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PonPon	Posted - 2008.08.09 13:28:00 - [1] All these posts about High/Low sec/0.0 Space, Carebear, PVP etc etc About how people think other people should play the game. Honest people ... who cares ? Why should I care? I don't care what you do in game ... if you want to pewpew somewhere ..fine .. spend hours watching those pretty sparkling mininglaser beams .. fine .. blow stuff/people up for the nice fireworks ... fine.. You wish to live in appletree avenue ...fine... live downtown in the redlight district .. fine... What I am saying CCP supplies the tools, it's up to you what to do with it .. enjoy .. I'll try to say this nice .. for those of you that think you know it all, and think you can "force" anyone to do something they not choose to do (just because YOU think you are the allmighty/allknowing EVE god that is ALWAYS right, I think you have to start realize what's going on here. People come here to have fun as THEY see fit. You are not ever going to force a PVPer to go Carebear and vice versa. You fail to see there is a place for everyone to do what ever they feel to do in this game. If you fail to find this place I would like to argue that this is not the game for you. It does not give you the right to try to mold the game as YOU think it is right. The only ones that can and will do it is CCP, they ARE the EVE gods. I believe, and this goes for ALL parties, that all the whining, shouting, namecalling won't make anyone do anything they NOT wish to do. I believe that changes proposed by either side will not "force" anyone to your side, it will be more likely you "force" them OUT of the game (and I do not see the point of this here because honestly what do YOU care what I or anyone else does?) If you are here and found your place in the game, what more do you need? o7
Zephyr Rengate dearg doom	Posted - 2008.08.09 13:32:00 - [2] People in 0.0 are angry because they have high amounts of risk* wereas in high sec the risk does not exist yet they can** match what a 0.0 player can earn. may not be that risky in deep alliance space *high sec players cannot match moon mining in 0.0 though not everyone in 0.0 moon mines.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2008.08.09 13:34:00 - [3] We care becuase they make as much ISK as we do with NO RISK WHATSOEVER. hoped the caps helped you out a bit there :P
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.08.09 13:48:00 - [4] The problem is spiteful no-lifers who live in mommy's basements and will start crying if CCP doesn't spoon-feed them unsuspecting carebear victims. They keep saying that they want EVE to be challenging, but the fact that they are crying about the relative safety of hi-sec shows that they are actually afraid of real challenges and want to keep PVPing in easy mode. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.08.09 13:49:00 - [5] Originally by: PonPon All these posts about High/Low sec/0.0 Space, Carebear, PVP etc etc About how people think other people should play the game. Honest people ... who cares ? Why should I care? Because this is a MMOG, and as such everyone has some effect on the game. Duh. - DesuSigs
Karentaki Gallente Maximum Yarrage	Posted - 2008.08.09 13:55:00 - [6] Edited by: Karentaki on 09/08/2008 13:56:30 Originally by: Pan Crastus The problem is spiteful no-lifers who live in mommy's basements and will start crying if CCP doesn't spoon-feed them unsuspecting carebear victims. They keep saying that they want EVE to be challenging, but the fact that they are crying about the relative safety of hi-sec shows that they are actually afraid of real challenges and want to keep PVPing in easy mode. QFT - (Quoted For Tears) EDIT: - In response to the the op People care because carebears aren't happy just being 99% safe in highsec - they instead want to change the parts of the game that other people love (like PvP) to suit their whims and refusal to adapt. ============= RE: The suicide nerf Originally by: agent apple I believe I can safely speak for many of us when I say, Dear Devs, Go Back to WOW
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.08.09 14:11:00 - [7] Originally by: PonPon who cares ? Why should I care? Your enemy cares, if he's trying to get you out of an area, but your corp's army of L4 mission-running alts OR the ISK they get from selling GTCs at 400-ish mil per unit (due to the many people who can easily afford to "pay" subscriptions with ISK-bought GTCs) keep supplying them with enough ISK to fight you. Quote: You fail to see there is a place for everyone to do what ever they feel to do in this game. No, I don't fail to see that... but YOU fail to see that not everything everybody could want to do DESERVES to be equally profitable. _ THE APPRENTICE \|\| mineral balance \|\| nanofix
