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Sirus Orion
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Posted - 2004.06.02 16:09:00 -
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I would appreciate any pointers. Obviously AB but that's not fast enough for me. MWD wont fit on a hauler right, will booster rockets fit? I know I can upgrade to light haul. Anything else?
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Drusilla
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Posted - 2004.06.02 16:23:00 -
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If you load an Iteron 5's low slots with enough reactor control units to reach 150 power grid you can fit a MWD on it.
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Naz Farooq
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Posted - 2004.06.02 16:54:00 -
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You can fit a 10MN MWD on an Iteron V or a Mammoth, which makes either of them 'fast'. I forget my exact loadout on the Mammoth, but expect to need Engineering 5 and some Micro Aux Powercores. The Iteron V is easy, but the whole 'training for a month' thing is annoying.
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Sirus Orion
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Posted - 2004.06.02 17:12:00 -
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I'm caldari so were talking badgers here. Too much time to learn skills to be able to get an iteron :(
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Evangelist
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Posted - 2004.06.02 17:21:00 -
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For speed on the iteron V four 1MN MWD and a 10MN AB with 5 overdrives fitted will take you to 1900m/s (and quickly) using all cap, great for selling minerals This is with Nav 5 and Acceleration Control 4.
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Sqalevon
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Posted - 2004.06.02 17:21:00 -
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Overdrives 30 m/s - at the expense of cargospace
Basic overdrives 20 m/s - at the expense of cargospace
Nanofibers 20 m/s - no real drawback
Basic nanofibers 15 m/s - no real drawback
these can be found under hullupgrades on the market.
all of the above are lowslot modules, and require no activation
then there are the medium slot modules
AB 1mn ( useless, roughly 2m/s bonus )
MWD 1mn ( roughly same as a 10mn AB, but at the expense of cap and shield )
AB 10mn ( "high" fitting requirements - 40PG, and 50PG for the tech2 version )
MWD 10mn ( only for mammoths and iteron mark 5's )
all can be found under propulsion on the market.
now, for the 10mn MWD, wich has a PG requirement for 150.
its only possible to fit it on 2 industrials, the Mammoth and the Iteron mark 5.
Mammoth
Train engineering lvl5, this gives u a boost to your Powergrid, wich u need.
Equip 2 Micro Power Auxilery Core and 2 Reactor Control units ( Energy upgrades on market )
Now u will have 151 PG, this is the only setup that makes u use a 10mn MWD on a Mammoth.
Iteron Mark 5
Engineering lvl5 isnt required here, but it helps alot :)
this time, fit any combination of Reactor controll units or power auxilery's, u have enough lowslots to compensate for inefficiency.
the ideal situation again is 2 power auxilery's and 2 "RCU" 's, wich gives u well over 150PG, and a spare lowslot, use this for another RCU and fit a 1mn MWD in the medslot, or use it for cargo expanders/overdrive injectors.
I think this help :)
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Sqalevon
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Posted - 2004.06.02 17:23:00 -
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If your flying a badger, I think u wont be going any faster then your skills + 2 10mn AB's + 3 overdrives let you
( or equip 6 1mn MWD's and see your cap drop to scary depths :) )
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Sirus Orion
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Posted - 2004.06.02 17:48:00 -
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Thanks everyone
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Rikon
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Posted - 2004.06.02 18:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Sirus Orion
I'm caldari so were talking badgers here. Too much time to learn skills to be able to get an iteron :(
When I have to I use a badger 2 If don't need full cargo capacity I usually fit 2 Overdrives( or sometimes nanofibers) and 2 x 10 ABs.
Not real fast but a lot better than without them (think gets up to about 300 - 350 m/s). Plus the AB's dont kill the cap as fast as a mwd does as can put up with the slower acceleration.
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.06.02 19:26:00 -
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You shouldn't need 2 Micro Auxillary Power Cores. They are only better than Reactor Control Units when grid is less than 100 before you put it in...
My Mammoth has 96 grid before upgrades at Eng 4. So one MAPC would put it at 106.
