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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.12 12:56:00 -
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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 12/08/2008 13:02:05
Just wondered, as I can't think of a single amarr ship that stands out in it's field among the other races.
Let me give you an examples of ships that stand out to me in other races.
Ishkur - Probably the most ganky frigate with its compliment of 5 drones and still being able to mount 3 guns and a nos.
(I think about Amarrs assault ships, and one is a glorified punisher, and the other is a tackler with no room for a scram aswell as a mwd)
Falcon - Able to Jam entire small fleets of enemy ships.
Rapier/Huginn - The last word in anti nano warfare.
( think about amarrs force recon, and we've got the curse which stood out pre nos nerf, but is nothing overly special anymore, tracking disrupters don't work against caldari and there are a great many caldari in this game)
HAC's
Zealot nanoes, nano is being nerfed, doesn't really hold a candle to the Deimos I'd say.
Sacrilege, It's mega tank might have been impressive before Heavy Interdictors.
The command ships all seem as roughly competitive.
The Harbinger is about as good as a Brutix in battlecruisers.
Marauders - Caldari got the best hand with these.
Battleships
Armageddon - I'd rather have a dominix, easily out tanks it, and with all those blasters + nos I doubt the dps is that far off either.
Apocalypse - Was bloody awful before the apoc buff, now it might actually almost stand out because of it's range, although the damage is patheric at such a range and ravens and such can go about as far while keeping their damage potential, ok they won't solo alpha frigates, but it'll still punch.
Abaddon - Maybe this is the ship that stands out for Amarr, noone except Minmatar usually use their tech 3 battleships, Abaddon has moderate dps, hardly the best, but while still being able to hit a multitude of targets at a large spectrum of medium to long distances while actually having a decent tank? Even if it took the most expensive ship, is this the one?
I would say no, because even with just Mega Beams and not Tachyons, It practically takes 3 capacitor control circuits, all mid slots full of cap rechargers and cap power relays in lows for it to fire those guns before it's capacitor is wiped out in about 30 seconds, even with good energy skills.
So I leave it to you people to change my mind. Maybe I should've trained gallente once upon a time.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.12 12:59:00 -
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Magnate + Silver/Gold editions.
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hired goon
Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:04:00 -
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Augoror, the only ship in the game that has never been flown by anyone. -omg-
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Cpt Branko
Surge. NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy
HAC's
Zealot nanoes, nano is being nerfed, doesn't really hold a candle to the Deimos I'd say.
You're joking, right? The Zealot is much much more feasible then a Diemost.
First, it has range, and solid damage at range. The Diemost has to be point-blank really, which is why people call it "Diemost".
Secondly, it can fit buffer+gank and rely on range control, while a Diemost has huge issues fitting a proper buffer while ganking, which is a huge issue up close. Trying to kill a Zealot in a Diemost, particularly after the ships are slowed down in general and webs don't work nearly as well, is a good recipe for disaster.
Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Sacrilege, It's mega tank might have been impressive before Heavy Interdictors.
It's still fairly impressive now, as HICs do shit damage.
Originally by: 5pinDizzy
The Harbinger is about as good as a Brutix in battlecruisers.
You're joking. The Brutix is either a gank ship with no EHP and 2km range, or a tank ship with loldps and a so-so active tank. Both don't even hold a candle to the Harbringer. Hell, the Harbringer is one of the best BCs, and it's definitely the best BC for gangs where its ability to lay a ton of damage right away is pure win.
Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Armageddon, Apoc and Abaddon.
All awesome ships, and probably the best BS around. Particularly and especially for gangs, where the ability to deal preety damn massive DPS right away is awesome. Don't make me talk about Apocs, pulses, and locus rigs.
The geddon >> Dominix for gangs, and Dominixes aren't fitting blasters due to fitting constraints that much, plus, blasters have shit range. Webs got nerfed and MWD-ing BS got slower, which just increases the advantage longer-ranged ships have.
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Shintai
Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon Augoror, the only ship in the game that has never been flown by anyone.
Not true, I actually sold 1 of those after 4 weeks on the market.
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Euriti
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:09:00 -
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There's a reason why we fly apocs/geddons for fleet/pos ops.
There's a reason why you see so many zealots.
