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Asuka SoryuLangley	Posted - 2008.08.12 09:35:00 - [1] CCP nerfed the arazu to hell: it was able to "disable" a ship from a very long distance. This is the same for the falcon, so why it hasn't been balanced like the arazu yet?! Falcon sits 100km and MORE away from the fight, and what you can do is watch your ship dying being able to do a wonderful nothing. Reduce his range at least, or his strenght, and don't talk me about eccm becouse they are useless vs a falcon. It is clearly overpowerd, and before people start whining i would like to say that me too love them, like i used to love the arazu, but they are unmbalanced. To be short: CCP you nerfed the arazu, now you must be coherent and nerf the falcon too FOR THE SAME REASONS!
Wil Smithx Minmatar Suns Of Korhal	Posted - 2008.08.12 09:44:00 - [2] LOL able to disable A ship from a long distance, that just doesnt say it like locking down a 5 man gang while your eos friend eats them.
Waxau Unus - Vir Exercitus	Posted - 2008.08.12 09:50:00 - [3] Dear god.... 1. Why does ANOTHER thread need to be made about the Falcon? 2. Do you even have knowledge of previous nerfs? Let me point something out to you. 2005/2006 - EVERYONE fitted ECM on their ships. Nos Domis were the ultimate ships, being able to wield ECM, Nos, and a full tank, whilst maximising their dps with 5 Ogres. To counter this, both ECM (and later on..) nos was nerfed. Note - ECM was nerfed. As such, no ecm was useful. I flew my falcon loads, but for the reasons that i felt unique in doing so. You rarely saw a scorp, or a blackbird, and let alone the t2 variants. Several years/months later, CCP got the message, and boosted ECM for ECM ships. Not ECM itself. As such, the ships recieved greater bonuses. However, they made one mistake - Which was to nerf the current FotM in EW. In other words, Arazu's and Damps, which were EVERYWHERE, were nuked (I fitted damps on my cerbs, nighthawks, crows...everything. It was a ship that (unlike the falcon at the time) could shut down a ship indeffinately, including carriers. Id be sitting in my Chimera, with a sensor booster, and be damped to hell and back by a single arazu. 1.5 bil of investment, made useless by one ship, at 50km. So - CCP nuked damps and the Arazu, and boosted the falcon. Thus, the 'difference' between them is soley that of you and the community. You fitted the FotM to an extent where it needed to be nerfed. You got your asses kicked. Now a new FotM is kicking your asses. Get some background knowledge before claiming the arazu was nerfed, and so the falcon must be too. Its EXACTLY the same nerf, for EXACTLY the same reasons, the Falcon had in previous years. We've come out of the other side of the nerf. Now you wait your turn too. And ps - I fly an arazu more than a falcon nowdays. So im not being biased.
Asuka SoryuLangley	Posted - 2008.08.12 09:51:00 - [4] Try do some real pvp before posting, next time, you look ridicoulus this way ;)
Asuka SoryuLangley	Posted - 2008.08.12 09:52:00 - [5] Hey man, the ecm change was good, but the way the falcon works is not!
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.12 09:53:00 - [6] Originally by: Waxau Dear god.... 1. Why does ANOTHER thread need to be made about the Falcon? 2. Do you even have knowledge of previous nerfs? Let me point something out to you. 2005/2006 - EVERYONE fitted ECM on their ships. Nos Domis were the ultimate ships, being able to wield ECM, Nos, and a full tank, whilst maximising their dps with 5 Ogres. To counter this, both ECM (and later on..) nos was nerfed. Note - ECM was nerfed. As such, no ecm was useful. I flew my falcon loads, but for the reasons that i felt unique in doing so. You rarely saw a scorp, or a blackbird, and let alone the t2 variants. Several years/months later, CCP got the message, and boosted ECM for ECM ships. Not ECM itself. As such, the ships recieved greater bonuses. However, they made one mistake - Which was to nerf the current FotM in EW. In other words, Arazu's and Damps, which were EVERYWHERE, were nuked (I fitted damps on my cerbs, nighthawks, crows...everything. It was a ship that (unlike the falcon at the time) could shut down a ship indeffinately, including carriers. Id be sitting in my Chimera, with a sensor booster, and be damped to hell and back by a single arazu. 1.5 bil of investment, made useless by one ship, at 50km. So - CCP nuked damps and the Arazu, and boosted the falcon. Thus, the 'difference' between them is soley that of you and the community. You fitted the FotM to an extent where it needed to be nerfed. You got your asses kicked. Now a new FotM is kicking your asses. Get some background knowledge before claiming the arazu was nerfed, and so the falcon must be too. Its EXACTLY the same nerf, for EXACTLY the same reasons, the Falcon had in previous years. We've come out of the other side of the nerf. Now you wait your turn too. And ps - I fly an arazu more than a falcon nowdays. So im not being biased. That said, I bet all these whines will mean another nerf for the falcon.. Doesnt really bother me but meh..shit happens poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.12 09:55:00 - [7] Edited by: BiggestT on 12/08/2008 09:55:32 nvm, [dbl post] poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
Waxau Unus - Vir Exercitus	Posted - 2008.08.12 09:55:00 - [8] biggestT - Thats the problem. If the Falcon recieves another nerf, it will be stupid, as this will be about the 5th DIRECT nerf its had. Make no mistake, im all up for the Arazu being boosted. But the OP has a clearly foolish and pointless mindset of 'Its stronger, NERF IT!'. And even more so, when he insults people who argue his point. Nice way at convincing us
Waxau Unus - Vir Exercitus	Posted - 2008.08.12 09:56:00 - [9] Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley Hey man, the ecm change was good, but the way the falcon works is not! Make it stats based, and im all for that, like in the old days. I have a jam strength of 15, and that vaga has a strength of 14...excellent - Permajam. 6 more jammers like that.
