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Asudem Asen of Asgard 16	Posted - 2012.03.22 16:01:00 - [1] - Quote Changing Character name shouldnt be a big thing to do. You can do it real life by paying money to the regulator agency (at least in Germany) so I thought why it shouldnt be possible in EVE Needed for changing * 200 mil ISK cost or 10 mil per letter to change * Possible only once per year (like the attribute remapping) * Security Standing of 5. * Characters on subscripted accounts onl Only on stations of one of the empire factions in H- and LSec A nice to have feature for more customization as long as the desired name is possible. Open for discussion
Qen Tye The Varangian Guard. United We Stand. 7	Posted - 2012.03.22 16:07:00 - [2] - Quote /signed Have been thinking of this myself as most other online games offers the service (not saying just because others offers it, why not just duplicate). I would not make use of the service myself as I usually think about the names for my toons. Unless it somehow would interfere with bounties, nullifying it or impacts in any other way, I cannot see why not. Could make it part of the plex / aur programme even ?
MushroomMushroom Consolidated Sprocket 7	Posted - 2012.03.22 16:35:00 - [3] - Quote Are you insane? Our name is most of our identity in Eve. This service would be exploited like crazy by every scammer, corp thief and aspiring spy in the game. Maybe if there were some safeguards like a publicly viewable naming history there would be a plausible argument for this, but without at least that, NO WAY IN HELL. Also, the arbitrary 5.0 security status thing makes no sense, security status damaging activity is one of the things that does not create a bad reputation amongst players.
Asudem Asen of Asgard 16	Posted - 2012.03.22 17:21:00 - [4] - Quote MushroomMushroom wrote: Are you insane? Our name is most of our identity in Eve. This service would be exploited like crazy by every scammer, corp thief and aspiring spy in the game. Maybe if there were some safeguards like a publicly viewable naming history there would be a plausible argument for this, but without at least that, NO WAY IN HELL. Added the naming history point. I agree to the identity, but identities can change while the player and his/her character grows and so. And since links in EVE wouldnt become invalid through the change and names would be updated in histories, lists ect. I dont see what why corp thiefes and spies would have it easier to do their thing. Besides, if you are dumb enough to let someone scam you, you deserve it and the name changing feature wouldnt change a bit on that fact. Besides, you could change your name just once per year, so there is enough time to get used to it. The history was a good point, but the rest is nonsense to me. MushroomMushroom wrote: Also, the arbitrary 5.0 security status thing makes no sense, security status damaging activity is one of the things that does not create a bad reputation amongst players. Not supposed to be. Criminals shall not rename themselfes, thats the only reason for the sec status requirement.
Tidurious Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension 193	Posted - 2012.03.22 18:27:00 - [5] - Quote No. Please search the forums before posting repeats. This has been suggested several times, and if you would like to see why, read all the other posts about it.
Astrid Stjerna Teraa Matar 623	Posted - 2012.03.22 21:45:00 - [6] - Quote Asudem wrote: Changing Character name shouldnt be a big thing to do. You can do it real life by paying money to the regulator agency (at least in Germany) so I thought why it shouldnt be possible in EVE Needed for changing * 200 mil ISK cost or 10 mil per letter to change * Possible only once per year (like the attribute remapping) * Security Standing of 5. * Characters on subscripted accounts only Only on stations of one of the empire factions in H- and LSec. Added to this idea: * Public viewable name history. A nice to have feature for more customization as long as the desired name is possible. Open for discussion CCP has already said, many times, that they have no intention of allowing people to rename their characters -- there's just too much potential for 'character recycling' via the Bazaar, and our block lists would become useless. Monoclegate: because calling it 'Doorgate' would just be silly.
