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Falco Peregrenus	Posted - 2008.08.18 19:15:00 - [1] I've been thinking about switching to Caldari ships(I'm a Sebbie) but I know this will take a lot of time to do. I really like missiles(just a personal preference) but I don't know if they are particularly better than guns. Iam still noobish so I realize I don't know enough to know what questions to really ask. Any suggestions?
Buhhdust Princess You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2008.08.18 19:19:00 - [2] I started off as caldari, and now i'm gallente, keep training ur guns and torps and get yourself a well rounded active tanked Typhoon, then go **** ppl! (stick with matar)
Lenori Kallis	Posted - 2008.08.18 19:21:00 - [3] Wimsy is now the name of the game. Fly whatever strikes your fancy however you like; it doesn't matter anymore. Undoubtedly: IT will eventually be nerfed.
Mu Yaling Repo Industries	Posted - 2008.08.18 19:21:00 - [4] i have 2 "mains" one a 23m 10m sp in missiles specialised Caldari pilot. one a 10m Minmatar pilot. the minmatar is so much more fun its stupid.. in my opinion stick to minmatar and ignore all the doomsdayers.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.18 19:24:00 - [5] Edited by: AstroPhobic on 18/08/2008 19:24:34 Edited by: AstroPhobic on 18/08/2008 19:24:25 Caldari. edit: Minmatar has always sucked, they've just been saved by overused gimmicks or speed.
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.18 19:48:00 - [6] Edited by: NightmareX on 18/08/2008 19:48:15 Originally by: AstroPhobic Edited by: AstroPhobic on 18/08/2008 19:24:34 Edited by: AstroPhobic on 18/08/2008 19:24:25 Caldari. edit: Minmatar has always sucked, they've just been saved by overused gimmicks or speed. Minmatar ships sucks terribly with terribly Minmatar players. But on the other hand, if you take a player like me, then Minmatar owns.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.18 19:49:00 - [7] ITT: Ego trip.
Lili Lu Victory Not Vengeance	Posted - 2008.08.18 19:52:00 - [8] Edited by: Lili Lu on 18/08/2008 19:54:49 speed will be nerfed and one way or another, however it's done, it will affect minmatar quite strongly. the ship stats will frustrate you as well. resists and hps all messed up. It's a shame really. I love the rapier and huginn as they presently are, but those may get nerfed to oblivion with the proposed web nerf. I love the phoon, but it may become heavier than hyperions and ravens No downside to Caldari really. It would take successive nerfs to missiles, passive shield tanking (not on devs hit list although it should be), falcon nerf (again devs seem oblivious) to start affecting the sp you'd invested. You would still have left the Moa/Ferrox/Rokh's longest optimal plus resist bonuses, the Scorpion as the only ew BS, and the only electronic attack frig worth anything. Caldari is much better placed atm (as it has been for a long time).
Stab Wounds Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.18 20:27:00 - [9] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 18/08/2008 19:48:15 Originally by: AstroPhobic Edited by: AstroPhobic on 18/08/2008 19:24:34 Edited by: AstroPhobic on 18/08/2008 19:24:25 Caldari. edit: Minmatar has always sucked, they've just been saved by overused gimmicks or speed. Minmatar ships sucks terribly with terribly Minmatar players. But on the other hand, if you take a player like me, then Minmatar owns. pwned
Falco Peregrenus	Posted - 2008.08.18 20:41:00 - [10] thanks!
Amandin Adouin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.18 22:02:00 - [11] Falco you have to understand one thing though... Matar ships are only good when being piloted by Stab Wounds and Nightmare.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.18 22:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Amandin Adouin Falco you have to understand one thing though... Matar ships are only good when being piloted by Stab Wounds and Nightmare. Well, no. I find that I'm able to wtfpwn most people that I run across. I normally feel bad when I look up their age and realize that I have more SP in gunnery alone than they have in total though. :-/ -Liang
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.18 22:29:00 - [13] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Amandin Adouin Falco you have to understand one thing though... Matar ships are only good when being piloted by Stab Wounds and Nightmare. Well, no. I find that I'm able to wtfpwn most people that I run across. I normally feel bad when I look up their age and realize that I have more SP in gunnery alone than they have in total though. :-/ -Liang Pff , and you have at least twice as many buddies with you than them ,right?
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.18 22:30:00 - [14] Originally by: Naomi Knight Pff , and you have at least twice as many buddies with you than them ,right? Heh, sometimes. :P -Liang
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.18 23:53:00 - [15] Originally by: Buhhdust Princess I started off as caldari, and now i'm gallente traitor.
Felix Dzerzhinsky Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.19 01:04:00 - [16] Stick with Mataar unless you like being support/meatshield.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.19 01:08:00 - [17] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 19/08/2008 01:14:47 Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky Stick with Mataar unless you like being support/meatshield. and don't like flying battleships. Also, with the upcoming speed nerf, most* Minmatar ships are going to suck pretty bad. So, really: Stick to Minnie if you like the Rifter, Wolf, Jag, Broadsword, Rupture, or Hurricane. -Liang Ed: Whoops, for got the Ruppie!
