Originally by: Praleon

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Your car apparently stopped being a car the instant they put some anti-lock brakes in it, right? No, but instead of dying on ice patches on the road, you had to try a little bit harder to kill yourself. God that sucks for everyone else on the road because, well, you're still alive to make that post.

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Originally by: Malcanis

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A smidgen over 4 billion ISK

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Originally by: Estel Arador

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Originally by: Avon

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What next, helicopter drop 2 meters short of the summit of Everest so you can scramble up and reach the top too?

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If helicopters could fly at that altitude I'm sure people would do that...

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Originally by: Pan Crastus

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1. you assume that somehow you are part of the majority of EVE players with your opinions, when in fact you are part of a vocal minority

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Originally by: Praleon

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2) You had access to obtain T2 BPOs, and if you didn't then YOU'RE the noob who missed out on an opportunity to earn billions without having to run jack anywhere.

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Originally by: Praleon

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What's more "uber" a guy who can seriously help siege/repair a POS AND fly a 100% pimped out cruiser, or just a 100% pimped out cruiser guy?

Therefore, perhaps more SP DOES = more uber, I counter.

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Originally by: Praleon

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Originally by: Avon

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You could just by a better damage mod and spend those 12 days doing something else.
Like earning ISK to buy better damage mods, for example.

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Uhh, like what? I use Gyrostabs II, 220 or 425 AC II's, Hail M, ummm... you aren't suggesting I put 100 mil ISK+ shadow serpentis modules on there, are you? You know I do throw these ships away in combat, right?

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Originally by: Galan Amarias

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The best part of this is you are describing him at least as much as us. Still look above, I think you'll see I adressed every point he makes in his op and shread them with charts and numbers.

-Galan

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Originally by: Praleon

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Originally by: Janice Khan

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Edited by: Janice Khan on 14/08/2008 06:39:37
Numbers.

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Excellent post. As you can see, the level 5 skills with the same setup begin to approach double damage. Some ships are a bit less than double damage (your example) other ships go beyond double damage. Also, not sure if you changed out to t2 frequency crystals or not in your check... I fitted a t2 Amarr ship that went from "no skills" at 76 to all V's at 177, well over double, just throwing modules on, of course, but, don't forget drones and t2 ammo/crystals where applicable.

It takes a LOOOONG time to match that guy's damage, or even to get within 10-15% of it. And by the time you've done that... he's probably only flying those ships for shits and giggles. Dude's probably off flying something insanely badass.

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Originally by: Praleon

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Then realize that EVE's PVP nature makes it more and more difficult for new players to survive the requisite waiting period as time marches on.

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Originally by: Praleon

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I didn't answer your post the first 95 times you posted it because I thought that it was incredibly apparent that someone capable of high end POS sieging, full t2 cruiser piloting, AND flying capital ships is a better, more versatile toon than one who can only do one of them...

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Originally by: Praleon

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Originally by: Avon

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Nice try, but you are still evading.

I contend my alt has caught up, and indeed is now more "uber" than my main.

You said that is not possible.

Discuss.

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Did your main stop training while your alt was training?

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Originally by: Praleon

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The fundamental point of this argument (EVE becomes harder and harder for new players to integrate with as the population increases and the highly skilled population goes up, in part due to elitist kiddies) has not been adequately dismantled.

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Originally by: Praleon

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3) ... I will, and have already, surpassed many of the players who consider themselves elite. ...

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