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Maya Rkell	Posted - 2004.06.04 13:56:00 - [61] Take the current war vs the PA. One war dec for each of the attackers, waaaay too many war decs for the PA. I'm still against it, however. "As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade"
Xerxes X	Posted - 2004.06.04 13:56:00 - [62] War Games said: Quote: Children: Consider 1 mil a week (and for you alt war morons it's cheap... 52 mil a year... grow up... it's not the end of the world as you know it... True but it does put slaver corps, who prefer the status-quo, at another advantage. Quote: and it just means you can't sell that 1 mil each week on ebay anymore... grow up) Never have, never will. Quote: anyways... Consider it the cost of feeding your crews on your ships (Check the story guides their are crews, and beta had crews listed on the info at one time) and paying their families back home combat pay and consider it the cost of paying off concord for being the terrorists most alt corps are. My crew are volunteers, willing to die for their cause. Quote: In the REAL world, you would have to identify yourself have a nation state to financially back your war effort. We are our own state. Quote: I doubt the terrorists are buying crispy cream donuts to fund their plots... they have nation states supporting them... Most corps have to fund their own activities anyway. Quote: In eve you can create an alt account in 10 seconds... get in a ship that you haven't trained (but created) so let's not talk about real world comparisons. Are you playing the same game as the rest of us? Every ship requires to have had skills trained sufficiently to use. Quote: I'm pretty sure those that post here can't go get a fake identity card and do something isntantly that would allow them to be an elite combat fighter IE Computer nerd suddenly becomes rambo in afghanistan... BUT SINCE THIS ISN'T the realworld and you haven't paid anything for your training... I had to buy my skills, and what's all this guff about Afghanistan? Quote: the cost of war has to be factored in SOMEHOW... i'm just suprised it took this long to be implemented... It's already been implemented, you got to buy ships, weapons and ammo. Quote: If you are serious about the war you will have the money to back up your actions and your forum warrior smacktalk. Then you'd forgive me if I suggest that all those on the receiving end of a war declaration ALSO have to pay a war tax... Just to balance things up for us freedom fighters. Quote: If i were CCP, i would make you pay 1 mil of isk per post on these forums. I gurantee you would see less smack talk and more people playing. But i doubt they will do that because then what would it give the players that only play on the forums (and/or are banned from playing in game) to do? Burble Quote: Maybe just a 1000 isk cost for posting a forum post... I could see the forums being less retarded, and the forums being more manageable for the mods Burble Xerxes X
Siddy	Posted - 2004.06.04 13:57:00 - [63] Originally by: Orestes Allright, my opinion: I would much rather prefer an amount of isks/head (including alts) for war declarations. Much more elegant and smalltimer-friendly. That said, Tracer agents + War dec costs wins the day. Wondering about the corp who finances the alt corp? Get a tracer agent, trace the money, and voila. Requires smart thinking on the part of the alts' players, as well as a bit of digging for the war declar-ee. Now to make some sense, Shiva isn't done yet. As always, things like this might very well be subject to change. Please link to this thread in the Shiva discussion forum. Revoked offer to move - Orestes Oh, and keep the replies constructive, please So now we will have Alt corps who will found alt corps who will found alt corps just to be shure the founds are untracable ? and if the money transfer is done by "old fashion way" u did know that u can Jeticon Cash in jet cans so try to Trace that Sherloc -------------------------------------------
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2004.06.04 13:58:00 - [64] Originally by: Tease Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu may I suggest we go a step further and impose a 1000 isk fee on every shot you fire from your gun? Perhaps a gate tax for ships passing through which depends on the number of highslots filled with weapons. OMG! that's a GREAT idea! I have to confess Istvaan when i saw the topic title i and thought this would be some screaming *****-pitch. sorry But what you say is perfectly correct, well-written, and i second the gun-firing tax being a proponent of gross exaggeration to make a point Fact is i got caught up in the shiny new toys to give this segment proper thought. The CVA and friends, as well as Oracle and the PRM, will now be sending millions and millions of isk every week to - whom exactly??? - in order to try to provide the