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CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance 1029	Posted - 2012.03.22 18:46:00 - [1] - Quote Those watching the Live Stream of Fanfest witnessed an historical eventGÇöthe true linking of player action between two games on two different platforms in the same shared universe. During an intense battle on the planet surface where the immortal mercenaries of DUST 514 wreaked havoc on their enemies, the attacking forces called on assistance from a near orbit pilot in EVE Online to clear the path to victory by bombarding the planet in real time. In this true first-glimpse at gameplay, the yet unreleased free-to-download-and-play PlayStation 3 exclusive DUST 514 showed that the future of the EVE universe has a truly limitless potential with the addition of the AAA first person shooter. CCP Navigator -Community Manager

Ryunosuke Kusanagi 24	Posted - 2012.03.22 18:53:00 - [2] - Quote First? also Orbital strikes looked pretty sweet, also, dont walk in front of the heavy arms without taking damage :)
Sephira Galamore Nemesis Holdings Corp Luna Sanguinem 9	Posted - 2012.03.22 18:54:00 - [3] - Quote The part I saw was awesome! .. sadly, that was only some seconds, as the stream was messed up just at the start of the Keynote (as everyone tuned in).
Camios Minmatar Bread Corporation 75	Posted - 2012.03.22 18:54:00 - [4] - Quote Really nice, but we already knew about it. Now tell us why should we help mercenaries or hire them.
Xercodo Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition 980	Posted - 2012.03.22 18:56:00 - [5] - Quote Bombardment was ******* awesome The Drake is a Lie
Xlera Universal Fleet Operations 0	Posted - 2012.03.22 18:59:00 - [6] - Quote too bad HD stream stopped working during the dust demo.
D Program Ambient Fleet 17	Posted - 2012.03.22 19:02:00 - [7] - Quote Epic ****! What is this sorcery? http://www.eve-cost.eu
Callidus Dux School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 150	Posted - 2012.03.22 19:04:00 - [8] - Quote Dust. Is it the game without me?
Jag Kara Dirty Work Inc. Sspectre 16	Posted - 2012.03.22 19:08:00 - [9] - Quote Tried the game at fanfest earlier today. it is going to be awesome.
LtCol Laurentius Digital Fury Corporation Outbreak. 20	Posted - 2012.03.22 19:16:00 - [10] - Quote I'm still left with more questions that answers tbh. the Dust-EVE link is till very very unclear. I expected more after all the hype. 1) How do you expect Dust Players on PS3 to fund their PVP? Grinding for Isk? Not likely. Getting funded by EVE players? Maybe, if you are good. Paying Aurum? Probably. 2) You have 7 years worth of skills, a complex skilling system and thus you clearly expect people to commit to this game for a long time. And yet, you go F2P, which in plainspeak means that you expect a lot of your players to pay real money to get what they need (see question 1) above). After all, you are not a charity organization. Exactly how long do you expect people to be willing to pay for kit to play Dust? 3) What happens if there are 300 abbadons shooting that surface target instead of one? Do you think Dust players on a PS3 will continue playing if they just get wiped without any possibility of defending themselves over and over again? How do you plan to handle the obvious endless possibilities for griefplay?
Elmanketticks State Protectorate Caldari State 2	Posted - 2012.03.22 19:21:00 - [11] - Quote +1 to Laurentius. Is it possible to have a look at the video somewhere, a recording on youtube or something? FOR THE STATE!
Peri Helion Omega Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Curatores Veritatis Alliance 0	Posted - 2012.03.22 19:22:00 - [12] - Quote If the PI Infrastructure becomes destructible, I certainly hope the mechanism of setup and operation is vastly simplified in order to compensate. I dont like PI setup as it is, but I dont mind it since it is a one time setup currently. But if setup becomes repetitive due to Dust that is truly terrible.
Udonor Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.03.22 19:47:00 - [13] - Quote I suspect that #1 orbital strikes will be fairly expensive (i.e. worse than bomb launchers, may 100M or more per strike) #2 like real world soldiers there will be options to "dig in" and "close hatches" that will greatly reduce the effectiveness of orbital strikes. Of course like real world you are trading ground combat effectiveness for orbital strike survivability. But yes I have a lot of questions about PI and survivability of infrastructure. It sort of sounds like PI may become a full time occupation with constant rebuilding and lots of time paying DUST spies to detect incoming attacks and shuttling extra mercenary corps around as reinforcements. Not going to remain profitable at current prices for sure. Try 20-50 times the price just to pay for my time since I can't do much else - not counting 20-50 times current price for rebuilding expenses and DUST costs. All meaning PI could be hugely disrupted if DUST takes off. And thus anything like POS construction which is DUST dependent could be become very expensive. What would happen to null sec if POS became say 1/3 as common and 10 times as expensive? Of course DUST might not gain the numbers to effect that many worlds and PI installations at once. Maybe most the action will center on just few worlds...until the EVE players give up and let PI die off on that planet. Then the DUST players move to another planet and a little later some EVE player setup again in the ruins of the old planet hoping no one notices.