Tarn Kugisa Space Mongolian Pinked 41	Posted - 2012.03.23 01:03:00 - [7] - Quote Maybe each character has an ID, so you could change your name, but not your ID. Thus preventing naming scams. Real Caldari Hull Tank (And Win doing so) Support https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16580
Solid Rock Under Heavy Fire Mordus Angels 0	Posted - 2012.03.29 20:01:00 - [8] - Quote I for one would welcome an opportunity to change my character name, it has been 8 years since i made this character and i havent gone by Solid Rock in most other setings for the past 6 of those. It is also worth noting that i was only 15 years old at the time, and as i have become older and more mature i worry that the rather silly name may prevent me from being taken seriously. Yet i do no want to loose 8 years worth of game progress for the sake of a name either There a plenty of ways to safeguard a system like this against abuse, making it a paid service akin to the old portrait transfers will discourage most casual abuse and adding, as was already sugested by the OP, a 12 month cooldown will make it rather useless as a means of getting away with all but the longest cons. At any rate, i believe that the notion that you could disapear completely simply by virtue of a changed name is shaky at best. If you are worth hunting down someone will enivitably put two and two together or your friends will rat you out at the promise of riches or the threat of a 1400 mm canon up their auxiliary exaust port. The potential for abuse is limited at best if implemented properly, i would even say that the security status requirement is a bit much As for block lists, i am certain the game already tracks characters by ID codes rather than names within the games internal logic. It is not a huge stretch to imagine that block's could be made to stick regardless of names.
Asudem Asen of Asgard 16	Posted - 2012.03.30 02:21:00 - [9] - Quote Astrid Stjerna wrote: CCP has already said, many times, that they have no intention of allowing people to rename their characters -- there's just too much potential for 'character recycling' via the Bazaar, and our block lists would become useless. If they are afraid about character recycling on the bazaar, why they have the character bazaar at all? The bazaar itself is the place where characters get recycled, a service to change the name wouldnt make a difference. Or maybe changing the name would even reduce the use of the Bazaar, since old players would rather just change their name instead of starting from the beginning again to achieve their new "identity" in New Eden. And the ID stuff is just how every database works. EVE ones is absolutly no exception. So the character name is just a value in the database and can easily be changed like any other information in your characters database entry. This means if you link for example "Asudem" in a chat and I would rename myself into "WantToF*** ReallyHard", the link in the chat would still link to my characters profile and you would notice that I changed my name. Its the same for EVEMails, Notices or whatever. Also if you would have my API key or vCode, your third party tool would update the name. Its just how DBs work. Otherwise CCP wouldnt change names that violates the EULA, but rather just banhammer those characters because it would mess with the DB.
Qen Tye The Varangian Guard. United We Stand. 10	Posted - 2012.03.30 05:44:00 - [10] - Quote As OP wrote each account have an ID which authenticates your account and password when logging in. That ID also contains all 3 chars you have on said ID. Changing name is nothing more than renaming a file. So there is nothing to be afraid of. The bazaar is worse as I see it since you just biomass one of your own and buy new one. Other games have it and it works well. Just a question to do it right.

Emma Royd Jupiter Industries C0LD Fusion 101	Posted - 2012.03.30 09:32:00 - [11] - Quote So now you expect everybody to trawl through your past aliases to see if you're name is one they recognise for being a scammer / corp thief / greifer etc? You make your bed, so lie in it, it's a name ffs. If the fact that you no longer like your chosen name is that much of a game breaker, then I suggest that eve isn't the game for you, there's far more things to get upset about than your name. There's been so many threads about this in the past, and it's never been taken up by CCP, and I hope it never does, your name is your reputation, get known as a scammer, griefer etc, and you've got 2 choices, put up with it (hey, you chose your actions), or Sell/Biomass the char and start again.
Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc 138	Posted - 2012.03.30 11:35:00 - [12] - Quote Asudem wrote: Changing Character name shouldnt be a big thing to do. You can do it real life by paying money to the regulator agency (at least in Germany) so I thought why it shouldnt be possible in EVE I can ride a bycicle in real life, does not been it would be a benefit or have any place in Eve. Names are your reputation.... reputation is everything in Eve. No to namechanges. Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Qen Tye The Varangian Guard. United We Stand. 10	Posted - 2012.03.30 12:19:00 - [13] - Quote Jint Hikaru wrote: Asudem wrote: Changing Character name shouldnt be a big thing to do. You can do it real life by paying money to the regulator agency (at least in Germany) so I thought why it shouldnt be possible in EVE I can ride a bycicle in real life, does not been it would be a benefit or have any place in Eve. Names are your reputation.... reputation is everything in Eve. No to namechanges. That argument does not hold. I can sell my char legally on the bazaar and buy new one. I cannot do that in real life. I really fail to see why there is so much resistance against this - seriously. Scammers use the bazaar. I interviewed a bloke last night as he wanted to join our corp. We talk in team speak where the alliance directior also was present. His voice was recognised right away + his api and key looked fishy. Turns out he had been kicked from the alliance before and was trying to enter again with a new bought toon from the bazaar. Why so much resistance against a name change when you basically can do it through bazaar already ? Your arguments does not hold water imho.
Asudem Asen of Asgard 17	Posted - 2012.03.30 15:31:00 - [14] - Quote Jint Hikaru wrote: I can ride a bycicle in real life, does not been it would be a benefit or have any place in Eve. Names are your reputation.... reputation is everything in Eve. No to namechanges. Reputation is nothing more than smoke and mirrors.... Your reputation can change so quickly so easily, it wont matter. Know those guys who killed their own corp members for profit in Gallente space? No? Forgotten in less than 3 months! I just remember one because I have him/her in my contact list with a note in his/her profile that I will kill him/her. Otherwise I would had forgot him/her a long time ago. So much for reputation. Exceptions of this are ppl like chribba or alliances like Rooks and Kings. But that is really rare. So giving a name some reputation will only last until you forget about it - I bet its even less than a month, most ppl forget even in 2 weeks or less. Only killmales and your corp history show you quite some story and there is the story you can tell with your character, but therefore a name is just smoke and mirrors as well. Just a side note: CCP mentioned in their 2h+ presentation of the fanfest that they plan to advance the customization of your avatar, if Im not mistaken. This idea is basicly one step in that direction + it provides some ISK sink and since it is limited to those with a good sec status for example, suicide ganker maybe will never be able to change. While thinking about the last point, is it that why you are so obsessed about it? Just wondering.
Astrid Stjerna Teraa Matar 653	Posted - 2012.03.30 16:03:00 - [15] - Quote Asudem wrote: If they are afraid about character recycling on the bazaar, why they have the character bazaar at all? The bazaar itself is the place where characters get recycled, a service to change the name wouldnt make a difference. Or maybe changing the name would even reduce the use of the Bazaar, since old players would rather just change their name instead of starting from the beginning again to achieve their new "identity" in New Eden. Changing the name of an established character opens a whole new set of problems -- a player that chooses to harass another, and gets on their victim's block list, would just be able to change their name and go around the block. Unrepentant scammers would just be able to change their names and escape the consequinces of their actions. CCP said a while back that they don't want to give players a way to 'escape' from the results of their character's choices. If you have a bounty on your head, you'll have to deal with it. If you've pis*ed off someone's entire corporation, then you're really* up the creek, but -- too bad -- the end result is yours to deal with. In the offline world, a criminal's name is plastered across the news. He can call himself 'Bob' all he wants, but if someone recognizes him as 'Fred the Escaped Convict', he's going to go back to jail. It's the same thing in EvE -- you can't just walk away from your past like nothing ever happened. I can't get rid of my darn signature!-á Oh, wait....
