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Kabantik
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.18 17:52:00 -
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CCP developers this is a simple design change that would have an unbelievably profitable outcome and would earn the eternal appreciation on the EVE player base for many years.
Suggestion #1 Please make all ships in EVE symmetrical especially Gallante and Caldari ships (like the raven)
Suggestion #2 Please make all the titans fly in the correct direction, simply put all the engines on the other side of the ship and run them the other way around
Suggestion #3 Remove "thrusters" and replace them with some sort of sci fi physics manipulator modules because thrusters in space are inefficient and when you have 20 of them on say a ferrox it is very unappealing.
Thank you for your time
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Kabantik
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.18 17:54:00 -
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Old Thread (Locked I don't know why)
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FugginNutz
Caldari
Peekaboo I See You Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.18 18:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Kabantik
CCP developers this is a simple design change that would have an unbelievably profitable outcome and would earn the eternal appreciation on the EVE player base for many years.
Suggestion #1 Please make all ships in EVE symmetrical especially Gallante and Caldari ships (like the raven)
Suggestion #2 Please make all the titans fly in the correct direction, simply put all the engines on the other side of the ship and run them the other way around
Suggestion #3 Remove "thrusters" and replace them with some sort of sci fi physics manipulator modules because thrusters in space are inefficient and when you have 20 of them on say a ferrox it is very unappealing.
Thank you for your time
Meh....leave it alone. I think the Megathron and Raven are the best looking ships out there.
You want to tell a Titan to turn around and fly the other way? "Say hello to my little friend!" Doomsday...buh-bye
The thrusters are merely fluff to make the ship look like it is moving. Besides...I like the contrails. Some sort of invisible looking propulsion would look boring.
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Kabantik
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.18 23:41:00 -
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I'd rather not "leave it alone".......... |
Re'taka
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.08.18 23:53:00 -
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I tend to agree that this would be of very limited use of the Dev teams time, and wouldn't effect the overall game much, though it would be aesthetically appealing I don't see a real need for this change at this time, if they need to change anything, aesthetically, it needs to be pos's imo. |
Lothros Andastar
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.18 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kabantik
I'd rather not "leave it alone"..........
LOL
Get it through your thick skull, Noone gives a flying F*** About your crap ideas.
WoW is too hard for you, try Hello Kitty Online |
Kiki Arnolds
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.19 04:11:00 -
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I wish eve ships had more symmetry as well... Asymetric ships just aren't as asthetically pleasing, not to mention being silly from a RP perspective... you would want to have as close to a point symmetry as possible for reasons of thrust application...
Of course I think CCP has much better things to do with thier time then totally rework ship models for minor symmetry reasons... I would just hope that any future models created would have point symmetry (obviously weapon/sensor parts etc could be excluded from the symmetry... |
Kabantik
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.19 04:23:00 -
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Originally by: Re'taka
I tend to agree that this would be of very limited use of the Dev teams time, and wouldn't effect the overall game much, though it would be aesthetically appealing I don't see a real need for this change at this time, if they need to change anything, aesthetically, it needs to be pos's imo.
Keep in mind that there are divisions of developers from Mechanics/Interface/Game Play/Design
(there are more) so its not really a waste of overall developer time because they are specifically partitioned to separate tasks |
Yamato Gasaraki
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Posted - 2008.08.19 05:42:00 -
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I wondered numberous Times as well, but in the End it doesn't matter where Thrusters are.
It's just a Matter of Direction.
But, speaking of Thrusters: In Space, there is no Friction.
If you start your Jets, you accelerate till you reach the Speed of Light - or crash into the next Moon.
But the Thrusters are allways on when you are moving and off when you are not.
Looks stupid to me... |
Kabantik
Caldari
freelancers inc
Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.08.20 05:11:00 -
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I just don't know anymore... |
Kabantik
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.21 22:04:00 -
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Thirzarr
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Posted - 2008.08.22 10:53:00 -
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I think its a part of eve that most ships act up against the most basic law of aesthetics: symmetry.
I think I read an article about it even being a basic laws in nature.
But oh well, as long as you can hate stuff, the emotions are active.
But yes, I wish there was more then just Amarr ships sticking to a little symmetry. Tier3 BSs are a step in the right direction. Tier2 battlecruisers as well.
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Kabantik
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.22 17:48:00 -
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give it time
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Verys
The Black Ops
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.22 23:50:00 -
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NO dont you take away my asymmetrical manticore, it would look horrible if it was symmetrical. :(
I haven't heard anyone finding the asymetricality (is that even a word?) of ship being a problem so far so why change it now for a handful of people. Also have you noticed that some thrusters are larger than others to even out that effect. Plus it makes gallente and caldari ships stand out.
Removing thrusters would take the beauty away of the nice trailer effects you now got so another no. If you look at eve it is in many ways unrealistic but it isn't trying to be realistic.
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Kabantik
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:06:00 -
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Sorry I've been on vacation
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:11:00 -
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Yeah most of the ships are lopsided for no reason. Most of the titans look kinda funny (specially the minmatar). They ain't gonna change it though. They just spent what, a million man-hours redoing the graphics. I doubt they will change anything else now, and further waste that effort and time.
It's just graphics. All the ships look about the same when you blow them up.
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Wrangler Al
Caldari
Shadow's Hunters
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Torothanax
It's just graphics. All the ships look about the same when you blow them up.
Sadly True 
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los ojos
COGNET SpaceSystems Ltd
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:00:00 -
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Since aerodynamics are moot in space, we should all be flying Borg cubes anyway! 
