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Postradamus Asstronauts 4	Posted - 2012.03.21 18:22:00 - [1] - Quote My brother and a friend were banned a few days ago. The explanatory mail accused them of "Macroing". They weren't macroing. Here's what they were actually doing: 1. Find area in HIGHSEC where rats spawn 2. Turn on local tank 3. Launch a few sentry drones 4. Target each drone and apply remote reps to drones 5. Sit back and watch as wave after wave of rats attack the ship and/or the drones, and are blown up As you can clearly see, this setup requires NO CLICKING OF ANY KIND, much less automated clicking. Both players asked for an in-depth explanation of their bans, and received identical copypasta responses claiming that GMs had investigated and found evidence of "automation", and stating that further petitions would be ignored. YOU'D THINK LAUNCHING SENTRY DRONES AND REMOTE REPAIRING THEM IS OK, but I guess I need to get a Dev ruling on the acceptability of this practice. (If any dev actually reads this, please PM me with some advice on how I can help my associates get un-banned.)
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux 1105	Posted - 2012.03.21 18:24:00 - [2] - Quote I've thought about doing that in Cosmos areas. I guess it gets you banned. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
War Kitten Panda McLegion 650	Posted - 2012.03.21 18:28:00 - [3] - Quote Devs don't make game policy. They make games. What you want to do is click on the escalate button and get a senior GM involved. Here's your sign...
ITTigerClawIK Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers 89	Posted - 2012.03.21 18:29:00 - [4] - Quote hmmm interesting idea, i may have to try this
Postradamus Asstronauts 4	Posted - 2012.03.21 18:34:00 - [5] - Quote War Kitten wrote: Devs don't make game policy. They make games. What you want to do is click on the escalate button and get a senior GM involved. Yeah well that led to the "We'll be ignoring your future petitions" response.
Sirinda Offworld Miners and Fabricators Guild 39	Posted - 2012.03.21 18:35:00 - [6] - Quote If - IF - that happened exactly the way you described it, I can't see a ToS violation. Else I'd have to start my armor repper anew with each repair cycle during missions. Also, did you escalate?
Oregin Dropbear Drive-By 11	Posted - 2012.03.21 18:35:00 - [7] - Quote I can't see why this is bannable. You didn't use any additional programs. It's simply a case of a game mechanic allowing for afk behaviour to be profitable. In the same way that miners can leave their lasers running while they go and do other things. I realise that this allows much more protected periods of time ask than mining since their cargo fills up sooner or later but I doubt the profit is equivalent either. Would you be banned if you were just idling in a belt with drones out? Thats equally automated but altogether more dumb because you're not guaranteeing the safety of the drones.
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 614	Posted - 2012.03.21 18:41:00 - [8] - Quote If it happened as you claim (not saying it didn't), then CCP needs to get this fixed.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux 1106	Posted - 2012.03.21 18:45:00 - [9] - Quote One interesting approach would be to drop 2 Domis out with sentries + 5 RRs decdicated to drones and one for a Noctis. Then bring a Noctis in and loot while the domis AFK it. Use a Hauler to carry loot back to the station - so now you're quad boxing but only need to pay attention to 2 of them (noctis + hauler). -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
highonpop Void.Tech BLACK-MARK 28	Posted - 2012.03.21 18:45:00 - [10] - Quote Is the OP telling the truth? IDK, maybe, sounds very possible Will CCP reply to this and take action? Probably not, I've seen other "i got banned for nothing" threads and CCP rarely replies to them. good luck to you though, that sounds like an odd situation.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 245	Posted - 2012.03.21 18:47:00 - [11] - Quote Actually, that sounds like a great idea. Using a dominix with 5 medium reppers and 5 sentry drones. I've had trouble with the whole drones getting aggro, but this makes everything much simpler! (I dualbox dominixes, and both use sentry drones, one also has guns. It's a pain to pull both batches of drones and so on.) Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY
MadMuppet Kerguelen Station 185	Posted - 2012.03.21 18:49:00 - [12] - Quote So, if I found someone doing this and flew a toon there and used a remote rep on the guy remote repping the drones, would the drone attack me and send CONCORD to kill the guy ratting? Or did they fix that? I don't always finish my commentary, but when I do
Mai Khumm Apple Construction Inc Northern Associates. 190	Posted - 2012.03.21 18:50:00 - [13] - Quote I don't see how this is a bankable offense... You either indirectly pissed off a dev or 2. Or someone reported you and thought you were macroing. "Being drunk is a good disguise. I drink so I can talk to a**holes. This includes me."
Mentat Cthulhu Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2012.03.21 18:51:00 - [14] - Quote Obvious exploit of broken game mechanics just like using web.
Maggeridon Thoraz Reconfiguration Nation Transmission Lost 16	Posted - 2012.03.21 19:02:00 - [15] - Quote easy fix. remove remote repping modules from game. will fix also neutral remote reppers in hisec ...
Sirinda Offworld Miners and Fabricators Guild 39	Posted - 2012.03.21 19:04:00 - [16] - Quote Mentat Cthulhu wrote: Obvious exploit of broken game mechanics just like using web. 0/10 No effort put into it, post will at most cause exasperation, not anger or tears. Next time, write an essay about the topic you're trying to troll the forum with in such a way that most will realize they've been trolled only when they're reading the last line or so.