Asudem Asen of Asgard 17	Posted - 2012.03.30 16:30:00 - [16] - Quote Astrid Stjerna wrote: Changing the name of an established character opens a whole new set of problems -- a player that chooses to harass another, and gets on their victim's block list, would just be able to change their name and go around the block. Unrepentant scammers would just be able to change their names and escape the consequinces of their actions. It wont happen, because a database works with IDs and if you change your name you dont change your ID so basicly links, contact lists, KMs ect. would be untouched by the change of that persons name and so personal notices, bounty ect. wouldnt be affected too. And since you can change only ONCE PER YEAR, you have enough time to track someone down. Astrid Stjerna wrote: CCP said a while back that they don't want to give players a way to 'escape' from the results of their character's choices. If you have a bounty on your head, you'll have to deal with it. If you've pis*ed off someone's entire corporation, then you're really* up the creek, but -- too bad -- the end result is yours to deal with. Do they actually play EVE? Im not sure, but I think it is quite easy to escape someones wrath since EVE is a huge universe and if you arent a dumbass you will survive in it regardless who is hunting you down. At least as a single person. If you mess up in Amarr space, just move to Gallente space and start anew. Astrid Stjerna wrote: In the offline world, a criminal's name is plastered across the news. He can call himself 'Bob' all he wants, but if someone recognizes him as 'Fred the Escaped Convict', he's going to go back to jail. It's the same thing in EvE -- you can't just walk away from your past like nothing ever happened. It is not what I wanted to do with this idea. It is more like an additional way of personalisation since you grow with your character and like Solid Rock you become more mature and your name sounds too childish and you dont want to throw away years of progress - which would eradicate a part of EVEs history in fact. As for me, I am wandet to change my name a little bit to bring it on a level with my non-EVE-project, but I put so much work into this character, I cannot allow myself to throw that away. Even if Im bad in PVP, I gathered alot of experiences in that time and I want to keep that history up - I might just rename once in my whole career on this toon. Maybe Im an Autist, but thats a different story.
Iman Atheist Painless Gain Ventures 0	Posted - 2012.03.30 16:43:00 - [17] - Quote Tarn Kugisa wrote: Maybe each character has an ID, so you could change your name, but not your ID. Thus preventing naming scams. THIS
Solid Rock Under Heavy Fire Mordus Angels 0	Posted - 2012.03.31 19:50:00 - [18] - Quote Astrid Stjerna wrote: [quote=Asudem]In the offline world, a criminal's name is plastered across the news. He can call himself 'Bob' all he wants, but if someone recognizes him as 'Fred the Escaped Convict', he's going to go back to jail. It's the same thing in EvE -- you can't just walk away from your past like nothing ever happened. And this is ofcourse why witness protection programs never work and criminals on the run are always caught. Because humans are completely impossible to fool and everyone has an eidetic memory for faces. Regardless of the myriad ways in which a feature such as this is perceivably open to abuse i have yet to hear one that is still a credible threat to the games integrity assuming a 12 month cooldown. How often do you reckon the average EVE criminal finds himself up **** creek? How many EVE players do you know of who are entirely solitary? The name is only a superficial part of a character and, as i have sated earlier, if someone wants you found it will require quite a bit more than a simple name change to stay hidden. You might get a few days or even a week or two in the clear before you are right back where you started, unless you are willing to cut all ties with your friends and start over completely. People who are willing to go this far are probably already doing so using new characters bought from the bazaar.
Qen Tye The Varangian Guard. 10	Posted - 2012.03.31 20:09:00 - [19] - Quote Spot on Solid Rock and Asudem. Seriously - this is not rocket science but more a question of willing than anything else as I read the posts.