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Wu'lali
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Posted - 2004.06.02 19:34:00 -
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Could somebody give me some pointers on how to best equip my Bestower?
Is a MWD possible or not ?
Or alternatives??
Thx
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JackDonkey
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Posted - 2004.06.02 20:36:00 -
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Before Castor you could speed up the hauler a little by ramming into it with a dual mwd'd battleship, I imagine you still could but you wouldn't get as much of a head start. We got an iteron 3 up to 2000m/s with a dominix once, pre castor remember.
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Larno
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Posted - 2004.06.02 22:41:00 -
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Edited by: Larno on 02/06/2004 22:52:11
Edited by: Larno on 02/06/2004 22:44:32
Originally by: Sqalevon
.....now, for the 10mn MWD, wich has a PG requirement for 150.
its only possible to fit it on 2 industrials, the Mammoth and the Iteron mark 5.
Mammoth
Train engineering lvl5, this gives u a boost to your Powergrid, wich u need.
Equip 2 Micro Power Auxilery Core and 2 Reactor Control units ( Energy upgrades on market )
Now u will have 151 PG, this is the only setup that makes u use a 10mn MWD on a Mammoth.
Iteron Mark 5
Engineering lvl5 isnt required here, but it helps alot :)
this time, fit any combination of Reactor controll units or power auxilery's, u have enough lowslots to compensate for inefficiency.
the ideal situation again is 2 power auxilery's and 2 "RCU" 's, wich gives u well over 150PG, and a spare lowslot, use this for another RCU and fit a 1mn MWD in the medslot, or use it for cargo expanders/overdrive injectors.....
The Iteron Mark V is the ideal ship to go with under any circumstances, except training time of course, but the difference isn't huge (I will explain). Possible ways of getting 150 PG...
Mammoth
(Optimal) Engineering 5, 2 RCU, 2 MAPC = 151.25 PG
(Optimal) Engineering 5, 1 RCU, 3 MAPC = 151.25 PG
(Alternate) Engineering 5, 4 MAPC = 150 PG
Iteron Mark V
(Easiest) Engineering 2, 5 RCU = 150.58 PG
(Optimal) Engineering 5, 3 RCU, 2 MAPC = 174.69 PG
With the easy option for the Mark V, you can save yourself Engineering 3,4 and 5 aswell as Energy Management 4. Thats about 9 days of training. The Mark V is a better ship and thus you don't end up having to train for much longer to get the required results.
Originally by: Wu'lali
Could somebody give me some pointers on how to best equip my Bestower?
Is a MWD possible or not ?
Or alternatives??
Thx
1MN MicroWarpDrive is quite possible, giving you the speed boost to about 325m/s but it will kill your cap (cap will be dead after 5-6km. The better option is two 10MN ABs which will give you about 250m/s and will last a lot longer (if you have MWD skill, at least 40% longer from prerequisite skills, and they dont have a 25% cap penalty).
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Shevaun Ashnirelim
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Posted - 2004.06.02 22:43:00 -
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All the advice in this thread is worthless. On a Badger Mk2, your speed solution is:
Hislots - nothing.
Medslots - 3x 1mn Microwarpdrives (named), 1x Medium Cap Battery I(named), 2x Small Cap Battery II.
Lowslots - 2x Micro Aux Power Core, 1x Nanofiber Internal.
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Larno
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Posted - 2004.06.02 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Larno on 02/06/2004 22:50:37
Originally by: Shevaun Ashnirelim
All the advice in this thread is worthless. On a Badger Mk2, your speed solution is:
Hislots - nothing.
Medslots - 3x 1mn Microwarpdrives (named), 1x Medium Cap Battery I(named), 2x Small Cap Battery II.
Lowslots - 2x Micro Aux Power Core, 1x Nanofiber Internal.
Talking about worthless advice... you are sacrificing a hell of a lot of your cargo space (due to no expanders in low slots) for a minimal increase in speed. Better to have 3 expanders, and 2 MWDs or 2 ABs. Or if anything, 3 10MN AB, 2 MAPC and 1 Overdrive (believe me, 3 MWD will kill your cap, you will be left with 42% of your original cap).