Udonor Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.03.22 19:57:00 - [14] - Quote Could it be that DUST play is supposed to take PI more or less intact? Maybe we will have a repair bill similar to ships when we take control through our DUST group. Maybe just may be cheap orbital strikes will be offset by the consequence of massively more damage to PI we are taking over. However to be honest I doubt that alone will discourage much griefing of DUST players and other PI users -- unless there is also damage to resources for some time period. Without that, why not just orbit strike PI installations and DUST bunnies out of the way and build your own replacement PI install at current prices?
Tomas Syrvo Asymmetric Industries 2	Posted - 2012.03.22 19:58:00 - [15] - Quote Any external links to the Keynote for those of us who could not watch it? I am finding nothing on You Tube or anywhere with a replay.
DEFIER ORILIS DEFIANCE FRENETIC REGIMENT 9	Posted - 2012.03.22 20:05:00 - [16] - Quote Yea! What about us! I got to work here while you guys are partying! I need a link to feel the love! Dang!
Di Mulle 45	Posted - 2012.03.22 20:07:00 - [17] - Quote Tomas Syrvo wrote: Any external links to the Keynote for those of us who could not watch it? I am finding nothing on You Tube or anywhere with a replay. Check EVETV schedule, they will be repeating everything later today. Or on Youtube in about a week. CCP is unable to implement simpliest things. Like settting to hide signatures. So they sweep it under a rug . Children do that in their pre-shool years, CCP does it being adults. Probably because it is fearless enough.
Tomas Syrvo Asymmetric Industries 2	Posted - 2012.03.22 20:07:00 - [18] - Quote I am really surprised no one filmed it on their Iphone and then posted it 5 minutes later on the Inter-Tubes.
Tomas Syrvo Asymmetric Industries 2	Posted - 2012.03.22 20:08:00 - [19] - Quote Di Mulle wrote: Tomas Syrvo wrote: Any external links to the Keynote for those of us who could not watch it? I am finding nothing on You Tube or anywhere with a replay. Check EVETV schedule, they will be repeating everything later today. Or on Youtube in about a week. Good to know. Thanks.
LtCol Laurentius Digital Fury Corporation Outbreak. 20	Posted - 2012.03.22 20:19:00 - [20] - Quote There is a rerun of the dust514 keynote scheduled for 0200 GMT on EVETV. The original keynote got delayed about an hour though. Dunno if this will affect the rerun as well.
Alx Warlord SUPERNOVA SOCIETY Tribal Conclave 83	Posted - 2012.03.22 20:54:00 - [21] - Quote I would like so much to have the whole EVETV Stream uploaded somewhere! To watch again and again and again... where can I download it? =D
Ms Twitch Skunkwerx Manufacturing Pan Galactic Federation 7	Posted - 2012.03.22 21:43:00 - [22] - Quote This is possibly the only reason I need to go buy a console
Louis deGuerre The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities 232	Posted - 2012.03.22 21:52:00 - [23] - Quote You missed out the part where one of the EVE players shot the other to get the full bounty for the orbital strike. Best bit of fanfest so far FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! Louis's epic skill guide v1.1
Matiel Shrike Lupus Draconis Dragehund 1	Posted - 2012.03.22 21:53:00 - [24] - Quote To all those people who are speculating about Orbital Bombardment, you have forgotten two essential things. One: ECM will be in dust, and so it's likely that you can get orbital targeting disruptors or something to put on the mobile command centers to stop orby bombing. Two: The installations can fight back. Remember the E3 dust trailer? With the so dubbed 'skyfire battery'? I think there's gonna be an implementation of that which will basically concord any ships that orby bomb or something. And to those who have read EVE: Templar One, I think that CCP will implement anti-ship missiles and stuff like that, or even anti-munition munitions to neutralize orbital strikes? right now it's mostly theories, but the point i'm trying to make here is that for the time being, a lot of things could happen, and a lot of things could be used to balance the game in terms of orby bombing. I for one am looking forward to killing mercs with the oldest trick in the book: WARP THROUGH THE PLANET! well, that, or just flying inside the planet in a cap stable MWD executioner...
LtCol Laurentius Digital Fury Corporation Outbreak. 20	Posted - 2012.03.22 21:59:00 - [25] - Quote Matiel Shrike wrote: right now it's mostly theories, but the point i'm trying to make here is that for the time being, a lot of things could happen, and a lot of things could be used to balance the game in terms of orby bombing. The point I'm trying to make however, is that we are now at fanfest 2012, with Dust514 scheduled to launch later this year (early summer?), and the information given by CCP regarding these questions are STILL mainly pretty pictures and sales pitches.