amarr-minmatar content like all the flaming n00btards have been telling us to "figure out ourselves" instead of "whining for content." Fine, we're starting, finally, to organize ourselves better. And now we're going to, what, cancel the war on alternate weeks to go mine like carebears? Perhaps the CVA and PRM can hold joint mining ops to help the younger corporations pay for their wars with each other :P. It's a bit silly. And yeah, who ARE we paying?? Are wars really just bribing CONCORD not to gank us Is the amount any huge sum? No, of course not. Is it one more drain on the resources of anyone trying to get some real RP done and contribute to the storyline and hopefully entertain any third party who might be in the vicinity? Sure is. Are we all just meant to suck rocks all day and initiate new members into the wonders of veldspar every weekend? It's starting to look that way If there was even a sane, properly-working market and player-run manufacturing base, this would be better. It isn't the need to make money that's the issue, it's the time issue and ingame time spent. Mining ops for cash are time consuming and holding off engagements for a week or 3 while we all mine like our fur depended on it is lame. Manufacturing requires an initial investment, lowers mining time (at least it bloody well SHOULD) and gets us back to doing what we ought - blowing each other to bits in the name of freedom and empire (respectively)! You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Orestes	Posted - 2004.06.04 14:00:00 - [65] Originally by: Siddy So now we will have Alt corps who will found alt corps who will found alt corps just to be shure the founds are untracable ? Even those transafctions will be tracable. IF the put in tracer agents in the first place, mind you. I'd very much like that to happen, not sure if it ever will [;)] Originally by: Siddy and if the money transfer is done by "old fashion way" u did know that u can Jeticon Cash in jet cans Yup, and as far as I know, that's been disabled a few patches ago Join the IC!
Xerxes X	Posted - 2004.06.04 14:00:00 - [66] While I am against this "war tax". I'd like to recommend to opportunity to bribe Concord (when I'm in a station, and limited to a paticular character) to allow me to go after ore-thieves etc. Xerxes X
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2004.06.04 14:01:00 - [67] Originally by: Nightfang Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu gg Captain Obvious. What if I can't be arsed to mine in order to fight? What if all what you describe is nauseating to me, and all I want to do is shoot people in the face? Dissed and dismissed. Which is why CCP is nerfing you in hope you'll leave I rest your case. So it is plainly obvious, you agree, that this is a blatant nerf to PvPers? Moreoveur, you really thing CCP's master plan is to drive off the largest segment of multiple-account subscribers they have? I take your case out back and kick it to death. You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Siddy	Posted - 2004.06.04 14:04:00 - [68] Originally by: Orestes Originally by: Siddy So now we will have Alt corps who will found alt corps who will found alt corps just to be shure the founds are untracable ? Even those transafctions will be tracable. IF the put in tracer agents in the first place, mind you. I'd very much like that to happen, not sure if it ever will [;)] Originally by: Siddy and if the money transfer is done by "old fashion way" u did know that u can Jeticon Cash in jet cans Yup, and as far as I know, that's been disabled a few patches ago I havent tryed it in long long times But even if it is there is still 1001 ways to laundry money Megasyte transfers and other hig valuable minerals Th only way to stop alt greefing is to Display all other 2 characters on Character inffo... and that dont stop Second Account Greefing So welcome new Era of Money laundring -------------------------------------------
Xerxes X	Posted - 2004.06.04 14:04:00 - [69] Edited by: Xerxes X on 04/06/2004 14:07:48 Siddy said: Quote: u did know that u can Jeticon Cash in jet cans Good point Siddy. Jettison a can full of Megacyte in a safespot for an alt corp. A workable and untraceable transfer of cash. Edit: I was typing this message just before you posted the above messsage, demonstrating that such a workaround is easy to devise. Xerxes X
Orestes	Posted - 2004.06.04 14:10:00 - [70] Originally by: Siddy I havent tryed it in long long times But even if it is there is still 1001 ways to laundry money Megasyte transfers and other hig valuable minerals Th only way to stop alt greefing is to Display all other 2 characters on Character inffo... and that dont stop Second Account Greefing So welcome new Era of Money laundring True, true, still, it would be better then having no way at all, wouldn't it? (Since alt chars are clearly not going to be displayed ever) Join the IC!