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Kabantik
Caldari
RELIABLES Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.28 01:27:00 -
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Edited by: Kabantik on 28/08/2008 01:27:57
I keep saying that they have different development divisions omg
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Blastil
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Posted - 2008.08.28 01:43:00 -
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Edited by: Blastil on 28/08/2008 01:45:36
You can't Kill the classics man! nothing defines EVE better than a hoard of Thoraxes and Megathrons crushing all opposition, or a Caldari Carebear peacefully failing in his mining fit raven. Nothing defines EVE more than the shape of her spaceships.
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Kabantik
Caldari
RELIABLES Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:33:00 -
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Definition is relative......
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Cypher V
Minmatar
Blackened Skies
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Posted - 2008.08.30 01:45:00 -
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Minmatar ships are made from all that scrap metal you keep having to jettison...I like them being ugly, it's part of their "underdog" feel.
OP, I'm sorry, I just don't agree :( Besides, they spent enough time making new models already, I want them to make some reeeeeeeeeeeeeeally good planet/moon textures now ^_^ And get rid of the really bright backgrounds...it's space ffs.
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Kabantik
Caldari
RELIABLES Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.31 21:23:00 -
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I will keep fighting I don't care how long it takes :)
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Kabantik
Caldari
Straight Pride
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Posted - 2008.09.05 01:08:00 -
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bump
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Anubis Assassin
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.09.05 02:58:00 -
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I agree on the damn backdrops. I dunno wtf they were thinking putting every system in the middle of a damn nebula... Stars with maybe a few gas clouds out in the distance would be better IMO. Those of us on LCD screens can get blinded a lot of the times. You mix the nebula glowing, system star and some gas clouds in a mission (like the blue clouds in Worlds Collide) and it gets pretty damn bright. I think I'm gonna have to start wearing sunglasses while playing Eve...
About the ship models though, you touch the Rokh and I'll smack you. My main beefs are the Raven, Scorpion and Moa.. When I flew around in my Moa, I was ashamed to be seen in it  .
Also, for those of you saying that the shape doesn't matter because the lack of aerodynamics, what matters in space is mass. If all the engine power is in one side of the ship and the other side has a lot of mass with weaker to no thrust behind 'em, it'd break off. Though, like mentioned before, the way the thrusters are on the the ships counteracts this.
So, the only question that remains is, why? I can understand some of the ship to be asymmetrical, but the whole thing being completely lopsided? Wtf? The Megathron and the Rokh have the thing near the bridge coming off the side slightly breaking the symmetrical feel, but it works. The Scorpion and the Raven though, what happened there?
Another "symmetrical" think I would like to see is turret placement.. Use the Rokh for example. 4x launchers and 4x turrets. What's it look like on the ship? 4 turrets on the top right and 4 on the bottom left.. It looks stupid. In all actuality, it creates a large portion of dead space around the ship where if something were to get, the turrets couldn't aim at it. What would work and look better is 2 turrets on the top on both sides and 2 turrets on the bottom on both sides. All that and I still want launcher animations...
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Alaznea
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Posted - 2008.09.08 03:46:00 -
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I found you! |
Kabantik
Caldari
Straight Pride
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Posted - 2008.09.08 03:49:00 -
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Edited by: Kabantik on 08/09/2008 03:52:56
Edited by: Kabantik on 08/09/2008 03:52:02
What the rokh should look like
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6e/LMS.jpg/180px-LMS.jpg
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Kabantik
Caldari
Straight Pride
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Posted - 2008.09.08 03:51:00 -
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Edited by: Kabantik on 08/09/2008 03:52:19
http://www.mocpages.com/image_zoom.php?mocid=27618&id=/user_images/6234/1184851111rr_fullship.jpg
yah.... I talked it over with LEGO they said it was okay if we used that model <3
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2008.09.08 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: Anubis Assassin
I agree on the damn backdrops. I dunno wtf they were thinking putting every system in the middle of a damn nebula... Stars with maybe a few gas clouds out in the distance would be better IMO. Those of us on LCD screens can get blinded a lot of the times. You mix the nebula glowing, system star and some gas clouds in a mission (like the blue clouds in Worlds Collide) and it gets pretty damn bright. I think I'm gonna have to start wearing sunglasses while playing Eve...
Heh, game was designed befor lcd's were big. CRT anyone? They are most likely working on this already however.
Originally by: Anubis Assassin
About the ship models though, you touch the Rokh and I'll smack you. My main beefs are the Raven, Scorpion and Moa.. When I flew around in my Moa, I was ashamed to be seen in it .
Ya think the moa is ugly? Try the old scythe. Ugliest ship in the game. Leave the poor raven alone. Most people like it.
Originally by: Anubis Assassin
Also, for those of you saying that the shape doesn't matter because the lack of aerodynamics, what matters in space is mass. If all the engine power is in one side of the ship and the other side has a lot of mass with weaker to no thrust behind 'em, it'd break off. Though, like mentioned before, the way the thrusters are on the the ships counteracts this.
This used to bug me too. Then I got over it. Inertia sabilizers are the wave of the future. Obviously they've figure out gravity/anti-gravity.
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Sir Substance
Minmatar
MagiTech Alliance Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.08 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass
Originally by: Anubis Assassin
This used to bug me too. Then I got over it. Inertia sabilizers are the wave of the future. Obviously they've figure out gravity/anti-gravity.
more likely they have figured out how to **** with momentum.
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