Jenna Sol Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.03.22 22:02:00 - [26] - Quote I'm more concerned of the two following situations: -What if Dust doesn't pick off and turns out to be abandoned after a few months of play? -What happens once Dust has been done with its lifetime? Console games don't really last as long. Are they just going to strip the Dust features from Eve?
Katarina Reid Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 133	Posted - 2012.03.22 22:41:00 - [27] - Quote Can u fund ur dust account from ur eve account. Something like contract urself to do something easy but pay loads of isk/Aurum. Then you can just buy all the expensive stuff at launch. Also if dust is irrelevant to eve then dust players wont get payed but if it matters to pi its just going to put up prices of eve items. i can see dust player destroys ur plant u just move or rebuild. there loads of plants so u just got to be unluck to get hit to many times.
Gilbaron Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke 162	Posted - 2012.03.22 22:43:00 - [28] - Quote Jenna Sol wrote: I'm more concerned of the two following situations: -What if Dust doesn't pick off and turns out to be abandoned after a few months of play? -What happens once Dust has been done with its lifetime? Console games don't really last as long. Are they just going to strip the Dust features from Eve? I'm pretty sure that at first there won't be a big interaction between eve and dust (on the important for the game scale) dust is crossing so many borders and opens so many possibilities in eve, while also being the first of its kind for (mmo)-games that ccp and their partner Sony will be extremely careful at the beginning. I would not be to surprised if the only interaction at the beginning will be orbital bombardments and maybe transporting stuff around. Making the 400.000 player sandbox-economy of eve depend on the the possible millions of dust players who also live in a sandbox could be devastating as long as the scale of dust is not clear yet. In the long run something like breaking into the enemies starbase to steal his weekly technetium production and disabling his production lines for some time with the help of ships buildt in eve with materials farmed in in dust and dust players transported in landing crafts piloted by eve players is technically possible but a stupid idea to start with (and a great thing to aim for in the medium/long run)
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 1067	Posted - 2012.03.22 23:26:00 - [29] - Quote LtCol Laurentius wrote: The point I'm trying to make however, is that we are now at fanfest 2012, with Dust514 scheduled to launch later this year (early summer?), and the information given by CCP regarding these questions are STILL mainly pretty pictures and sales pitches. CCP's point, which is going to be expressed through a number of sessions, is that EVE/DUST link is still in progress. They have basic bits in place such as orbital bombardment, sky fire cannon, shield generators, orbital infrastructure, etc. 300 Abaddons are going to have a hard time bombarding the surface if they are being shot up by orbital defenses, and if you can get 300 battleships to the fight there is every reason to expect PL to arrive shortly with a hundred titans and supercarriers to sweep your rabble put of the sky. As a downloadable game, there is no need to lock DUST 514's game design down from the first day of release.
LtCol Laurentius Digital Fury Corporation Outbreak. 20	Posted - 2012.03.23 00:03:00 - [30] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: CCP's point, which is going to be expressed through a number of sessions, is that EVE/DUST link is still in progress. This seems to be very evident indeed. I guess I will disagree loudly with you that this isnt a problem though. Not talking about even core game mechanics at this point in time doesnt bode well. Basically, they: - Dont adress the apparent disconnect between the goal of high player retention and the chosen business model, despite the issue beeing raised by players repeatedly on forums and social media. - Dont adress how to handle endless possibilities of griefplay - Dont adress how Dust will affect EVE in any detail not previosly known - Dont adress how EVE will affect DUST in any detail not previosly known - Dont adress how they intend to balance the incredibly tight relationship between EVE and DUST to ensure that the two games affect eachother meaningfully while at the same time not destroying the gameplay of either game But most importantly, uses THE MOST IMPORTANT opportunity to talk about these things to show pretty pictures and provide marketingspeach instead. With probably 2-3 months until launch. Call me unimpressed.
Xantor Bludberry 29	Posted - 2012.03.23 00:57:00 - [31] - Quote DUST is ugly. Sorry, but it is so. :( Not impressed at all.
VanderMarq Black Ice Tactical Echelon 0	Posted - 2012.03.23 00:57:00 - [32] - Quote If anyone doesn't want there DUST 514 beta key PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contact me! I would be very interested in a trade!
GeeShizzle MacCloud 78	Posted - 2012.03.23 00:57:00 - [33] - Quote fyi im uploading a 720p version of the dust514 keynote to youtube now... barring CCP telling me to not of course. ive looked and looked for anything telling me i cant, and ive asked here and there and not received anything saying i cant so expect it on youtube in approx 57mins.
Herping yourDerp Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 415	Posted - 2012.03.23 02:15:00 - [34] - Quote wish i would have been in beta.
Ronen Osden Ronen's NEW And Improved Mining Services 5	Posted - 2012.03.23 02:17:00 - [35] - Quote Really wish DUST 514 was coming on Xbox 360 not PS3 ... Ive never liked Sony :( I want-áSignature Images back ... Paid good money to an artist to have-ásome done for me.