Siddy	Posted - 2004.06.04 14:11:00 - [71] Originally by: Xerxes X Edited by: Xerxes X on 04/06/2004 14:07:48 Siddy said: Quote: u did know that u can Jeticon Cash in jet cans Good point Siddy. Jettison a can full of Megacyte in a safespot for an alt corp. A workable and untraceable transfer of cash. Edit: I was typing this message just before you posted the above messsage, demonstrating that such a workaround is easy to devise. Xerxes X Point is - There is no limit to human intelect and intuitivity there is always a way to bend the rules ... There is no spoon that feature will only Bust layzy/stupid alt corp cases The major Alt lamers that like to greef peoples will only have even more funn when they get to find new and beter ways to laundry money Good work CCP - u just inventted a new Sub Hobby to alt lamers And what abaut N00b NPC corps - u culd not bosybly trace every transaction in Viziam -------------------------------------------
Siddy	Posted - 2004.06.04 14:12:00 - [72] Originally by: Orestes Originally by: Siddy I havent tryed it in long long times But even if it is there is still 1001 ways to laundry money Megasyte transfers and other hig valuable minerals Th only way to stop alt greefing is to Display all other 2 characters on Character inffo... and that dont stop Second Account Greefing So welcome new Era of Money laundring True, true, still, it would be better then having no way at all, wouldn't it? (Since alt chars are clearly not going to be displayed ever) so in result only the meanest and Most skilled alt lamer corps will survive? tsk tsk - that is not helpping carebears much -------------------------------------------
Orestes	Posted - 2004.06.04 14:13:00 - [73] Originally by: Siddy so in result only the meanest and Most skilled alt lamer corps will survive? tsk tsk - that is not helpping carebears much Never claimed I wanted to help the carebears, did I? Join the IC!
Siddy	Posted - 2004.06.04 14:14:00 - [74] Originally by: Orestes Originally by: Siddy so in result only the meanest and Most skilled alt lamer corps will survive? tsk tsk - that is not helpping carebears much Never claimed I wanted to help the carebears, did I? oi! this is historical moment that will be recordet in timebooks of EVE -------------------------------------------
flummox	Posted - 2004.06.04 14:26:00 - [75] it makes sense if you look at it from the standpoint of paying off officials (CONCORD) to look the other way. but, maybe it would be better to have Empire Wars have a wartax inplace, but not 0.0 space. i mean, 0.0 space is supposed to be free of the influence of CONCORD, right? so how are they collecting the money for the wars? maybe there should be a radio option when declaring a war... Declare a Non-Empire war on this corp. Acts of aggression without CONCORD response will be limited to 0.4 systems and below. Acts of agression done in Empire Space will be dealt with by CONCORD as normal. Declare an Empire war on this corp. As a result of processing the [paperwork/holoreels/data sheets/whatever] to sort out aggressive acts from war acts in Empire Space, CONCORD is imposing a 1,000,000 tax per day for this war declaration. maybe it would be better and make more sense this way. it doesn't really make sense to have a political influence that can tax pirates in space they have no control over... the King of Heat, flummox there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on...
Maud Dib	Posted - 2004.06.04 14:31:00 - [76] Also didn't I read that if a corp is in an alliance then it can't be war dec'd by another corp unless they war dec the whole alliance? If thats true its retarded. Example: 1. n00b corp one gets ganked by P0ma in low sec. 2. A few days later n00b corp sees Prop mining veldspar in Yulai. 3. n00b corp says hey those SIM guys are the one who ganked billy. We might be able to hit them mining to get some justice. 4. n00b corp tries to war dec SIM. 5. CCP tells n00b corp " Sorry but if you want revenge you have to war dec all of CA. 6. n00b corp ( or hell just about any corp) looks at their ships and wallet. Then they estimate CA's ships and wallet. You know how this turns out already.