Asuka SoryuLangley	Posted - 2008.08.12 09:57:00 - [10] Originally by: Waxau Id be sitting in my Chimera, with a sensor booster, and be damped to hell and back by a single arazu. 1.5 bil of investment, made useless by one ship, at 50km. So i'd be sitting in my megathron, 2 billion of investment in modules and rigs and implants, made uselss by one ship, at 100km.
Lance Hawke Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:00:00 - [11] Don't nerf the falcon. Boost the arazu!
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:01:00 - [12] Edited by: BiggestT on 12/08/2008 10:03:35 Originally by: Waxau And even more so, when he insults people who argue his point. Nice way at convincing us Ye been there done that, didnt work hehe, Classic whine example: "10 man gang with that vs another 10man gang that has a falcon will lose most times (especailly post-nerf, no nanoes to bump), poor fof range, eccm not powerful enough blah". With whines that say stuff like that its hard to imagine no-nerf will result. For this reason i havent even bothered training for a falcon, even tho itd only take a month or two, as ive got maxed ecm support skills etc However i tend to think that post-nerf ppl wil have room to fit more eccm with less webs etc taking up slots..So it may just escape ccp's bat of nerfness edit: typo poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
Schneiderr Asgard Schiffswerften Ev0ke	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Wil Smithx LOL able to disable A ship from a long distance, that just doesnt say it like locking down a 5 man gang while your eos friend eats them. seems those 5 gang mates dont have that much intelligence to throw into the fight and deserve to die anyways - nothing you said has anything to do with the ew-ship mentioned. ps. who is this LOL guy btw?
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:02:00 - [14] Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley Originally by: Waxau Id be sitting in my Chimera, with a sensor booster, and be damped to hell and back by a single arazu. 1.5 bil of investment, made useless by one ship, at 50km. So i'd be sitting in my megathron, 2 billion of investment in modules and rigs and implants, made uselss by one ship, at 100km. Ur a noob then for having 2bill investments in just a megathron. Hey guys ima gonna take me outta ma navy raven and shoot ppl in the head dad gum poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
Waxau Unus - Vir Exercitus	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:03:00 - [15] Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley Originally by: Waxau Id be sitting in my Chimera, with a sensor booster, and be damped to hell and back by a single arazu. 1.5 bil of investment, made useless by one ship, at 50km. So i'd be sitting in my megathron, 2 billion of investment in modules and rigs and implants, made uselss by one ship, at 100km. Yes, but the megathron isnt a capital ship now, is it? But if we're sticking to that line of thought - I dont want my hookbill, thats worth 500 mil, to be killed by ANY ship thats worth less than that. k? Good. And btw - Since when are you worried about implants, from an arazu? Afraid he'll damp your pod so you cant fight back?
Asuka SoryuLangley	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:10:00 - [16] Originally by: BiggestT Ur a noob then for having 2bill investments in just a megathron. This is an alt, never heard about them? Strange...
Asuka SoryuLangley	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:12:00 - [17] Originally by: Waxau Yes, but the megathron isnt a capital ship now, is it? Does it matter?
Wil Smithx Minmatar Suns Of Korhal	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:13:00 - [18] Originally by: Waxau Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley Originally by: Waxau Id be sitting in my Chimera, with a sensor booster, and be damped to hell and back by a single arazu. 1.5 bil of investment, made useless by one ship, at 50km. So i'd be sitting in my megathron, 2 billion of investment in modules and rigs and implants, made uselss by one ship, at 100km. Yes, but the megathron isnt a capital ship now, is it? But if we're sticking to that line of thought - I dont want my hookbill, thats worth 500 mil, to be killed by ANY ship thats worth less than that. k? Good. And btw - Since when are you worried about implants, from an arazu? Afraid he'll damp your pod so you cant fight back? Monty Python - I'll bite ya legs off!
