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Queen Margaret
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:39:00 -
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armor rep bonus on the hyp works like having 2-3 additional auxiliary nano pump rigs. Also nice to run single repper.
tracking bonus on the megathron is like having 5/4 of a tracking computer. Also, if you are using 425's, you start with low-low tracking, and 138% of nothing is still nothing.
Sorry to point this out....
Mega's drone bay still isn't big enough to carry 5 heavies and 5 lights in the same mission.
conclusion:
The hype really misses the extra dronebay and the the loss of a low-slot. But putting 2 MFS II's on the hype is easy enough and it's the better choice for a mission railgun boat.
Of course if you wanna fit it like a buffer tank megathron, you have my permission to whine about how the hyperion is too expensive.
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vostok
Minmatar
Intrepid Proprietary Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.14 13:00:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: Queen Margaret
armor rep bonus on the hyp works like having 2-3 additional auxiliary nano pump rigs. Also nice to run single repper.
tracking bonus on the megathron is like having 5/4 of a tracking computer. Also, if you are using 425's, you start with low-low tracking, and 138% of nothing is still nothing.
Sorry to point this out....
Mega's drone bay still isn't big enough to carry 5 heavies and 5 lights in the same mission.
conclusion:
The hype really misses the extra dronebay and the the loss of a low-slot. But putting 2 MFS II's on the hype is easy enough and it's the better choice for a mission railgun boat.
Of course if you wanna fit it like a buffer tank megathron, you have my permission to whine about how the hyperion is too expensive.
Well cost isnt an issue for a mission ship.
Mission ships don't buffer tank (not interested in what nutters have done or how successful they have been).
The tracking bonus does help the mega for stuff getting close.
5 Heavy drones can kill any mission frig anyway, I don't bother with lights.
All this said; In hindsight I would have been better off using a hype for missions than the megathron I used since before the hype existed.
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Uriel Septym
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Posted - 2008.08.14 13:18:00 -
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Interesting thoughts. All constructive. Minus the guy who said Hyperion was just crap, which is clearly just not true, that guy should shut up and go away  .
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.14 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Uriel Septym
Originally by: Haradgrim
Dr. Dominilove or how I learned to stop being afraid and love the blob.
Love the Dr. Strangelove reference though. I might fly a domi just for that.
Its look will grow on you too, make sure to keep antibiotics handy! 
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Originally by: CCP Oveur
...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Daraxia
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Posted - 2008.08.15 01:22:00 -
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Edited by: Daraxia on 15/08/2008 01:22:32
After long time running missions, i choosed to run them with hyperion (now i run them with a kronos). I god 3M SP drones, interfacing V, and i can tell you that Hyperion or whatever other gunship is MUCH faster when you dont run missions afk.
Setup :
3x CCC
8x Dread guristas 425MM railgun
3x Cap II
1x AB
1x Tracking comp (faction with track script) = 35% (more than mega).
Armor repair (faction)
1x MFS (faction)
1x EANM
2x hardners
1x DC II
Pretty solid setup, perma tank, pretty good dps, and nice skinned hyperion ;)
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Uriel Septym
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Posted - 2008.08.17 22:14:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Daraxia
Edited by: Daraxia on 15/08/2008 01:22:32
After long time running missions, i choosed to run them with hyperion (now i run them with a kronos). I god 3M SP drones, interfacing V, and i can tell you that Hyperion or whatever other gunship is MUCH faster when you dont run missions afk.
Setup :
3x CCC
8x Dread guristas 425MM railgun
3x Cap II
1x AB
1x Tracking comp (faction with track script) = 35% (more than mega).
Armor repair (faction)
1x MFS (faction)
1x EANM
2x hardners
1x DC II
Pretty solid setup, perma tank, pretty good dps, and nice skinned hyperion ;)
as I am new to the armor tanking business...could someone explain the acronyms?
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Boz Well
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.18 03:17:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Uriel Septym
Originally by: Daraxia
Edited by: Daraxia on 15/08/2008 01:22:32
After long time running missions, i choosed to run them with hyperion (now i run them with a kronos). I god 3M SP drones, interfacing V, and i can tell you that Hyperion or whatever other gunship is MUCH faster when you dont run missions afk.
Setup :
3x CCC - capacitor control circuit
8x Dread guristas 425MM railgun
3x Cap II - cap recharger Ii
1x AB - afterburner
1x Tracking comp (faction with track script) = 35% (more than mega).
Armor repair (faction)
1x MFS (faction) - magnetic field stabilizer (weapon upgrade)
1x EANM - energized adaptive nano membrane
2x hardners - active hards
1x DC II - damage control
Pretty solid setup, perma tank, pretty good dps, and nice skinned hyperion ;)
as I am new to the armor tanking business...could someone explain the acronyms?
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Manu Hermanus
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.08.18 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Trevor Warps
Yeah,
8x 350mm
5x cap chargers
2x LAR, DC, 3x hardners (or 4 hardners if thats what u fancy and know what your doing)
Rigs : 1x nano pump, 1x cap regen thing, 1x hybrid dmg thing
Drones : 5x meds and lights
Does missions easily. No travel time from drones is the big plus over a dominix.
but domi has no travel time from drones, the recalling of your scout drones will take way longer than a domi to recall its drones.
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.08.18 07:48:00 -
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Hyperion is the defacto blaster ship for gallente. Its nearly pure pvp/pos shooting.