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance 63	Posted - 2012.04.01 04:08:00 - [20] - Quote Asudem wrote: Changing Character name shouldnt be a big thing to do. You can do it real life by paying money to the regulator agency (at least in Germany) so I thought why it shouldnt be possible in EVE Needed for changing * 200 mil ISK cost or 10 mil per letter to change * Possible only once per year (like the attribute remapping) * Security Standing of 5. * Characters on subscripted accounts only Only on stations of one of the empire factions in H- and LSec. Added to this idea: * Public viewable name history. A nice to have feature for more customization as long as the desired name is possible. Open for discussion No. In a sand box game like eve your name is your identity and is tied to a history of acts that effect you player to player reputation. I believe you should never be able to change a name once it's penned. Especially since the sale of a character could depend on that character rep.. actions in eve should have consequences - not all based on game mechanics. I really don't like the idea of having to sift through mountains of alis' to determine if any player is someone I need to avoid allowing into my corp. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG]

Solid Rock Under Heavy Fire Mordus Angels 0	Posted - 2012.04.01 07:12:00 - [21] - Quote Barbara Nichole wrote: I really don't like the idea of having to sift through mountains of alis' to determine if any player is someone I need to avoid allowing into my corp. Again, assuming a 12 month cooldown, even if this feature had been introduced on launch day no one character could possibly have more than 9 aliases. The reality of the thing is that you may have to look through 3 or 4 past aliases or, in the case of most players, none. As for the character trading, are you honestly suggesting that it is a good thing that it is possible to buy someone elses reputation? Potentially wiping your slate clean is a terrible idea but the ability to take on someone elses past achievements completely undeserved is one of the things that makes EVE great? If anything a name wipe aught to be mandatory for traded characters, everyone is afraid of scammers and other criminals escaping justice but have you considered that it is currently possible to buy good-will?
Asudem Asen of Asgard 17	Posted - 2012.04.01 07:49:00 - [22] - Quote Barbara Nichole wrote: I really don't like the idea of having to sift through mountains of alis' to determine if any player is someone I need to avoid allowing into my corp. You are only making it hard for yourself. Such a person is added to the corp contacts and has a bad standing (eg -10). And you still can leave a notice in that persons profile so YOU WILL remember on the first look why you dont want to let that player join your corp or whatever. No matter how often that person renames itself, even if that pilot is on the other bun of New Eden, you will remember that person and see how his/her current name is no matter what. This name changing will only allow someone to escape the reputation if you are a dumb. And in this case, that person would escape its reputation even without the service to change names. Thats how I handle my personal list of people that will never join my corp and it works really well while it is just a few seconds up to one minute of time you spend. Your reputation changes or better evolves through your actions not through your names. If you didnt get that then you didnt understand the way EVE is.
Ariete Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 0	Posted - 2012.04.01 11:15:00 - [23] - Quote I have played a few games where you could rename, I wish you could rename in eve. In all the other games when you renamed a character the game has updated all records of the old name to the new name. So any lists of banned names from corps would be updated to the new name, any contracts etc etc. So i don't see it an issue there as for time limit most have 30 days. Wether CCP would do it , I would say no.
Nestara Aldent Citimatics 66	Posted - 2012.04.01 11:28:00 - [24] - Quote Astrid Stjerna wrote: Asudem wrote: If they are afraid about character recycling on the bazaar, why they have the character bazaar at all? The bazaar itself is the place where characters get recycled, a service to change the name wouldnt make a difference. Or maybe changing the name would even reduce the use of the Bazaar, since old players would rather just change their name instead of starting from the beginning again to achieve their new "identity" in New Eden. Changing the name of an established character opens a whole new set of problems -- a player that chooses to harass another, and gets on their victim's block list, would just be able to change their name and go around the block. Unrepentant scammers would just be able to change their names and escape the consequinces of their actions. CCP said a while back that they don't want to give players a way to 'escape' from the results of their character's choices. If you have a bounty on your head, you'll have to deal with it. If you've pis*ed off someone's entire corporation, then you're really* up the creek, but -- too bad -- the end result is yours to deal with. In the offline world, a criminal's name is plastered across the news. He can call himself 'Bob' all he wants, but if someone recognizes him as 'Fred the Escaped Convict', he's going to go back to jail. It's the same thing in EvE -- you can't just walk away from your past like nothing ever happened. No because the block don't use character name, but char ID number from the database. If you block me and I change name, I'd remain blocked under a new name, because my char ID doesn't change. Technically its easy to implement.