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:13:00 - [19] Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley Originally by: BiggestT Ur a noob then for having 2bill investments in just a megathron. This is an alt, never heard about them? Strange... Oh so u pvp in ur alt with 2bill invested on a single megathron.. That still falls under title:NOOB specialisation: DYING (with expensive fits) poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
Asuka SoryuLangley	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:14:00 - [20] BTW Guys, these are the possibilities: 1. you are all blind 2. you are not pvper 3. you are scared about a possible BALANCE I vote for 3.
Asuka SoryuLangley	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:15:00 - [21] Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley Originally by: BiggestT Ur a noob then for having 2bill investments in just a megathron. This is an alt, never heard about them? Strange... Oh so u pvp in ur alt with 2bill invested on a single megathron.. That still falls under title:NOOB specialisation: DYING (with expensive fits) and you fail in understanding. gratz.
dojocan81	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:17:00 - [22] Dear CCP, starting a stupid thread over and over again needs a counter, a.s.a.p thx
Waxau Unus - Vir Exercitus	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:20:00 - [23] Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley BTW Guys, these are the possibilities: 1. you are all blind 2. you are not pvper 3. you are scared about a possible BALANCE I vote for 3. And you're one of well...one thing: Someone who cant pvp, tried to be 'in with the crowd' so starts a falcon whine thread, and fails at forming a coherant arguement.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:21:00 - [24] Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley Originally by: BiggestT Ur a noob then for having 2bill investments in just a megathron. This is an alt, never heard about them? Strange... Oh so u pvp in ur alt with 2bill invested on a single megathron.. That still falls under title:NOOB specialisation: DYING (with expensive fits) and you fail in understanding. gratz. so what im not understanding is? You say that losing a mega with 2bill isnt fair. Yet you fail to realise how stupid it is to invest 2bill into one. Obvious, troll is obvious poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Tri Optimum Ev0ke	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:32:00 - [25] the falcon is the only ship that a.) can disable a large percentage of all shiptypes in game. in less than 5 seconds. even from 200km away. AND b.) it can cloak. while scorpion or rook are "vulnerable" to scouting (well .. as long they don't use a "lolfakefalcon"-fit with a cloak) a falcon is not. the difference in price between rook and falcon seem to indicate the relevance of this ability. ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:38:00 - [26] Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte the falcon is the only ship that a.) can disable a large percentage of all shiptypes in game. in less than 5 seconds. even from 200km away. AND b.) it can cloak. while scorpion or rook are "vulnerable" to scouting (well .. as long they don't use a "lolfakefalcon"-fit with a cloak) a falcon is not. the difference in price between rook and falcon seem to indicate the relevance of this ability. If your looking at diff. in price consider below: vulture: around 100mill (or less) Nighthawk: around 180 mill (or more) Atm the vulture is probably the better pvp ship, having a better niche than the nh, and still able to be semi-useful in pvp, it will always be the favoured option of an fc in any gang. Price is irrelevent here, and plz read up for my idea post-nerf for anti-falcon measures.. poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Tri Optimum Ev0ke	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:44:00 - [27] Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte the falcon is the only ship that a.) can disable a large percentage of all shiptypes in game. in less than 5 seconds. even from 200km away. AND b.) it can cloak. while scorpion or rook are "vulnerable" to scouting (well .. as long they don't use a "lolfakefalcon"-fit with a cloak) a falcon is not. the difference in price between rook and falcon seem to indicate the relevance of this ability. If your looking at diff. in price consider below: vulture: around 100mill (or less) Nighthawk: around 180 mill (or more) Atm the vulture is probably the better pvp ship, having a better niche than the nh, and still able to be semi-useful in pvp, it will always be the favoured option of an fc in any gang. Price is irrelevent here, and plz read up for my idea post-nerf for anti-falcon measures.. 1. i said "indicate" ;) 2. NH & vulture are imho a bad comparison in this case, as afaik the NH seems to be a decent missionrunner ship (correct me if i'm wrong) so in this case the price is also "modulated" by non-PvP-needs, while rook and falcon are almost exclusivly used in PvP. ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Tractory	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:44:00 - [28] CCP didnt directly nerf the arazu they overlooked it when they rebalanced sensor damps as we all know. Your fail nerf whine falls down on this basic premise alone, and a statement along the lines of "you nerfed the arazu, now you must be coherent blah blah ..." looks silly at best.
Captator Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:51:00 - [29] Originally by: Waxau Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley BTW Guys, these are the possibilities: 1. you are all blind 2. you are not pvper 3. you are scared about a possible BALANCE I vote for 3. And you're one of well...one thing: Someone who cant pvp, tried to be 'in with the crowd' so starts a falcon whine thread, and fails at forming a coherant arguement. Waxau, don't bother, the OP is either trolling, and I hope this is the case because the other option is that they actually mean what they are saying, and that would make them an imbecile, and one who clearly cannot respond to reason/logic/fact. Sad isn't it
o0TuNa0o Idle Miners	Posted - 2008.08.12 10:55:00 - [30] These people and they're constant whines... Time after time...

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