Siegfried VonTeufel Epsilon Lyr Controlled Chaos 0	Posted - 2012.03.23 03:22:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Navigator wrote: ... the yet unreleased free-to-download-and-play PlayStation 3 exclusive DUST 514 showed that.... Free to play, DUST514?! Am I reading this right??
Dalton Vanadis Imperium Technologies F0RCEFUL ENTRY 438	Posted - 2012.03.23 04:19:00 - [37] - Quote Yes, DUST is F2P, but not P2W according to them. From what they said, you can't just willy nilly orby bomb dusties. You 1. need a specific launch code to lock onto the target (presumably only usable by one ship at a time). 2. There are cool down and spool up timers (probably significant), they said they were using dev hacks for illustrative purposes. 3. They have an entire session devoted to orbital warfare later. Additionally, the whole point of this keynote was to show a working prototype of their product to show where it's at. And from that point, explain the reasoning behind the rest of their DUST related panels. These include: Orbital warfare, DUST/EVE link, how DUST will affect alliances, plus a couple roundtables and open discussions. They've also said that they have several tiers of Beta left and they'll be polling player feedback on how extensive the link should be, what they showed was not a final product. Personally, they still have a lot of things to say, and they have 2 more days to go over it in this event and months more in dev blogs and forum posts. So, waiting and seeing what else they have. I'll remain optimistic.
Buelle Aucie I.S.K Malcoms Brown Coat Alliance 0	Posted - 2012.03.23 05:25:00 - [38] - Quote Louis deGuerre wrote: You missed out the part where one of the EVE players shot the other to get the full bounty for the orbital strike. Best bit of fanfest so far LOL!!!! Wish I could have seen that!
ShadowFire15 BOAE INC GIANTSBANE. 68	Posted - 2012.03.23 06:35:00 - [39] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF4diq-KlXI ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT Stan Smith had a snow storm over weekend guy was shoveling snow outside, so i shot him and mined the snow myself. concord never showed up. on an unrelated note, i have a court date next tuesday
Rancyin TURN LEFT 32	Posted - 2012.03.23 07:30:00 - [40] - Quote As a hardcore FPS player for many many years. Dust for me looks awsome. The main pulling point is the larger effects in game. where winning or defending a map actually means something on a much larger scale. This is what to this day keep's planetside players hooked. My only concern would be orbital strikes. I really hope that they cannot be set off in hisec. Becasue this feature would bring so much more action to low sec which needs some love. /Rancyin GÖªGÖªGÖªKillboard Banner ServiceGÖªGÖªGÖª
Callidus Dux School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 150	Posted - 2012.03.23 07:35:00 - [41] - Quote Siegfried VonTeufel wrote: CCP Navigator wrote: ... the yet unreleased free-to-download-and-play PlayStation 3 exclusive DUST 514 showed that.... Free to play, DUST514?! Am I reading this right?? That is correct. You pay in EVE that Dusties can play for free. Nearly free.. they pay once for the game. This is why I, as EVE player, hate DUST so much. CCP should use MY monthly subscription fee to improve the game I pay for! Especially that DUST is a console only game and I, as PC user, am not able / willing to buy a console and play the game. A console from a company with a lot of attacks and hacks on customers data. I hope that DUST will be the same fail as the last "improvements" from CCP in EVE. I mean the not customizable Neocrapcom; the bugged and delayed overview or this fabulous new launcher. I would like to see that DUST dies within the first months and CCP will REAL integrate DUST into EVE so that ALL paying EVE players are able to play dust without a console. Or DUST dies and CCP dies.. By now I dont care anymore! CCP has it made that I become a EVE hater from a EVE lover. Too mutch fail by development, ignorance from developer and management and they ignore the customer if they bring suggestions or report bugs. Ask for their customers feedback but decline every statement to problems in EVE. Refuse a rollback if there is a problem like the last with the sh!t launcher. Bring a nex shop and this fugging currency AURUM which is in fact microtransaction! THAT DOESNT FIT INTO A GAME WITH MONTHLY SUBSCRIBTION CCP!
GeeShizzle MacCloud 80	Posted - 2012.03.23 08:02:00 - [42] - Quote full dust514 keynote presentation for any who missed it!