Malcanis We are Legend eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.09 15:19:00 - [8] Originally by: PonPon All these posts about High/Low sec/0.0 Space, Carebear, PVP etc etc About how people think other people should play the game. Honest people ... who cares ? Why should I care? I don't care what you do in game ... if you want to pewpew somewhere ..fine .. spend hours watching those pretty sparkling mininglaser beams .. fine .. blow stuff/people up for the nice fireworks ... fine.. You wish to live in appletree avenue ...fine... live downtown in the redlight district .. fine... What I am saying CCP supplies the tools, it's up to you what to do with it .. enjoy .. I'll try to say this nice .. for those of you that think you know it all, and think you can "force" anyone to do something they not choose to do (just because YOU think you are the allmighty/allknowing EVE god that is ALWAYS right, I think you have to start realize what's going on here. People come here to have fun as THEY see fit. You are not ever going to force a PVPer to go Carebear and vice versa. You fail to see there is a place for everyone to do what ever they feel to do in this game. If you fail to find this place I would like to argue that this is not the game for you. It does not give you the right to try to mold the game as YOU think it is right. The only ones that can and will do it is CCP, they ARE the EVE gods. I believe, and this goes for ALL parties, that all the whining, shouting, namecalling won't make anyone do anything they NOT wish to do. I believe that changes proposed by either side will not "force" anyone to your side, it will be more likely you "force" them OUT of the game (and I do not see the point of this here because honestly what do YOU care what I or anyone else does?) If you are here and found your place in the game, what more do you need? o7 As long as you don't drive up the prices of anything I want, or drive down the prices of anything I sell, or buy or sell anything to people I don't like, or cause lag in systems I'm in then I don't care what you do. So mission away, but don't buy or sell anything please - just buy whatever NPC BPOs you need for what you want and use your own minerals, and I won't care a tinkers cuss what you do, in safety or otherwise. But as soon as you engage with the rest of EvE, what you do IS my business, because that's the way the game works. If you want to play a game without ever being bothered by the existence of other players, there are plenty such. This is an MMO. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Malcanis We are Legend eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.09 15:21:00 - [9] Originally by: Pan Crastus The problem is spiteful no-lifers who live in mommy's basements and will start crying if CCP doesn't spoon-feed them unsuspecting carebear victims. They keep saying that they want EVE to be challenging, but the fact that they are crying about the relative safety of hi-sec shows that they are actually afraid of real challenges and want to keep PVPing in easy mode. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.09 15:27:00 - [10] It's not so much how other people play, but how they 'think' the game should be, where I care. Cause obviously I have my own thoughts on how the game should be, and I like them more, no? If you want to mission all day, that's wonderful. If you want to pirate, or take part in 0.0 wars, or even suicide yourself for a few isk ... fine by me. Traders, miners, industrialists ... awesome. But when you start trying to remove PvP from hisec, when you claim that hisec should have more things to do, or when you start going on about how everything should be taken from hisec so that you can have more grief targets ... That's where I care. Because I love the game, and I really do care about how it develops and grows. I can't change it, I know that, don't get me mistaken. But I can oppose or support those ideas on the forums that I dislike or like. I can toss my opinion in on these 'discussions', because that's what the discussions are for. Ultimately it's up to CCP, but I plan on playing this game for as long as it's going, and if I put so much time into it, I hope it goes on for a good long time. I may not care how anyone plays their game, but I do care how the game develops. A good MMO with a dedicated audience will always have people who care and are willing to get up-in-arms. Please don't confuse the two. So you want security? That's perfectly alright. But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security.

eliminator2 Gallente Black Water.	Posted - 2008.08.09 15:27:00 - [11] lol u say y r pple sayin how we should play game y r u saying that they should stop moaning some of the moans r funny anyway :)
Ihrda Siharkhail Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.09 15:29:00 - [12] Originally by: Pan Crastus The problem is spiteful no-lifers who live in mommy's basements and will start crying if CCP doesn't spoon-feed them unsuspecting carebear victims. They keep saying that they want EVE to be challenging, but the fact that they are crying about the relative safety of hi-sec shows that they are actually afraid of real challenges and want to keep PVPing in easy mode. want a hug?
