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Cygnus Zhada
Amarr
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.08.25 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Cygnus Zhada on 25/08/2008 18:11:35
Actually it does, sadly enough. It's called the product cycle, Look at it as the shuttle project;
- design/testing phase, everything is hectic and the best minds and people are doing the work, the innovators, thinkers and initial personel is working hard and doing their best. The core group is small but focussed and everyone works well together. It's a community and every little achievement is celebrated as a personal victory, every setback is an insult.
- maiden launch, the inital crew is still very much on it, doing the work and basking in the glory while countering problems with their experience and pure knowledge.
- orbit, the monotonous and tedious checking is done by new people who possibly lack the drive and ideals of the first few, still regular checkups and changes are required and the inital people are still working on it alot, they are happy with the status they have and still have a lot of influence. Though the work has shifted; gone is the romantic idea of being the first and all it is now is maintaining status quo.
- continuation, The initial/bright/creative first now get annoyed and bored with the monotonous labour. People start to 'specialise', by that I mean they invent focussed jobs for idiots who can't do more than one thing (as the initial people could), thus creating more jobs while actually doing less. Also the new management feels that the old guys intefere with their powers and lack the politically correctness to keep the project going. They think they know better, as such managers and accountants slowly start to replace the thinkers and innovators.
What's left is a skeleton crew of people maintaining the project while not actually having the tools to make any proper changes. The goal now is to prolong as long as possible at all costs, regardless of previous ideas or ideals. Repair what's absolutely neccesary without spending too many resources. The initial crew is long gone and either went for new projects or are burnt out, pushed aside by the bureaucracy and accountants.
The sky is falling, you heard it here first.
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Synapse Archae
Amarr
Demonic Retribution
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.25 19:06:00 -
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Cygnus, that post makes me question why you're even still playing. With that kind of fatalistic attitude I sure wouldn't be.
If you want to quit, fatalism is a great way to do it. If you want to get anything accomplished, you'd better go rethink your outlook. I intend to push for CCP to continue their innovation here, but keeping up the dialogue they have always kept with the player base, and mixing that with some serious thought (5 hours is not enough) on their side.
Lets get some real communication going with CCP and look forward to building ever bigger and better. If the devs are willing to side with you that they are just caretakers then I suggest they step aside for people who really want to build some exciting new things.
 Originally by: CCP Garthagk
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Tradealt one
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Posted - 2008.08.25 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Tradealt one on 25/08/2008 19:19:44
*Grr, damn settings. I'm Cygnus*
I'm not, I've closed my 3 accounts. My main already went inactive, this is one that still works (hence you see me post with 2 different characters, this one and Tradingalt. haven't adjusted settings).
I've been around in EVE a bit and restarted a few times. After coming back from holiday I went "wtf am I doing here, I'm not happy with the game, where it's going and I sure am getting fed up with the ******s".
I guess this is a good place as any (not that it's really important since I'm a nobody anyway). Anyone who knew the following characters;
- Caleb Paine
- Cygnus Zhada
- Tzar'rim
I salute or laugh at you (depending if you were friendly/smart or hostile/moronic.
Never will I forget;
- Mynas
- Steamy
- RaptorGB
It was fun right up to the point where it became annoying.
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oilio
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.25 19:55:00 -
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I certainly get the feeling that Eve is becoming a back-burner project.
I have a suspicion that it is just an income generator to supply funds for World of Darkness.
There's a lot of half-baked ideas they talk about. The CSM is pointles and just allows CCP to stall even more on the issues.
Ambulation is just a way of beta-testing the WOD engine. Planetary flight? Never gonna happen, because that's not part of WOD.
I have two accounts, and these days I am wondering whether my subscriptions aren't just going to pay for World of Darkness.
Infiniband anyone? Everything's gone quite on that front, hasn't it?
In fact, everything has gone quiet full-stop.
Sure, the forums are full of rage and debate, but take a look at the Game Development forum. There's a distinct lack of posting from the DEVs...
...I suspect that's because there is a distinct lack of development going on.
World of Darkness is where it's at now. |
Angel Lightbringer
Caldari
Dark Evolution Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.25 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
When people don't know, they speculate.
When people speculate, others think it's fact.
When people think it's fact, people complain...loud.
When people complain, some Dev might possibly see it and take it the wrong way, aka "a majority voice".
When devs take it as such, they change things.
So much this!
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
The CSM should be a tool for the CCP to get info and give info on the game, from a neutral, respected, "this is real, all else is not" way. At the moment it's not A: Respected B: voice of majority(as shown here) or even C: neutral(from what i've heard).
++ The CSM is NOT a place for few people to voice THEIR concerns, but the peoples concerns. ½½
Not to mention, the majority of people, the in-gamers(non forum users) concerns...