Rancyin TURN LEFT 32	Posted - 2012.03.23 08:33:00 - [43] - Quote Callidus Dux wrote: Siegfried VonTeufel wrote: CCP Navigator wrote: ... the yet unreleased free-to-download-and-play PlayStation 3 exclusive DUST 514 showed that.... Free to play, DUST514?! Am I reading this right?? That is correct. You pay in EVE that Dusties can play for free. Nearly free.. they pay once for the game. This is why I, as EVE player, hate DUST so much. CCP should use MY monthly subscription fee to improve the game I pay for! Especially that DUST is a console only game and I, as PC user, am not able / willing to buy a console and play the game. A console from a company with a lot of attacks and hacks on customers data. I hope that DUST will be the same fail as the last "improvements" from CCP in EVE. I mean the not customizable Neocrapcom; the bugged and delayed overview or this fabulous new launcher. I would like to see that DUST dies within the first months and CCP will REAL integrate DUST into EVE so that ALL paying EVE players are able to play dust without a console. Or DUST dies and CCP dies.. By now I dont care anymore! CCP has it made that I become a EVE hater from a EVE lover. Too mutch fail by development, ignorance from developer and management and they ignore the customer if they bring suggestions or report bugs. Ask for their customers feedback but decline every statement to problems in EVE. Refuse a rollback if there is a problem like the last with the sh!t launcher. Bring a nex shop and this fugging currency AURUM which is in fact microtransaction! THAT DOESNT FIT INTO A GAME WITH MONTHLY SUBSCRIBTION CCP! What planet are you on? No one in there right mind would pay a monthly sub for a FPS game on a console. Obviously you have no understanding and your completely arrogent on how companies like CCP survive. The future of games are here. and for companies to survice Micro transactions are the way forward love it or hate it. GÖªGÖªGÖªKillboard Banner ServiceGÖªGÖªGÖª
Xantor Bludberry 29	Posted - 2012.03.23 08:45:00 - [44] - Quote GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote: full dust514 keynote presentation for any who missed it! WOW, thanks man!
GeeShizzle MacCloud 81	Posted - 2012.03.23 08:57:00 - [45] - Quote Xantor Bludberry wrote: GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote: full dust514 keynote presentation for any who missed it! WOW, thanks man! anytime m8! 'like' the post if you feel its worth it!
Xervish Krin Shiva Furnace 8	Posted - 2012.03.23 09:02:00 - [46] - Quote Callidus Dux wrote: Siegfried VonTeufel wrote: CCP Navigator wrote: ... the yet unreleased free-to-download-and-play PlayStation 3 exclusive DUST 514 showed that.... Free to play, DUST514?! Am I reading this right?? That is correct. You pay in EVE that Dusties can play for free. Nearly free.. they pay once for the game. This is why I, as EVE player, hate DUST so much. CCP should use MY monthly subscription fee to improve the game I pay for! Especially that DUST is a console only game and I, as PC user, am not able / willing to buy a console and play the game. A console from a company with a lot of attacks and hacks on customers data. I hope that DUST will be the same fail as the last "improvements" from CCP in EVE. I mean the not customizable Neocrapcom; the bugged and delayed overview or this fabulous new launcher. I would like to see that DUST dies within the first months and CCP will REAL integrate DUST into EVE so that ALL paying EVE players are able to play dust without a console. Or DUST dies and CCP dies.. By now I dont care anymore! CCP has it made that I become a EVE hater from a EVE lover. Too mutch fail by development, ignorance from developer and management and they ignore the customer if they bring suggestions or report bugs. Ask for their customers feedback but decline every statement to problems in EVE. Refuse a rollback if there is a problem like the last with the sh!t launcher. Bring a nex shop and this fugging currency AURUM which is in fact microtransaction! THAT DOESNT FIT INTO A GAME WITH MONTHLY SUBSCRIBTION CCP! Any other company channels some of its income into new products. The guys who made your phone? They're probably CHANNELLING YOUR CONTRACT MONIES INTO A NEW PHONE THAT YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BUY. Your car manufacturer of choice? They're putting some of the money you paid them towards a MILLION POUND CAR THAT YOU PROBABLY WON'T EVER GET. So why is it that as soon as CCP does the same they become an evil company of death? They already provide free expansions twice a year, but all that seems to have done is given people like you a ridiculous sense of entitlement to having everything done specifically for you because YOU PAID THEM MONIES, DAMMIT.
Kal Gnak WaYnE AG 1	Posted - 2012.03.23 09:12:00 - [47] - Quote The orbital-bombardment seems to be a cool thing, in most cases if its live, the next thing im interested how does it work on massiv fleetfight where "TIME-Dilation" has its side-effect will that dilation count for the dust-players too ? or the servers get asynchron and crash ? The next cool thing i want to see are drones from Battleships or carriers make airstrikes on the planet surface(they have to be visible by the dustplayers and they should be able to destroy them with anti-air weapons not only bombardment, i am also missed up in the demonstration is a way that dustplayer can defend or interrup orbital- / airstrikes, maybe some dust moduls for targeting jamming that the other force has to destroy till the orbital strike can be made. As i have seen in the presentation you have a dustplayer to order the strike and he has to place a marker on the map till the ship outside orbiting the planet can strike on that location. That prevents eve player on randomly or just for fun spaming the orbital-strikes. The next thing im missing up, are pirat-faction based items and vehicles will there ever be a dread guristas hovertank or assault rifle out there for dustplayers? to be similar to the eve Pirate-factional ships/weapons/amunition? Will dustplayers be able to fight Sleepers on WH-SPACE planets or atack planets of the JOVE-EMPIRE as late game PVE/coop content ? When its not controlled or owend by players? When i controll a planet, how does it defend its self till my mercs arrive as reinforcemnet ? is there any AI driven defense?