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.06.03 00:12:00 -
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The best advice in this thread is to train for a mammoth. Its not as good as an Iteron 5, but you can get it in 4-5 days of training.
I personally wouldnt fly a badger-2 without a full set of instajumps... the only haulers with any survivability and speed without instas are mammoths and iteron 5s.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.06.03 00:14:00 -
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Edited by: Pandora Panda on 03/06/2004 00:16:56
Yarrrrrr doubleposts are t3h suk
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.06.03 00:47:00 -
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You can only get a Badger 2 up to 130 pg. Unless there are some named or tech 2 MAPCs I don't know about.
There is no perfect way to haul, if you fill up the lows of a Mammoth with MAPCs and run an MWD, there won't be any room for warpcore stabilizers, where will that leave you?
Your best bet is insta jumps and a combination of warpcore stabilizers and inertia stabilizers (so you can get into warp faster). My Badger 2 has a named inertia stabilizer and two warpcore stabilizers. It gets into warp in about 8 seconds (which is still an eternity when someone is shooting you).
If you are cruising around empire with no instas then the MWD setup is the way to go.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.06.03 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: Shevaun Ashnirelim
All the advice in this thread is worthless. On a Badger Mk2, your speed solution is:
Hislots - nothing.
Medslots - 3x 1mn Microwarpdrives (named), 1x Medium Cap Battery I(named), 2x Small Cap Battery II.
Lowslots - 2x Micro Aux Power Core, 1x Nanofiber Internal.
That is possibly the worst setup I have ever seen. Maybe it's good if you stick to the same three high security systems all the time.
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Durania
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Posted - 2004.06.03 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: ActiveX
You shouldn't need 2 Micro Auxillary Power Cores. They are only better than Reactor Control Units when grid is less than 100 before you put it in...
My Mammoth has 96 grid before upgrades at Eng 4. So one MAPC would put it at 106.
Difference is how the boost to PowerGrid is applied. the MicroAux cores apply a straight boost of 10 to the base powergrid before skills so you need to look at the base stat on the mammoth which is 80.
This means the first 2 micro aux cores will have a bigger effect than other grid boosting modules.
I really don't like thinking how many missions I've done over time, or how long they've taken on average. |
KR SUN
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Posted - 2004.06.03 10:18:00 -
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Good bookmarks are way way way way better then all these fancy setups. The hauler should fly by marks on a good designed route, not try to break speed barier.
Why? Well in secure space speed is not essential and in non-secure space all these setups are doomed without a bookmarks.
$.02
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Elithiomel
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Posted - 2004.06.03 10:38:00 -
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Micro Aux Power Cores I vs. Reactor Control I
Micro aux power core is more efficent up to the point where your powergrid passes 100 * (1 + 0.05 * Engineering Skill level).
After that Reactor controls are better.
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Naz Farooq
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Posted - 2004.06.03 16:03:00 -
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Yeah, it's rather wacky the way effects stack. Far as I can tell, Aux Powercores add to base, engineering modifies base, and then Reactor controls modify the engineered amount. In the example of the Mammoth:
80 Base + 2 Aux Powercores = 100 Grid
100 Grid * 1.25 (Engineering 5) = 125 Grid
125 Grid * 1.20 (Two Reactor Controls) = 150 Grid
Note tho that RCU's and Engineering stack at different times and so stack each other's effect. If you use 3 Aux Powercores and 1 RCU you get 151 grid. If you use 4 Aux Powercores you get 150 grid. So, anyway, everyone should train to Engineering 5 as it makes your RCU's and PDU's even better.
Sure, everyone supports saving Einstein's brain, but when you put it in the body of a Great White Shark, suddenly you've "gone too far". |
Toastmaster
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Posted - 2004.06.04 01:44:00 -
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Use Bookmarks warping to where you want to go is fastest way
"viper zulu > toast has killed our whole corporation ships at least once"
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MinorFreak
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Posted - 2004.11.27 13:10:00 -
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bookmarks are fine and all...i'm quite practiced at them. *shrug* not the point tho.