Koda	Posted - 2004.06.04 14:43:00 - [77] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Quote: may I suggest we go a step further and impose a 1000 isk fee on every shot you fire from your gun? That's already in place. It's called "being Caldari". LOL. Restricting yourself to rockets? -------------- Share the love in the SNIGG Forums
Severe McCald	Posted - 2004.06.04 15:04:00 - [78] Originally by: flummox it makes sense if you look at it from the standpoint of paying off officials (CONCORD) to look the other way. but, maybe it would be better to have Empire Wars have a wartax inplace, but not 0.0 space. Who would declare war in 0.0? I think this is a stupid idea for Empire, but if CCP are going to spread Concord's influence to 0.0, then it will probably be game-over for a lot of players. I have to say that I've been enjoying the game a lot more recently in Empire (I spend a lot of time agent running), since two corps declared war on my corp. It just adds that touch of danger to every journey. This is what it used to be like before Concord was made uber. Thanks guys Severe And Moses was content to dwell with the man:and he gave Moses Zipporah his daughter. And she bare him a son, and he called his name Gershom:for he said, I have been a stranger in a strange land.
Lachenlaud	Posted - 2004.06.04 15:11:00 - [79] Ok - I'm not a war monger - I neither support it nor do I continually shoot it down... but THIS is one of the dumbest ideas I've ever seen in regard to 'War'. Originally by: Xavier Arron The ISK I am assuming goes to concorde / the empires as tax. No doubt imposed by them to reduce wars and non-competitive behaviour. Example: I'm in 0.0 space with my corp, and Joe Schmoe is in 0.0 space with his corp. This is 'UNCONTROLLED' space. I declare war on Joe Schmoe and Company. So HOW in the heck is Concord gonna tax me for it? Who is charging me this fee? The divine spirit? Lets get real devs.... DUMB idea. It steps on the neck of the roleplay aspect of the game. 'nuff said! [email protected] http://www.goi-eve.com/forums/ Check out the Eve Master Datasheet here!!
Tease	Posted - 2004.06.04 15:35:00 - [80] Originally by: Lachenlaud Example: I'm in 0.0 space with my corp, and Joe Schmoe is in 0.0 space with his corp. This is 'UNCONTROLLED' space. I declare war on Joe Schmoe and Company. So HOW in the heck is Concord gonna tax me for it? Who is charging me this fee? The divine spirit? Lets get real devs.... DUMB idea. It steps on the neck of the roleplay aspect of the game. 'nuff said! umm, why would you declare war on Joe Schmoe and Company if you're just going to spend your time in 0.0? ----------------------------------------- [2003.12.17 06:35:20] Corwin > Orvolle is .4? Doesn't that mean that it's less than .5 ? and isn't .5 what starts the danger level? [2003.12.30 07:15:50] Corwin > Tech 2, IE expanded cargo holds I, MIning lasers 2, etc.... TL2 is being released all around you [2003.12.30 07:21:20] Corwin > tech 2 is released to players. Some players are busy researching the BPs before building stuff. Others are sitting on the BPs making copies to make money off of them that way
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2004.06.04 15:42:00 - [81] I'm glad that the Sassy Squad has finished spitting all over itself trying to be clever, and that more people realize the folly of this silly imposition. If the aim is to get rid of "pointless wars", then impose an one-month timer on all wars, forcing people who wish to sustain warfare to redeclare. Merely this action will probably end these "forgotten" wars you're so up-in-arms about, no need to screw the small pirate bands and mercenary wings out there. Someone said this proposition steps all over roleplay - I challenge that it stomps on all that is good and holy. Supporting this change is supporting the terrorists, and if we have to pay for war, they've already won.