Callidus Dux School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 150	Posted - 2012.03.23 09:47:00 - [48] - Quote Rancyin wrote: Callidus Dux wrote: ... What planet are you on? No one in there right mind would pay a monthly sub for a FPS game on a console. Obviously you have no understanding and your completely arrogent on how companies like CCP survive. The future of games are here. and for companies to survice Micro transactions are the way forward love it or hate it. Xervish Krin wrote: Callidus Dux wrote: ... So why is it that as soon as CCP does the same they become an evil company of death? They already provide free expansions twice a year, but all that seems to have done is given people like you a ridiculous sense of entitlement to having everything done specifically for you because YOU PAID THEM MONIES, DAMMIT. It is correct, that no one will pay a monthly fee for a console game. Perhaps you are right and the furure of a game like DUST is on console. But why must I pay for EVE, when all others can play for free with teir console? A second game from the same company but I am the only one who pays but beeing excluded from playing with my PC? That is, what I dislike. And yeah! I hate microtransactions. And it is my personal opinion, that such a finance model is wrong in a game with monthly subscribtion fee.
nirtal Bogazici Procrastinators 0	Posted - 2012.03.23 10:26:00 - [49] - Quote Callidus Dux wrote: Rancyin wrote: Callidus Dux wrote: ... What planet are you on? No one in there right mind would pay a monthly sub for a FPS game on a console. Obviously you have no understanding and your completely arrogent on how companies like CCP survive. The future of games are here. and for companies to survice Micro transactions are the way forward love it or hate it. Xervish Krin wrote: Callidus Dux wrote: ... So why is it that as soon as CCP does the same they become an evil company of death? They already provide free expansions twice a year, but all that seems to have done is given people like you a ridiculous sense of entitlement to having everything done specifically for you because YOU PAID THEM MONIES, DAMMIT. It is correct, that no one will pay a monthly fee for a console game. Perhaps you are right and the furure of a game like DUST is on console without any (excl. purchasing price) fees for the customer. But why must I pay for EVE, when all others can play for free with teir console? A second game from the same company but I am the only one who pays and is excluded from playing with my PC? That is, what I dislike. It would be OK for me, if CCP brings DUST for console AND PC, so that I can be part of DUST too. Dont know if this is possible. But I dont want to extra buy a "Sony 'hacked all day' PS3". And yeah! I hate microtransactions. And it is my personal opinion, that such a finance model is wrong in a game with monthly subscribtion fee. CCP has to choose ONE of these two financial models. Sub. fee OR microtransactions. Booth looks too greedy. Furthermore I like games with a monthly sub fee. I would NEVER play a game which is F2P but P2W. At this point the NeXstore is in fact just for visual issues for characters. But I am afraid that this will be changed in the long-term view. You pay for EVE and you play EVE, console players pay for their console and play DUST. I don't follow the proposition that you pay for EVE therefore you should be able to play DUST. There are so many console games that I would like to see on PC, but we can't have it all :( You may hate microtransactions, as do I. But there is a very simple solution, don't use it and ignore it. As long as it is optional, I am fine with both existing together... As for EVE, I don't think it will become P2W at any point in time, considering the limiting skill factor and the fact that it is a massive-morpg..
Callidus Dux School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 150	Posted - 2012.03.23 11:11:00 - [50] - Quote nirtal wrote: You pay for EVE and you play EVE, console players pay for their console and play DUST. I don't follow the proposition that you pay for EVE therefore you should be able to play DUST... I pay every month to play EVE. Concole players can download the game for free and pay nothing. [GERMAN LINK] As it is.. I pay CCP that they are able to make free to play games for console players and exclude their paying customers on PC, who have no console. Shure.. CCP hopes for income with microtransactions in DUST. And there will be some money from the game itself. But the lion's share, of CCP liquidity, comes from the paying EVE online customer who is not allowed to play the game without a console.