For lvl 3/4's, i'd go for the dominix: even with ok drone skills it'll still tear stuff up, esp. if you have the foresite to fit blasters/rails in the tops.
My dominix runs 4x Anode/t2 Mega Neuts and a salvager and tractor. WIth perfect drone skills (except drone spec, that's 4) i **** out 680 or so dps on a three slot tank (for most missions) that laughs at 4's.
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Queen Margaret
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Posted - 2008.08.18 18:17:00 -
[40]
Originally by: vostok
5 Heavy drones can kill any mission frig anyway, I don't bother with lights.
I think you're better off with a five t2 lights. t2 lights can kill 4 elite scrambling frigates, who knows but say about in 30 seconds each, without webbing them. I wouldn't want to see an elite frigate if i just had heavy drones.
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Lili Lu
Victory Not Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.08.18 18:42:00 -
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A hyperion with an auxilliary nano pump rig is quite useful for overcoming the loss of a low slot compared to the Mega. A tracking computer in the extra mid compensates for the lack of a tracking bonus. And then fitting the ship is less of a hastle than the Mega.
The Mega as a pvp fleet sniper (something to which the Hyperion is poorly suited) or can be fit for pvp blaster. The hyperion is the better mission ship with the tanking bonus.
Highs - 7 425 compressed coil or better, and a drone link augmentor
Mids - AB II or Lif, rest mix of Target Painter, Tracking Computer, Sensor Booster, Cap Recharger II
Lows - LAR II, Damage Control II, the reamining 4 slots a mix of CPR II, Hardeners, EANM, Tracking Enhancer, Sig Amp, Mag Stab depending on the mission rats and specs.
Drones - I use Medium tech II, they kill small stuff quickly, help dps with large stuff, and you don't wait forever for them to move to the target or run back to the bay if you mismanaged aggro and they are getting shot.
Rigs - mix of Aux Nano Pump, CCC, or even an explosive resist rig to fill that hole in the resists
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Crove
Tupperware Party
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Posted - 2008.08.19 06:45:00 -
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I run a Hyperion setup, but it didn't become better for me than the mega for some time. At this point I get more dps out of the hyp with the 8th turret, and pretty much every level 4 is a cakewalk.
May just be EFT warrioring and my perception, but I can't fit a mega with similar DPS / tank and dominix just didn't come close. |
Jessica Fyers
Gallente
Azure Horizon
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Posted - 2008.08.19 14:01:00 -
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Been using the Domi when i started missions, with good skills, and i found the drone flight time from target to target really annoying, so changed to gunships.
Hyperion was ok, but kinda sucky damage:
H:8x 350mm t2 rails
M:t2 track enh, any webber, 3x CR t2
L:t2 LAR, 2x t2 MFS, t2 EANM and 2x t2 armor hardeners
Drones: 5x t2 light, whoever many heavy webbers can be fitted (cant remember exatctly, think it was 3)
Rigs: Auxilliary Nano Pump and 2x CCC
Had no probs at all hitting anything, armor was fine provided i didnt get full room agro, and cap lasted for a looooong time.
Tried Megathron/ Navythron later, which was way better, then trained up for Kronos and i'm not looking back  |
Nijikon
Gallente
CBC Interstellar
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Posted - 2008.08.19 14:58:00 -
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ok i might couse a litle panic but oh well :D
assuming all required skills etc etc is it valid to use 350's on a pvp fit? i dont care if thats hyperion or megathron (tracking on mega would help more ofcourse). loaded with faction AM range is about 20km +/- couple of kms and falloff
i know rails are reserved for pve and long range sniping but since 350 offer not_too_shaddy tracking compared to 425's and we can actually stay in range of those 20 km for a while could it be valid? it would reduce the need of web module maybe? afaik only gallente are forced to get in really point blank range thanks to low optimal+low fallof of guns compared other races (maybe not minmatar)?
disclaimer: i m not trolling nor am i skilled to use it (yet) - just an idea couse seemes when the nerf bat hits basic speed of all ships across eve bs fights might me more...static? as i said just an idea that comes from experience of being ganked while missioning - would have escaped but drones ate my last piece of hull
feel free to throw a rock at me :) |
Queen Margaret
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Posted - 2008.08.19 15:26:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Queen Margaret on 19/08/2008 15:30:13
the problem is powergrid. if you run an afterburner, and a large armor repper you run outta powergrid for the guns. Even a full rack of 350's is tough with with an afterburner. Engineering V helps here.
also 425's use a ton of capacitor. Switching to lead can seriously help your tank.
One of the wierd things about the hyperion is the slow cap recharge time. if you cap it out.... you really have to wait a couple minutes to get it back up to 29% or so. |
Mire Stoude
Cash Money Brothers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.08.19 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: Mire Stoude on 19/08/2008 18:01:18
I tried the Hyperion for a few missions. I didn't care for it too much.
The dominix is a good mission boat. It is great because you can mix up the tank from "nothing short of a cap could gank this" to "Wow, thats alot of damage mods!" and still work nicely.
My setup was:
4x 425mm, 1x salvage, 1x tractor
2x Omni direct tracking (for drones), 3x Cap recharger II
1x Amarr LAR, 4x Hardeners/EANM combo, damcon II, magstab (I think)
It isn't a agro and forget setup, but it certainly made for much less boring missions. However, that being said... if you go Kronos you'll never go back to a Domi. |
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