Postradamus Asstronauts 4	Posted - 2012.03.21 19:04:00 - [17] - Quote Mentat Cthulhu wrote: Obvious exploit of broken game mechanics just like using web. That may well be. But for the time being, I would like to minimize the number of clicks I must engage in by using drones; that's the playstyle I have chosen. I would also like to remote repair my drones when they take damage. If the devs can crawl out of the woodwork to declare the webbing mechanic an exploit, they can give a ruling here too. If it's an exploit, I won't do it, and neither will my mates when/if they get reinstated.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate 377	Posted - 2012.03.21 19:05:00 - [18] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Actually, that sounds like a great idea. Using a dominix with 5 medium reppers and 5 sentry drones. I've had trouble with the whole drones getting aggro, but this makes everything much simpler! It does sound like a good idea doesn't it? not so great against little gnat rats though I would guess. Put the domis far enough apart and it would be ok I suppose.
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 453	Posted - 2012.03.21 19:05:00 - [19] - Quote IBL! Gê¦Gê¦-áEvery Ship in GëíGêçGëí-áGê¦Gê¦ GëíGêçGëí-+ odd items
Arec Bardwin Perkone Caldari State 257	Posted - 2012.03.21 19:06:00 - [20] - Quote I saw variations on this years ago in certain COSMOS plexes. Does this mean leaving a Domi afk in a mission room is a bannable offense now?
Henry Haphorn Aliastra Gallente Federation 238	Posted - 2012.03.21 19:06:00 - [21] - Quote Mai Khumm wrote: I don't see how this is a banable offense... You either indirectly pissed off a dev or 2. Or someone reported you and thought you were macroing. This might be the case. After all, leaving a ship to RR sentries sitting there killing any npc rat that comes along will seem like automation to those passing by the belts. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you.
Postradamus Asstronauts 4	Posted - 2012.03.21 19:10:00 - [22] - Quote Arec Bardwin wrote: I saw variations on this years ago in certain COSMOS plexes. Does this mean leaving a Domi afk in a mission room is a bannable offense now? Sure looks that way. My mates found places where rats spawned that were slow enough to die to sentries yet weak enough to not break a minimal local tank OR the RR on the drones. They caught bans across every account associated with their email address. I think 8 accounts total. Some of those accounts they were planning on combining; guess that isn't going to happen now.
Arec Bardwin Perkone Caldari State 257	Posted - 2012.03.21 19:11:00 - [23] - Quote Henry Haphorn wrote: leaving a ship to RR sentries sitting there killing any npc rat that comes along will seem like automation to those passing by the belts. It is automation. The automated behavior of drones/sentries; which is an in game feature.
Postradamus Asstronauts 4	Posted - 2012.03.21 19:13:00 - [24] - Quote Henry Haphorn wrote: Mai Khumm wrote: I don't see how this is a banable offense... You either indirectly pissed off a dev or 2. Or someone reported you and thought you were macroing. This might be the case. After all, leaving a ship to RR sentries sitting there killing any npc rat that comes along will seem like automation to those passing by the belts. I totally agree. But the GMs are supposed to have EVIDENCE before the ban is handed down. I KNOW these guys aren't using macros. The whole point was to NOT use macros! Either this was a lazy GM, or there is a policy that is not being articulated. If it's the latter, all I'm asking for is a clear ruling. If it's the former, I'd like my mates' bans overturned.
Vetorept Fera Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy 2	Posted - 2012.03.21 19:14:00 - [25] - Quote Where in highsec do rats spawn frequently enough, over and over to make this worthwile? Esse vel non esse, id est, de quo preoccupies nostrum.
MadMuppet Kerguelen Station 185	Posted - 2012.03.21 19:16:00 - [26] - Quote So you go get a mining mission and sit in it all day while rats spawn in it with something like this? I wonder if you tractor in the wrecks if they (GMs) would leave you alone. EDIT: Math fail. Would need to use Micro transfers to keep up the tank. [Dominix, Drone AFK (Sansha)] Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II Small Tractor Beam I Micro Shield Transporter I Micro Shield Transporter I Micro Shield Transporter I Micro Shield Transporter I Micro Shield Transporter I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Curator I x5 I don't always finish my commentary, but when I do
Arec Bardwin Perkone Caldari State 257	Posted - 2012.03.21 19:17:00 - [27] - Quote Vetorept Fera wrote: Where in highsec do rats spawn frequently enough, over and over to make this worthwile? Certain COSMOS plexes come to mind.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate 377	Posted - 2012.03.21 19:17:00 - [28] - Quote Reading the thread and some old reports from way back around the time T2 BPCs and invention was introduced ... if this happened in a COSMOS site, then this exact thing has been banned before. If it was some mission, then I don't see why it would be an issue, mission can only spit out so much, cosmos does it 24/7.
malaire 262	Posted - 2012.03.21 19:17:00 - [29] - Quote If you can't escalate petition. then contact Internal affairs via email. New to EVE? Don't forget to read: The Manual * The Wiki * The Career Options * and everything else
Zleon Leigh 92	Posted - 2012.03.21 19:20:00 - [30] - Quote Sounds like a great idea as written. GM's need to get on Sisi and actually see if what has been written works - do something instead of just deny and condem. I had a case where GM's vehemently denied that there was a game problem, went through two GM's and an escalation - they stood their ground denying it. Needless to say I was pissed. I finally remembered a fact about the situation that proved to them that their position was totally without defense, that I was telling the factual truth the whole time. They capitulated and reimbursed me - lacking only an apology for either being too lazy or incompetent to really investigate the problem. The GM's are so stuck in "all the players are out to scam us" mode that they can't see the truth that the game is full of holes and bugs that the customers are getting trapped in. Thus - no faith or goodwill to CCP at all. Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital. CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day

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