Di Mulle 45	Posted - 2012.03.23 11:32:00 - [51] - Quote Callidus Dux wrote: nirtal wrote: You pay for EVE and you play EVE, console players pay for their console and play DUST. I don't follow the proposition that you pay for EVE therefore you should be able to play DUST... I pay every month to play EVE. Concole players can download the game for free and pay nothing. [GERMAN LINK] As it is.. I pay CCP that they are able to make free to play games for console players and exclude their paying customers on PC, who have no console. Sure.. CCP hopes for income with microtransactions in DUST. And there will be some money from the game itself. But the lion's share, of CCP's liquidity, comes from the paying EVE online customer who is not allowed to play the game without a console. Naive beyond salvation... If CCP would think they can spare some money from your payments (and they should, it is called a profit), they would just pay that money for themselves, in a form of dividends. Not spend them as a charity for console kids. Dust himself is planned to be profitable - otherwise there is no point of making it. Wil it be profitable in reality, remains to be seen, as for any commercial project. CCP is unable to implement simpliest things. Like settting to hide signatures. So they sweep it under a rug . Children do that in their pre-shool years, CCP does it being adults. Probably because it is fearless enough.
Callidus Dux School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 150	Posted - 2012.03.23 11:37:00 - [52] - Quote Di Mulle wrote: Naive beyond salvation.... Why? It is a fact that a DUST player must not pay anything. A free to play game from a company who gets its MAIN income from EVE online accounts. What is naive at it, to dislike this finance model?
Di Mulle 45	Posted - 2012.03.23 12:37:00 - [53] - Quote Callidus Dux wrote: Di Mulle wrote: Naive beyond salvation.... Why? It is a fact that a DUST player must not pay anything. A free to play game from a company who gets its MAIN income from EVE online accounts. What is naive at it, to dislike this finance model? You are naive at thinking any company would ever imply a finance model where it gives everything for free. If it is not called "Mother Theresa", ofc. DUST will finance itself through MT, or at least it is planned to. CCP is unable to implement simpliest things. Like settting to hide signatures. So they sweep it under a rug . Children do that in their pre-shool years, CCP does it being adults. Probably because it is fearless enough.
Callidus Dux School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 150	Posted - 2012.03.23 12:43:00 - [54] - Quote Di Mulle wrote: You are naive at thinking any company would ever imply a finance model where it gives everything for free. If it is not called "Mother Theresa", ofc. DUST will finance itself through MT, or at least it is planned to. What? Where did I claim that EVE should be free to play or something? I do not want a "finance model where it gives everything for free". I never wrote about it! I want to tell that it is not right, that I, as EVE player, should pay for a free to play game on a concole. Thats all.
Nonmortem Vereinigte Metallwarenwerke 0	Posted - 2012.03.23 12:49:00 - [55] - Quote Does anyone remind the crying and overestimation about Aurum in EvE? And all those feaze ended only into dressing your avatar for your own happiness until today? At present you can't walk in common areas on the stations, and you can't interact with other players on it. The only way to show your expansive clothes is to make a snapshot from your avatar and send it to another player.... I think, to compensate the lost of PI-Products in the game for POS-Holders, and the possibility to make corp versus corp battles, it may be, that empire-systems and planets get useable for corps one day. CCP may also compensate the lost of fuel via pumping PI-Products or blocks into the market. Sure, this will break their credo not to get involved into the market. There may even also the point, that CCP wants to get it more expensive to hold a POS. Wasn't in eve one credo? Accomodate yourself to the new situation, or you loose? I hope, and be nearly convinced that sooner or later Dust will also be available and playable on PC. Maybe not at the beginning, but later... In my opinion CCP can't abstain from it, because the game lives from players who have a PC. And how many Dust-players must the EvE-players await? If there are not enough Dusties to impact the game, can one Dust-player command a bunch of soldiers via a command-system, anyhow? There are so many questions... My great hope is, that CCP does not aim for more casual players, and EvE motivates the hardcore-ones in the long term as in the past years. Because to get more casual players in the short-term, will maybe mean to loose those who are playing this game in the past. Casual plays tend to buy a game, play it for some weeks, and then buy the next one... The future will show, if Dust turns to Dust, and if it will be nothing more than a short flue for EvE ... And for sure: EvE, Dust514, as well as any other game programmed is intended to make profit, through whatever financial-plan. The exception from this are only private non-profit-projects, and neither EvE nor Dust is one of them... But that is ok, as long as I can extract enough fun for me out of EvE for the money I pay. Maybe Dust turns into something, which will enrich EvE, maybe not, but this till show only time ... P.S.: Please excuse my bad english in some lines I wrote
Callidus Dux School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 150	Posted - 2012.03.23 13:01:00 - [56] - Quote Nonmortem wrote: I hope, and be nearly convinced that sooner or later Dust will also be available and playable on PC. Maybe not at the beginning, but later... In my opinion CCP can't abstain from it, because the game lives from players who have a PC. I hope it too. It can die on console but live on PC. All other is, for me, wrong.