eliminator2 Gallente Black Water.	Posted - 2008.08.09 15:42:00 - [13] Originally by: Ihrda Siharkhail Originally by: Pan Crastus The problem is spiteful no-lifers who live in mommy's basements and will start crying if CCP doesn't spoon-feed them unsuspecting carebear victims. They keep saying that they want EVE to be challenging, but the fact that they are crying about the relative safety of hi-sec shows that they are actually afraid of real challenges and want to keep PVPing in easy mode. want a hug? can i have one ill add u to my closet if ur a gd hugger ;)
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.08.09 15:44:00 - [14] Because people who don't pvp say the most ridiculous things. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.09 15:50:00 - [15] In the one corner, you have the griefers, who are about as evil as they are made out to be. The do underhanded and spiteful things, constantly provoking other, especially weaker, players by any means necessary. There are many posts on these forums that are good ideas, but with bad intentions. In the other corner are the bums. They want the world handed to them, and they want mama CCP to protect their cowardly little selves. They want 10/10 complexes and level 5 missions in hisec, so that they can experience the whole game without ever having to actually experience that dreaded PvP. They are naive, and many posts on these forums are made by bums looking for another cheap, WoWesque handout. The vast majority of the rest of the playerbase just enjoys playing the game, and have different ideas on how it should be played. And then are called griefers or bums by those who don't agree with them, as a way to demonize and debunk a good argument. Not every discussion is a whine or cry. Not every disagreement is a troll or flame. Not every pro-PvPer is a griefer or pirate. Not every pro-carebear is a bum. So you want security? That's perfectly alright. But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.08.09 15:58:00 - [16] Edited by: Andrue on 09/08/2008 15:59:39 Originally by: Steve Hawkings We care becuase they make as much ISK as we do with NO RISK WHATSOEVER. hoped the caps helped you out a bit there :P But what does it matter? The expensive stuff we Empire dwellers buy mostly comes from 0.0 anyway. You don't need to be rich because you can get stuff a lot cheaper in the first place. I've heard that some 0.0 residents regularly go into PvP with faction gear installed! I doubt many Empire dwellers would do that because it's far too expensive and precious. When I was living out in 0.0 no-one seemed very interested in getting wealthy. They were far more interested in blowing stuff up. One or two of them sometimes had issues buying replacement ships but a couple of hours ratting or a donation from other corp members soon sorted them out. So I don't buy the argument that we are somehow depriving low-sec and 0.0 of Isk. If anything we are probably putting more money into their economy. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Hieronimus Rex Minmatar Infinitus Sapientia New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.08.09 16:12:00 - [17] If CCP introduced a "duplicate item/ISK" button would you be angry? Yeah, its kind of like that, except less extreme.
Retorrent Changsuun	Posted - 2008.08.09 16:18:00 - [18] I don't understand why dose every one keep running around screaming "Oh Noooz the world is gonna end because CCP did this!!!" I honestly don't think its going to stop PVP /ganking in high sec space at all just means if you do it you will have to make sure the reward out weighs the risk. If you are in a good corp they should be helping you cover the cost of the op in the first place. I agree with some of the other threads on that high sec shouldn't be a complete safe zone because what is the fun in that?
Xevan Templar 7th Batavian Squadron	Posted - 2008.08.09 16:20:00 - [19] You can find the answers all in here, honestly. Have a good read, you will learn something: MMO's
Faife Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.08.09 16:26:00 - [20] Originally by: Hieronimus Rex If CCP introduced a "duplicate item/ISK" button would you be angry? Yeah, its kind of like that, except less extreme. nope, and i'd spam the shit out of it. you would too. - -

Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.09 16:30:00 - [21] Edited by: Ruze on 09/08/2008 16:30:36 Originally by: Faife Originally by: Hieronimus Rex If CCP introduced a "duplicate item/ISK" button would you be angry? Yeah, its kind of like that, except less extreme. nope, and i'd spam the shit out of it. you would too. Most everyone would. A few moralist wouldn't 'on principle', but in general we'd all use it like crazy. Which makes me wonder, does that make it a good idea to implement? And if such a button existed, would you be upset if they removed it? Why? So you want security? That's perfectly alright. But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security.