There's a reason why amarr chars sell so fast.
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon Augoror, the only ship in the game that has never been flown by anyone.
Used to have an alt with cap transfers for moving caps ________
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hired goon
Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Shintai
Originally by: hired goon Augoror, the only ship in the game that has never been flown by anyone.
Not true, I actually sold 1 of those after 4 weeks on the market.
Obviously people buy them to make them into Guardians, but they're never actually flown. Just hoarded into freighters and shipped off to factories. Like confused little Minmatar Children -omg-
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Great Artista
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:12:00 -
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Crusader!1 _______
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Dinkytot
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:14:00 -
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buff Amarr!
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Infinity Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:15:00 -
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Apocalypse damage pathetic? Are you drunk?
Check how much damage each BS can deal at 200 km with no rigs and 250 km with rigs. Apocalypse its a fricking class of its own above others.
Armageddon is king of gankage on gangs because of scorch range. Abaddon is the king of the bait ships and rivals raven as mission runner.
Revelation is THE DREADNAUGHT. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
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Seishomaru
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon
Originally by: Shintai
Originally by: hired goon Augoror, the only ship in the game that has never been flown by anyone.
Not true, I actually sold 1 of those after 4 weeks on the market.
Obviously people buy them to make them into Guardians, but they're never actually flown. Just hoarded into freighters and shipped off to factories. Like confused little Minmatar Children
not true. I used to use an auguror as cap batery feeder going along an abaddon ganking missions pretty fast.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 12/08/2008 13:19:52 Well the Vengeance has an impressive tank for a frigate but also the worst engagement range of any ship ever. Bonuses only to rockets = major lameness.
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:20:00 -
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Yeah I used an augoror once to help the battleships on a POS assault as they had energy neut batteries, never flown one since though.
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Zancaur
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:20:00 -
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I just started the game. And a bit further I'm wondering which battleship to buy. Should I get an Armageddon or Apocalypse, or save up for an Abaddon? You might say it's a bit too early for me to be thinking about this now, but a friend of mine got a battleship before his trial account was over :P
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1Evildude
Gallente Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 12/08/2008 13:02:05
Stuff....
You fail at trolling. *** Of all the things I've lost, I miss my boot.ini file the most ***
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon Apocalypse damage pathetic? Are you drunk?
Ok maybe bad choice of words but it's going to be around 1/2 of the damage it'd have got close in using multifreq's no?
Originally by: 1Evildude
Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 12/08/2008 13:02:05
Stuff....
You fail at trolling.
Whereas, apparently you've succeeded...
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:35:00 -
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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 12/08/2008 13:35:39
Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Originally by: Kagura Nikon Apocalypse damage pathetic? Are you drunk?
Ok maybe bad choice of words but it's going to be around 1/2 of the damage it'd have got close in using multifreq's no?
Originally by: 1Evildude
Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 12/08/2008 13:02:05
Stuff....
You fail at trolling.
Whereas, apparently you've succeeded...
Originally by: Dinkytot Edited by: Dinkytot on 12/08/2008 13:21:38 buff Amarr!
I add so dont missunderstand me
Please point out where I said buff amarr, I'll give you a cookie!
They all pretty much hold their own in each field, I just still don't see which ones stand out in particularly.
But yes. I think maybe I should say the one ship it's starting to look like is the Apocalypse as the king of snipers maybe?
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Nabar Phargal
Gallente Anqara Expeditions The OSS
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:39:00 -
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tl;dr In any case, answer = yes |
Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Infinity Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:41:00 -
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Yes damage at 200 km is lower than at 20 km. But that is same for all ships. Close range more damage. 400 dps at 200 km+ is a hell lot of dps....
Another great thing for amamr ships. Their BS are by far far far the best on POS bashing. Simply put standard crystals on your tachyons target tower and go make dinner. Come back now mather how many hours later and its still firing whiel all others are complaining of ammo shortage. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:44:00 -
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With the coming changes won't all them laser boats get an indirect boost?
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Chronos VIII
Amarr FinFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:45:00 -
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l2p
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Malcanis
We are Legend eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 12/08/2008 13:02:05
Just wondered, as I can't think of a single amarr ship that stands out in it's field among the other races.
Let me give you an examples of ships that stand out to me in other races.