Henry Haphorn Aliastra Gallente Federation 241	Posted - 2012.03.23 13:22:00 - [57] - Quote Callidus Dux wrote: Siegfried VonTeufel wrote: CCP Navigator wrote: ... the yet unreleased free-to-download-and-play PlayStation 3 exclusive DUST 514 showed that.... Free to play, DUST514?! Am I reading this right?? That is correct. You pay in EVE that Dusties can play for free. Nearly free.. they pay once for the game. This is why I, as EVE player, hate DUST so much. Pay attention next time. They removed that now. After all, you brought up the quote. Just download and play on the spot without paying a penny. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you.
Di Mulle 45	Posted - 2012.03.23 13:23:00 - [58] - Quote Callidus Dux wrote: Di Mulle wrote: You are naive at thinking any company would ever imply a finance model where it gives everything for free. If it is not called "Mother Theresa", ofc. DUST will finance itself through MT, or at least it is planned to. It is a fact (!!) that you can play DUST for free. You can use the MT for an update in DUST. But you do not have to do so. You can simply play this game for free. I want to tell that it is not right, that I, as EVE player, should finance a free to play game on a console. Thats all. Sure.. CCP has its plans. But till now- I dont see how this plan wil improve the game I currently play AND pay. I currently see a game that I can not play and which was developed with the finance capital from my active eve online accounts; without ANY effect of MY personal play style in EVE. So please do not interprete something other than this into my message. "It is a fact (!!) that you can play EVE for free. You can use the subscription to pay for EVE. But you do not have to do so. You can simply play this game for free." Applying your feverish emotions, I probably must wish you electrocuted or something. Also, I can't help myself, but assume, that you somehow naively think "can play DUST for free"="DUSTas a whole is a charity project" (and charity is provided by EVE players). Those, who will MT in DUST, will pay for it as a whole, including paying for those who will not. At least that is the plan. To think otherwise is to be naive. Or to be desperately looking for just another reason to rage CCP is unable to implement simpliest things. Like settting to hide signatures. So they sweep it under a rug . Children do that in their pre-shool years, CCP does it being adults. Probably because it is fearless enough.
LtCol Laurentius Digital Fury Corporation Outbreak. 21	Posted - 2012.03.23 14:50:00 - [59] - Quote Well some news are slowly tricling in. According to PC Gamer, Dust will intially only affect planets in highsec, at least until next year. So no sovreignty fights on planets just yet.
Lyric Lahnder Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group 10	Posted - 2012.03.23 15:53:00 - [60] - Quote Try to generate buz among your console FPS buddies if your worried about there not being enough dusties. As long CCP doesnt make any major **** ups on dust, initial launch will be light and will slowly build the base of players as word gets out that Dust is indeed the online Evolved first person shooter. Why would you want to higher dusties some one asked? As it has shaped up ccp has said. You will get isk for controlling mines on planets and controlling there orbital elevators, as well as having planets play into sovereignty. All though it will not be essential to claim key planets in a system to maintain sovereignty it will be advantageous to do so. If the other player doesn't bother with your planets no problem, If they do you might want to consider getting them back, but there will be ways around it if you choose not too.
Hiram Alexander Seraphim Securities 196	Posted - 2012.03.24 00:14:00 - [61] - Quote Two things... Firstly, every Dust presentation so far has had ridiculous problems on the HD Stream, meaning that I'm only barely more informed now, than I was a fortnight ago... So, please get them all on YouTube, as soon as you're able to... I'd really appreciate that, and I'm confident others would too... Secondly... Although I wasn't there to try Dust out for myself, the footage I've seen now, makes me feel pretty confident that the concerns I made here (about Sim Sickness) have been addressed, so I've gone out and actually purchased a PS3... Now, I just need to hope my Beta App gets accepted... ;)
Dovakiin Nullified Industries Eternal Evocations 0	Posted - 2012.03.29 15:36:00 - [62] - Quote I just bought a PS3 to play dust...... Looked awesome at fanfest! Bang Bang skit skit....
Ferna Akai Delete Inc. 0	Posted - 2012.04.02 16:04:00 - [63] - Quote Hiram Alexander wrote: Two things... Firstly, every Dust presentation so far has had ridiculous problems on the HD Stream, meaning that I'm only barely more informed now, than I was a fortnight ago... So, please get them all on YouTube, as soon as you're able to... I'd really appreciate that, and I'm confident others would too... Secondly... Although I wasn't there to try Dust out for myself, the footage I've seen now, makes me feel pretty confident that the concerns I made here (about Sim Sickness) have been addressed, so I've gone out and actually purchased a PS3... Now, I just need to hope my Beta App gets accepted... ;) Same here, I read all these people bashing dust514.. The simple fact is, EVE is real and EVE is alive! That means we need combat on the planets.. let the PS3 gamers test this.. i'll enjoy bombing the living hell out of them.. and for the other part, let them try.. They wouldn't build dust514 if they didn't see a way to make money with it. Companies can't do stuff without looking for $$$ I wish you all a nice day, I am going to wait until it hits the network and play some dust514 and all you haters go on and hate i applaud CCP for their guts in what they are doing!

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