Rimase Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact 11	Posted - 2012.04.01 12:26:00 - [25] - Quote I want to change my name.
Wastelander Miccey Umbrella Holding Inc Umbrella Chemical Inc 0	Posted - 2012.04.01 16:55:00 - [26] - Quote What about Character/Toon transfers?!? If i would transfer THIS toon to another player, the "Toon" identity would be GONE?! Right.. The Reputation is still there yes, BUT the NEW player is in NO way responsible for the toons PAST is he now.. I would vote YES on a a way to change CharacterName. But not at any cost.. A Isk cost YES Security standing shouldnt matter imho Once a year, hmm no..That wouldnt be good... Special stations perhaps. With a Medical Fac. OR a PRIME system But YES to namechange
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 7390	Posted - 2012.04.01 17:14:00 - [27] - Quote Asudem wrote: MushroomMushroom wrote: Also, the arbitrary 5.0 security status thing makes no sense, security status damaging activity is one of the things that does not create a bad reputation amongst players. Not supposed to be. Criminals shall not rename themselfes, thats the only reason for the sec status requirement. Being a pirate is a sanctioned and well loved way of life within this sandbox we call Eve. That alone quite frankly, makes your arbitrary limit upon sec status look like a joke. Also, no. CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Qen Tye The Varangian Guard. 10	Posted - 2012.04.01 17:34:00 - [28] - Quote Ok as said before: 1) We are talking about a database where any entry have an id. Changing name of any records bound to that id doesnt change anything except the name of the said record. The same id is tied to any blockings, reputation, ships, containers, alts, main, jump clones, skills - basically everything you have accumulated on your account. 2) As I said before - it is not rocket science more a question of willing to do it. Seriously do any of you think changing a record in database is such a big deal? Phone companies, aviation companies, logistic companies, pharmaceutical companies, dataware houses, hosting facilities - you name more - You really think they lose track if a company calls and say, 'Hey we are not longer named XX but now XY, please change.' 'Ohhh... sry we cannot do that - cause we just ... eh .... uhm ... we dont want to, ok?' Most other mmorpgs offer this service for either real money or ingame money - but they offer it and from what I've seen - asshats gets recognized cause a name does not change your personality. Give me one good and descent reason besides, 'Oh but scammers/criminals bla bla bla' - not valid. It is a question of - Will to implement it - Implement it right Period!
Asudem Asen of Asgard 18	Posted - 2012.04.01 17:53:00 - [29] - Quote I removed the point that a sec status is needed. Also I think this service could be offered on specific stations for politics. I dont think medical stations fit right into that, but maybe thats just my opinion. As said, it isnt a big deal of work. A hand full of devs can work out that concept and take the responsebility for testing while just 1-3 are needed to sacrifice a few lunch breaks for this. It could be done within a week (for concept, implementing, testing ect.) and it would take that much time away from the bug fixing team.
Dantes Wolf Caldari Provisions Caldari State 14	Posted - 2012.04.01 20:54:00 - [30] - Quote +1 I'm pretty happy about my name, but need to change it on account of a historical glitch: The Wolf in Dantes Devine Comedy is a Female, so.. ye.. lol - but in short, signed and let it happen, if nothing else, stop the frenzy on "one year cooldown" but let it be a paid service, still with the public namechange/I'D showing up and leading to the same toon ( now with a new name ) instead of the cooldown - it'll give CCP an economic incitement to actually go forward with it, prevent it from being overly abused and ultimately give senior players like "Caldari Citizen 1012010202003" with his 120 Mil SP's a chance to be taken seriously for a change. And yes, i understand the lore issue, the abusive issue and all the other points made, but.. seriously, fact is most of us making the first year will be here on and off for proberbly the rest of our lives, in smaller or larger scale, and players do get older and change.. I'm for it. Dantes Plot of The Crying Game: She's a guy.



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