Ishkur - Probably the most ganky frigate with its compliment of 5 drones and still being able to mount 3 guns and a nos.
(I think about Amarrs assault ships, and one is a glorified punisher, and the other is a tackler with no room for a scram aswell as a mwd)
Falcon - Able to Jam entire small fleets of enemy ships.
Rapier/Huginn - The last word in anti nano warfare.
( think about amarrs force recon, and we've got the curse which stood out pre nos nerf, but is nothing overly special anymore, tracking disrupters don't work against caldari and there are a great many caldari in this game)
HAC's
Zealot nanoes, nano is being nerfed, doesn't really hold a candle to the Deimos I'd say.
Sacrilege, It's mega tank might have been impressive before Heavy Interdictors.
The command ships all seem as roughly competitive.
The Harbinger is about as good as a Brutix in battlecruisers.
Marauders - Caldari got the best hand with these.
Battleships
Armageddon - I'd rather have a dominix, easily out tanks it, and with all those blasters + nos I doubt the dps is that far off either.
Apocalypse - Was bloody awful before the apoc buff, now it might actually almost stand out because of it's range, although the damage is patheric at such a range and ravens and such can go about as far while keeping their damage potential, ok they won't solo alpha frigates, but it'll still punch.
Abaddon - Maybe this is the ship that stands out for Amarr, noone except Minmatar usually use their tech 3 battleships, Abaddon has moderate dps, hardly the best, but while still being able to hit a multitude of targets at a large spectrum of medium to long distances while actually having a decent tank? Even if it took the most expensive ship, is this the one?
I would say no, because even with just Mega Beams and not Tachyons, It practically takes 3 capacitor control circuits, all mid slots full of cap rechargers and cap power relays in lows for it to fire those guns before it's capacitor is wiped out in about 30 seconds, even with good energy skills.
So I leave it to you people to change my mind. Maybe I should've trained gallente once upon a time.
Um... Curse? It's a murder machine. Anything smaller than a battleship should run. batteships should run if they don't have trackless / capless weapons.
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Aarin Wrath
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:58:00 -
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IMHO:
Armageddon: One of the best (the best?) gank battleships out there. I would take it over a BlasterThorn any day.
Apocalypse: A amazing Sniper. I have a setup that can hit at 50km optimal with multif without rigs. It is in a class of its own it is so good now.
Abaddon: Incredible tank, or, incredible DPS. Awesome for lvl4 missions. Also in a class of its own.
Pilgrim: Yeah I fly one, and I still think its extremely good. Even after the NOS nerf.
Guardian: Best logisitics out there for PVP. Period.
So yeah I donĘt think the OP is correct ...
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.08.12 14:01:00 -
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Op fails to realize that all those zillion boost amarr threads were really psy ops to keep them from getting nerfed.
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phunky fresh
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Posted - 2008.08.12 14:04:00 -
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what, amarr hasn't been buffed enough yet?
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Joss Sparq
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.12 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy Ishkur - Probably the most ganky frigate with its compliment of 5 drones and still being able to mount 3 guns and a nos.
It was, once-upon-a-time, able to field 4 Medium drones
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1Evildude
Gallente Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.12 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 12/08/2008 13:35:39
Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Originally by: Kagura Nikon Apocalypse damage pathetic? Are you drunk?
Ok maybe bad choice of words but it's going to be around 1/2 of the damage it'd have got close in using multifreq's no?
Originally by: 1Evildude
Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 12/08/2008 13:02:05
Stuff....
You fail at trolling.
Whereas, apparently you've succeeded...
lol.. what?
It's clear that you haven't got a clue what you're talking about. You're going on your own idea of the other races and absolutly no experience.
The grass is always greener on ther other side, come back when you actually have some experience with the other races.
*** Of all the things I've lost, I miss my boot.ini file the most ***
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Zora
Gallente Community for Justice Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.12 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Op fails to realize that all those zillion boost amarr threads were really psy ops to keep them from getting nerfed.
*whispers* shhh, don't let them know our secret...
Move along guys, nothing to see here. omg amarr suck so bad boost plz
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Spectre3353
Gallente The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.08.12 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon Augoror, the only ship in the game that has never been flown by anyone.
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