Wild Rho Amarr Silent Core	Posted - 2008.08.09 16:30:00 - [22] Because we all are in the same game world together and so are all effected by other players either directly or indirectly. I'd say most players don't really care that much how others play, it's more a case of when a particular type of player asks for changes to the game to suit their style at the expense of others, especially if it goes strongly against the main concept of the game (asking for sharding, consensual pvp for some classic examples).
Captain Porter Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.09 16:37:00 - [23] Edited by: Captain Porter on 09/08/2008 16:41:09 Originally by: Steve Hawkings We care becuase they make as much ISK as we do with NO RISK WHATSOEVER. hoped the caps helped you out a bit there :P Why do you say this? You can still scan/probe out missions in Hi-Sec and assist the mission runner in by removing the stuff in their cargo hold and some of the other equipment that might be on the ship slowing them down. If you don't want to help the mission runner with what is in his cargo hold, salvage the mission and steal the loot. You might even want to shoot some of the targets yourself since he will be tanking the mission to make a little extra ISK on top of what you will get for the loot and salvage depriving him/her of even more ISK. Suicide Ganking is not dead in Hi-Sec. Just need to be a little more selective of what you hit and what you use to hit it.
Malcanis We are Legend eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.09 16:38:00 - [24] Originally by: PonPon All these posts about High/Low sec/0.0 Space, Carebear, PVP etc etc About how people think other people should play the game. Honest people ... who cares ? Why should I care? I don't care what you do in game ... if you want to pewpew somewhere ..fine .. spend hours watching those pretty sparkling mininglaser beams .. fine .. blow stuff/people up for the nice fireworks ... fine.. You wish to live in appletree avenue ...fine... live downtown in the redlight district .. fine... What I am saying CCP supplies the tools, it's up to you what to do with it .. enjoy .. I'll try to say this nice .. for those of you that think you know it all, and think you can "force" anyone to do something they not choose to do (just because YOU think you are the allmighty/allknowing EVE god that is ALWAYS right, I think you have to start realize what's going on here. People come here to have fun as THEY see fit. You are not ever going to force a PVPer to go Carebear and vice versa. You fail to see there is a place for everyone to do what ever they feel to do in this game. If you fail to find this place I would like to argue that this is not the game for you. It does not give you the right to try to mold the game as YOU think it is right. The only ones that can and will do it is CCP, they ARE the EVE gods. I believe, and this goes for ALL parties, that all the whining, shouting, namecalling won't make anyone do anything they NOT wish to do. I believe that changes proposed by either side will not "force" anyone to your side, it will be more likely you "force" them OUT of the game (and I do not see the point of this here because honestly what do YOU care what I or anyone else does?) If you are here and found your place in the game, what more do you need? o7 Log into SiSi. You can buy anything for 100 ISK. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
WAuter Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.09 16:53:00 - [25] Originally by: Steve Hawkings We care becuase they make as much ISK as we do with NO RISK WHATSOEVER. hoped the caps helped you out a bit there :P You can do it too you know, earning isk without the risk...