This exactly reflect what I always thought CSM was for. Underground work, so to speak, mouth-to-ear in-game, and not soley forum skimming (emphasis added). So there is a voice coming from the players and not the forum dwellers.
I haven't followed the CSM actions/forum, I am not complaining either. I just hope this is what it's for. That CCP do listens to concerns brought by the CSM, because in fact, ain't this why they made all the fuss about election 'et al'?
CSM must matter, it thankfully does or otherwise hopefully will.
-Angel |
Synapse Archae
Amarr
Demonic Retribution
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.25 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
When people don't know, they speculate.
When people speculate, others think it's fact.
When people think it's fact, people complain...loud.
When people complain, some Dev might possibly see it and take it the wrong way, aka "a majority voice".
When devs take it as such, they change things.
So much this!
Great quote! Havent seen it before but very much that :)
Originally by: CCP Garthagk
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Manfred Rickenbocker
The Elliance
Delta.Green
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Posted - 2008.08.26 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Manfred Rickenbocker on 26/08/2008 18:41:14
I think its a two-way street.
The majority of the time its just players wondering what, if anything, is being done in general. While players can often be riled up by what choices and actions are made, it is also comforting to know that people are still running around in the background. If the CSM is going to take the role of the player interface with CCP, as I believe and agree with, we need to see more action from them above and beyond the occasional post from a CSM member saying "Oh, this is good, Ill present it". Shouldn't y'all be having meetings or somesuch?
This is another instance of "lead by example". If the CSM wants to be seen as a true figure of player interaction, it needs to do more than just post meeting minutes. It needs to have a dynamic updated plan on what each member is currently working on, issues they have decided to bring to board, collected links to threads and an overall summary of what ideas are and how they will be discussed. Put all your findings and issues on a website that both CCP and the community can see (eve-csm.com hasnt been updated in forever!)
CSM: Dont wait for CCP to figure out what to do. You were elected to be the community interface so define what that means for yourself. They cant be held accountable for every single tiny issue that makes its way to the forum and nor do they likely want to. They've stated on many occasions that the ball is now in your court; response or no, its your opportunity to shine. Show you are doing work, and CCP will likely respond in kind.
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Synapse Archae
Amarr
Demonic Retribution
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.26 21:23:00 -
[98]
Bump. Still no communication on any channel from CCP.
Originally by: CCP Garthagk
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Frug
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.08.26 22:45:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Synapse Archae
Bump. Still no communication on any channel from CCP.
If you need to bump something 3 hours after the last post, you need to stop forum whoring.
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Sarin Adler
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:14:00 -
[100]
With all the whinage going on the forums, soem devblogs could help explaining from where we come from and where are we heading.
Hysteria and trolling is getting out of hand.
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Cygnus Zhada
Amarr
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:18:00 -
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We come from a niche game and are heading to a mainstream short term cash cow.
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Atlas Elestra
Titan Mining LLC
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:45:00 -
[102]
Quote:
At the same time that this specialization is happening, we are also deepening our bench. We're bringing in people from all over the world who have unique and special talents to contribute to EVE - which means that some roles that were once filled by public and familiar Devs are now handled by people who are fairly new to the organization and haven't had time to make themselves well known.
Since CCP is migrating from a team of General Devs, to a team of Devs with specific areas, how about sharing the information?
For instance if I know which Dev is in charge of Missions for example. I know who to direct my questions/suggestions about that to. While it's nice to know the Devs honestly I dont' care. I would rather know that my ideas about X can be directed to the Dev who is in charge of X. It's true that trolling the forums and reading everything written can easily be a job in and of itself. I do think that every Dev should spend some time reading what it's player base wants/thinks. While I dont' necessarily expect one on one conversations it would be nice to hear what the Dev thinks about topics that are within thier control.
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Richard Angevian
The Crusaders.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:36:00 -
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The CSM is a complete waste of time because it isn't what it was promised to be: A way for PLAYERS to keep CCP honest in the wake of the T20/Bob scandal.
It does nothing of the sort, and is nothing more than a PR exercise. If the CSM has no role in game direction, then what kind of "player government of EVE" can it be anyway?
So far all the CSM has accomplished is serve is to show that people like Jade and Bane care more about fighting for e-peen than in doing anything constructive. Which was predictable.
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Neermark
JotunHeim Hird
X13 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:40:00 -
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Maybe the highsec cap ships will be the first thing that really shows if the csm works...
Yay For the new ALIGN BUTTON !!!! |
Synapse Archae
Amarr
Demonic Retribution
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:40:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Frug
Originally by: Synapse Archae
Bump. Still no communication on any channel from CCP.
If you need to bump something 3 hours after the last post, you need to stop forum whoring.
Try 23 hrs, 13 minutes. I don't know where you got 3 hrs from.
Just an FYI, CCP reps can expect me to bring up this very topic at PAX this weekend :P
They should probably start getting an answer ready.
Originally by: CCP Garthagk
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