The most important question is: how fast do the 10mn equipped industrials go? Iteron V, Mammoth and Bestower.
I've got a Bestower and Engineering 5. Wondering if buying RCU IIs at 850k isk a pop is worth it...
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MinorFreak
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Posted - 2004.11.27 13:10:00 -
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bookmarks are fine and all...i'm quite practiced at them. *shrug* not the point tho.
The most important question is: how fast do the 10mn equipped industrials go? Iteron V, Mammoth and Bestower.
I've got a Bestower and Engineering 5. Wondering if buying RCU IIs at 850k isk a pop is worth it...
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
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Posted - 2004.11.27 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: ActiveX
You shouldn't need 2 Micro Auxillary Power Cores. They are only better than Reactor Control Units when grid is less than 100 before you put it in...
My Mammoth has 96 grid before upgrades at Eng 4. So one MAPC would put it at 106.
108 actually, MAPC also gets benefit from Engineering.
The loadout on most of my Haulers include low-slots clean for Nanofibre/Overdrive/Expander and in mid the best combi in 10 mn AB and if possible topped off with a 1 mn MWD. And Cap Rechargers or whatever you feel like for show.
I can get over 1000m/sec in my Mammoth with Overdrives, which is fast enough for my taste.
10 mn MWD totally screws up the flexibility your low-slots offer.
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
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Posted - 2004.11.27 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: ActiveX
You shouldn't need 2 Micro Auxillary Power Cores. They are only better than Reactor Control Units when grid is less than 100 before you put it in...
My Mammoth has 96 grid before upgrades at Eng 4. So one MAPC would put it at 106.
108 actually, MAPC also gets benefit from Engineering.
The loadout on most of my Haulers include low-slots clean for Nanofibre/Overdrive/Expander and in mid the best combi in 10 mn AB and if possible topped off with a 1 mn MWD. And Cap Rechargers or whatever you feel like for show.
I can get over 1000m/sec in my Mammoth with Overdrives, which is fast enough for my taste.
10 mn MWD totally screws up the flexibility your low-slots offer.
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
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Posted - 2004.11.27 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Naz Farooq
Yeah, it's rather wacky the way effects stack. Far as I can tell, Aux Powercores add to base, engineering modifies base, and then Reactor controls modify the engineered amount. In the example of the Mammoth:
80 Base + 2 Aux Powercores = 100 Grid
100 Grid * 1.25 (Engineering 5) = 125 Grid
125 Grid * 1.20 (Two Reactor Controls) = 150 Grid
Note tho that RCU's and Engineering stack at different times and so stack each other's effect. If you use 3 Aux Powercores and 1 RCU you get 151 grid. If you use 4 Aux Powercores you get 150 grid. So, anyway, everyone should train to Engineering 5 as it makes your RCU's and PDU's even better.
Actually: 151.25 MW since the reactor control units enhance eachother.
((base+MAPC+MAPC)*Engineering)*(RCU I*RCU I)
((80+10+10)*1.25)*(1.10*1.10)=151.25
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
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Posted - 2004.11.27 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Naz Farooq
Yeah, it's rather wacky the way effects stack. Far as I can tell, Aux Powercores add to base, engineering modifies base, and then Reactor controls modify the engineered amount. In the example of the Mammoth:
80 Base + 2 Aux Powercores = 100 Grid
100 Grid * 1.25 (Engineering 5) = 125 Grid
125 Grid * 1.20 (Two Reactor Controls) = 150 Grid
Note tho that RCU's and Engineering stack at different times and so stack each other's effect. If you use 3 Aux Powercores and 1 RCU you get 151 grid. If you use 4 Aux Powercores you get 150 grid. So, anyway, everyone should train to Engineering 5 as it makes your RCU's and PDU's even better.
Actually: 151.25 MW since the reactor control units enhance eachother.
((base+MAPC+MAPC)*Engineering)*(RCU I*RCU I)
((80+10+10)*1.25)*(1.10*1.10)=151.25
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