Drakolus Amarr Dopehead Industries FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.08.09 18:24:00 - [26] Originally by: PonPon Why? Because no matter what you do, someone, somewhere will decide that they need to throw their toys out of the pram and maek poast on ze forums about how unfair life/the game is. _____________________________________________
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.08.10 00:03:00 - [27] Edited by: Le Skunk on 10/08/2008 00:03:13 Edited by: Le Skunk on 10/08/2008 00:02:52 Originally by: Ruze In the one corner, you have the griefers, who are about as evil as they are made out to be. The do underhanded and spiteful things, constantly provoking other, especially weaker, players by any means necessary. There are many posts on these forums that are good ideas, but with bad intentions. In the other corner are the bums. They want the world handed to them, and they want mama CCP to protect their cowardly little selves. They want 10/10 complexes and level 5 missions in hisec, so that they can experience the whole game without ever having to actually experience that dreaded PvP. They are naive, and many posts on these forums are made by bums looking for another cheap, WoWesque handout. The vast majority of the rest of the playerbase just enjoys playing the game, and have different ideas on how it should be played. And then are called griefers or bums by those who don't agree with them, as a way to demonize and debunk a good argument. Not every discussion is a whine or cry. Not every disagreement is a troll or flame. Not every pro-PvPer is a griefer or pirate. Not every pro-carebear is a bum. ........ 'ACCEPTABLE' PVPer .............. ^ ............../.\ ............./...\ ............/.....\ .........../....X.\ ........../.........\ ........./...........\ ... BUM ---------- NAUGHTY This is clearly demonstrated int the above diagram, with the (x) position signifying my position on this subject. As you can see I score low on BUM but high on NAUGHTY and medium on ACCEPTABLE. SKUNK
PonPon	Posted - 2008.08.10 04:32:00 - [28] Quote: People in 0.0 are angry because they have high amounts of risk* wereas in high sec the risk does not exist yet they can** match what a 0.0 player can earn. may not be that risky in deep alliance space high sec players cannot match moon mining in 0.0 though not everyone in 0.0 moon mines. Quote:* We care becuase they make as much ISK as we do with NO RISK WHATSOEVER. hoped the caps helped you out a bit there :P I find it funny that the first 2 replies almost demonstrate my case. Honest sounds like you 2 chose for the 0.0 life, your choice, I am not even getting into the debate about in a huge chunk of (secured) 0.0 one can make ISK with even less risk as you claim people have in Empire, although you obviously see I just cannot resist to mention this, but the point is WHY do you care so much about this. Are people doing something you cannot do also yourself (and we all know many PVPers do exactly this to fund thier habbits)? So why should this fact bother you? I am sure that at anytime of day at any given place in space, someone is is playing "My Precious" over thier 100 million, 1 billion, whatever amount of ISK... so what? One may have earned it with mining in 0.0, lucky officers drop, missioning in Empire, a weeks saved ransom, suicide gank, with nice loot drop, sold 5 GTC, renting out 0.0 space, the list is endless. All things anybody can do if they set thier mind to it, so WHY would you care how others get thier ISK (with exeption of ebayers/marco players, but exeptions make the rule as they say), in a fashion YOU chose NOT to use? Most stuff people complain about ingame are things people could have also chosen to do but did not, for thier own reasons, so why care about something that someone is doing that you do not wish to do ? Quote: Because this is a MMOG, and as such everyone has some effect on the game. Duh. Duh, I got that fact ages ago :P, ofcourse I play an MMOG. Fact is despite that, more then 99% of the people ingame do not know my char, how I play the game or even know I exist, so why care what I do? If I have ANY impact at all on thier EVE life they are not even aware of it. Ofcourse what the other 99% of the players do may effect my surroundings in EVE, but that is exactly the purpose of the game. May it be due to other players or changes made by CCP, it is the lifeblood of the game, it is why the game is alive, this is not what I am debating about. It is do players enjoy the game and adjust to the changes around them in this universe (playing EVE)? Or do players everytime that whatever bothers them go try change it so it fits THEM. Not by playing it ingame, but by demanding changes that suits THIER wishes and starting to discriminate other people cause they do something outside thier point of view. Because they care???
Kyle Klanen	Posted - 2008.08.10 05:19:00 - [29] Originally by: Steve Hawkings We care becuase they make as much ISK as we do with NO RISK WHATSOEVER. hoped the caps helped you out a bit there :P So its just jelousy or spite then? "waagggh waaagggh his grass might be greener than mine!!" I don't give a crap about the carebears if they want to pay their subscription to only play half the game and continually do the most mind numbing crap and keep shooting the same red crosses in the same stupid missions over and over that's up to them.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.10 05:33:00 - [30] Quote: So its just jelousy or spite then? "waagggh waaagggh his grass might be greener than mine!!" I don't give a crap about the carebears if they want to pay their subscription to only play half the game and continually do the most mind numbing crap and keep shooting the same red crosses in the same stupid missions over and over that's up to them. Le sigh. If there is a risk free huge ISK faucet then lowsec/0.0 PVP becomes meaningless, because you're no longer fighting for SOMETHING. If lowsec/0.0 were a shitton more profitable then people would be fighting over it for a reason, competition over limited resources results in awesome, meaningful PVP. If I want to just have a quick fight and pewpew some stuff, then I'll fire up TF2.



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