount of cash is spread pretty thinly between individuals and organisations. There is the potential for a single entity to concentrate their efforts here and take a larger percentage of the payout, just as there is the potential for an alliance to strip a region's belts daily. The thing is this just doesn't happen. So, I agree with the OP that missions pay out a massive amount of isk per hour to EVE as a whole. However, I do not think that this is an issue. Cheers, Arrs Well said. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Exlegion New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.08 11:50:00 - [4] Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Arrs Grazznic Name me one individual / player corp / alliance that can supply 175 mission running characters running the best paying level 4 missions for 23 hours. Why would you want to be in a alliance or corp for that? Its just another example of why missions are completely out of tune with the rest of EVE. If you're arguing about the potential on making hundreds of billions of isks in a few hours you're not planning on accomplishing this feat solo, are you? One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Exlegion New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.08 14:11:00 - [5] Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Amateratsu Why they live in highsec is open for debate, but the fact is they do. therefore ccp must cater to the needs of those players. The majority do live there, but that dont mean that they should have to cater to them. Who should they be catering to? One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Exlegion New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.08 14:30:00 - [6] Originally by: Esmenet They should be catering to the game as a whole so that it is balanced in terms with the vision of the game. That used to be a competitive game with a balance of risk/reward. CCP is balancing the game. And Eve is catering to the game as a whole. But there are still those who insist in CCP not to cater players who decide to play the game in a different style than theirs. There are players that insist in their right to ruin these players' fun because their own fun depends on the misery of others. They insist that is their right to impose their right unto others. And in Eve you can do that; mostly in low sec and 0.0. But that's not enough for them. They want their own views imposed to those living in high sec as well. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Exlegion New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.08 14:35:00 - [7] Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Exlegion Originally by: Esmenet They should be catering to the game as a whole so that it is balanced in terms with the vision of the game. That used to be a competitive game with a balance of risk/reward. CCP is balancing the game. And Eve is catering to the game as a whole. But there are still those who insist in CCP not to cater players who decide to play the game in a different style than theirs. There are players that insist in their right to ruin these players' fun because their own fun depends on the misery of others. They insist that is their right to impose their right unto others. And in Eve you can do that; mostly in low sec and 0.0. But that's not enough for them. They want their own views imposed to those living in high sec as well. Such a tired and weak argument that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. Just shows you run out of real arguments. The game is supposed to be competitive. No player lives in a bubble alone. Very nice ad hom, Ki An, considering you brought up the subject. I answered your question and you attack me with this. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Exlegion New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.08 14:58:00 - [8] Ruze, You are reading my words wrong and I'm not categorizing everyone into this one group. However, you must admit there is the very vocal minority that do enjoy the misery of others. In fact, they thrive and depend on it. Just by reading some of the threads generated on these forums you should be able to confirm that. Then there are those that really are concerned in balancing the game. I can point out with much more ease those that have agendas other than the overall well-being of the game, as they seem to imply even on this very thread. And I'm not asking for a corner of space where nobody can harm anyone. That's the other extreme and is just as ridiculous. What I am defending is the right to be able to exist within Eve in a place where risk is reasonably minimal predictible. And it should be a place where "carebears" can have some fun too. Mind you, I spend most of the time in 0.0 or low sec. In 0.0 ratting, but lately more in PVP ops. In low sec mostly running missions. But I still believe there should be a place for the casual players. They aren't harming me in any way. And in low sec and 0.0 they're the last thing on my mind. I just can't understand why there is so much hate against a playerbase (probably the largest?) that really has minimal effect on low sec and 0.0, which I'll assume is where most of the posters here reside. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Exlegion New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.08 15:28:00 - [9] If it is of genuine concern that high sec missions are having a measurable and significant negative effect on the Eve economy then CCP should definitely look into it. And they should adjust missions accordingly, using objective parameters. I suspect, however, that CCP already has that information and are/will be making necessary changes if numbers aren't where they should be. What I can almost guarantee is they will minimize a nerf to the 'fun' factor of these players; meaning that no matter how much some of us wish them ill-intentions it's just not going to happen. CCP will not shoot itself in the face to make the hand happy. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr

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