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2004.06.04 15:43:00 - [82] Originally by: Lianhaun Its so exhilerating to know that the "big men" behind these battleships who shoot defenseless Indies and frigates Not to burst your bubble, but little girls also blow up indies and frigates. Only difference is instead of ego stroking is that you hear giggling on teamspeak. shudders gimmeh a full indy at any time of the day So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
Echo Tirani'Fa	Posted - 2004.06.04 15:56:00 - [83] as far as Im concerned..the name for women who do that sort've thing wont be repeated by me because I'm a lady...yes..I realize there are women out there too who are deathly afraid of a giving a noob a halfway chance to make it in this game and who are "run by men"..all you women out there who are declaring wars of your own free will without needing or accepting or receiving applause from your male counterparts..please stand up..I doubt theres alot of women who will answer that query..(dont mean to burst your bubble deary..but if you truly have no male friends whose ego YOU are stroking..I'll look at this issue differently) Plain and simple..CCP is realizing that their "player owned" "Player run" society has been overun by bullying egomaniacal "warmongers" who do nothing more than claim regions of space up to and including empire and camp gates so that the first new player who happens to stray into 0.4 or below becomes and "instant victim"..Thats what I know..and Im not misinformed. You pushed it waaaay too far...lets see if CCP wants to make this a game for "all" or a game for the "few" Echo Tirani'Fa
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2004.06.04 16:00:00 - [84] Space-feminists of the future. Now I've seen it all. Though your avatar goes a long way of explaining it, heh.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.06.04 16:03:00 - [85] A better idea than the war fee would be something cooked up when there was a big fuss about alts - war declarations only applicable to corporations a certain ratio of mains to alts. Can't be arsed to find the thread but I'm sure some of you remember it. If they ARE going to charge a corporation for war then it should be a lot higher than 1M per week. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Echo Tirani'Fa	Posted - 2004.06.04 16:06:00 - [86] Edited by: Echo Tirani'Fa on 04/06/2004 16:12:42 and your avatar definitely explains L e s bianism.heh Find a new way of explaining your ideas..and leave the insults in your lunch box.
Tease	Posted - 2004.06.04 16:06:00 - [87] the one thing here I can't understand is all the whining against this "tax". The majority of the whiners say it won't affect people using alts to declare war against newbs, or it won't affect the huge amount of frivolous wars. So wtf are they whining about then? It seriously can't be the amount being charged can it? I can make enough for a year's worth of war with a single non-alliance corp in less than a day of running missions. If an entire corp can't scrape up enough for just a single month's war of war taxes, wth are they doing going to war then? Really, someone explain to me how paying a fee to declare war is going to ruin your game. You don't need to declare war on a corp if you're a real PvPer who's flying and fighting in 0.0 space. You only need to declare war if you want to fight others in empire space. And if it's gotten to the point that your enemy has turned tail from 0.0 space to hide in Empire, doesn't that imply that you've won? ----------------------------------------- [2003.12.17 06:35:20] Corwin > Orvolle is .4? Doesn't that mean that it's less than .5 ? and isn't .5 what starts the danger level? [2003.12.30 07:15:50] Corwin > Tech 2, IE expanded cargo holds I, MIning lasers 2, etc.... TL2 is being released all around you [2003.12.30 07:21:20] Corwin > tech 2 is released to players. Some players are busy researching the BPs before building stuff. Others are sitting on the BPs making copies to make money off of them that way
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2004.06.04 16:11:00 - [88] Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 04/06/2004 16:15:11 Foolish bat-girl. "Strikingly handsome" is the only description you could possibly attach to my portrait. edit: And Joshua, your suggestion would be -genius-. We know that CCP has the ability to differentiate between alts and mains, as evidenced by the recent distribution of Jove items. Anything to avoid penalizing people like myself who consider earning money an unnecessary evil of this game that should be avoided.
Echo Tirani'Fa	Posted - 2004.06.04 16:12:00 - [89] Edited by: Echo Tirani'Fa on 04/06/2004 16:15:00 atleast your ego makes up for your avatar.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.06.04 16:13:00 - [90] It must be love, wooo woo, dum dum dummmmm, it must be love............. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

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