Boz Well Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.19 01:14:00 - [18] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky Stick with Mataar unless you like being support/meatshield. and don't like flying battleships. Also, with the upcoming speed nerf, most* Minmatar ships are going to suck pretty bad. So, really: Stick to Minnie if you like the Rifter, Wolf, Jag, Broadsword, or Hurricane. -Liang Don't forget the lil rup
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.19 01:15:00 - [19] Originally by: Boz Well Don't forget the lil rup Thanks, edited. :) -Liang
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.19 04:36:00 - [20] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 19/08/2008 01:14:47 Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky Stick with Mataar unless you like being support/meatshield. and don't like flying battleships. Also, with the upcoming speed nerf, most* Minmatar ships are going to suck pretty bad. So, really: Stick to Minnie if you like the Rifter, Wolf, Jag, Broadsword, Rupture, or Hurricane. -Liang Ed: Whoops, for got the Ruppie! Uhm, you forgot to tell that the Tempest will also be really nice with the speed and web nerf.
Rhaegor Stormborn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.08.19 04:53:00 - [21] Caldari. 100%.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.19 05:07:00 - [22] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 19/08/2008 05:08:04 Originally by: NightmareX Uhm, you forgot to tell that the Tempest will also be really nice with the speed and web nerf. But it's not. It's only better than the blaster mega (which doesn't have the tracking to actually hit battleships in web range). -Liang Ed: I will admit that the TD I fit could have something to do with exacerbating that problem.
Yakov Draken Minmatar Tides Of War	Posted - 2008.08.19 08:37:00 - [23] Go Minnie - damn the torpedoes and full steam ahead. Minmatar are more fun than Caldari unless you like to keep it simple. Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Boz Well Don't forget the lil rup Thanks, edited. :) And the Typhoon. Dual remote rep plated Typhoon is tasty and should survive the changes fine. More than a few sp's required ofc and you might argue it is not worth it but it does mean there is a Minnie BS for RR gangs that holds its' own.
Yakov Draken Minmatar Tides Of War	Posted - 2008.08.19 08:48:00 - [24] Originally by: AstroPhobic edit: Minmatar has always sucked, they've just been saved by overused gimmicks or speed. Minmatar have been one of the best pvp races for as long as I've been playing - I joined at the end of 2006. I have only flown Minmatar and found them to have many useful ships in many roles. The only other race I would think about having flown instead is Gallente which I have been tempted to crosstrain many times. The upcoming nerf may reduce us to a somewhat pitiful state without major changes but lets not deny the past which has been fantastic for Minmatar pvpers. That is why we get so little sympathy from Caldari now - they have envied our pvp capability for along time.
Leinad tir	Posted - 2008.08.19 11:33:00 - [25] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 18/08/2008 19:48:15 Originally by: AstroPhobic Edited by: AstroPhobic on 18/08/2008 19:24:34 Edited by: AstroPhobic on 18/08/2008 19:24:25 Caldari. edit: Minmatar has always sucked, they've just been saved by overused gimmicks or speed. Minmatar ships sucks terribly with terribly Minmatar players. But on the other hand, if you take a player like me, then Minmatar owns. This kind of ppl make me laught a lot
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.19 11:57:00 - [26] Edited by: NightmareX on 19/08/2008 12:01:39 Originally by: Leinad tir Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 18/08/2008 19:48:15 Originally by: AstroPhobic Edited by: AstroPhobic on 18/08/2008 19:24:34 Edited by: AstroPhobic on 18/08/2008 19:24:25 Caldari. edit: Minmatar has always sucked, they've just been saved by overused gimmicks or speed. Minmatar ships sucks terribly with terribly Minmatar players. But on the other hand, if you take a player like me, then Minmatar owns. This kind of ppl make me laught a lot What do you mean by that?, do you mean that i'm wrong?. I don't think a newbie without a portrait and even without the corp showing on the forums doesn't know more than i do. 4 and a half year in EVE so far, so well i think i know what i'm talking about Now all of you who thinks Minmatar sucks, give me a proof that they sucks, or STFU. You have to prove it to me via frapses with lots of fights that Minmatar sucks. And don't come with the booohooo, Minmatar have poor DPS and that, because the DPS is not all in PVP today.
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.08.19 12:25:00 - [27] Edited by: The Djego on 19/08/2008 12:30:02 Originally by: AstroPhobic edit: Minmatar has always sucked, they've just been saved by overused gimmicks or speed. Shouldn¦t u finished Amarr training till now and stoped complaining about Minmatar Ships? Btw, some people actualy fly Minmatar Ships without Nano and are able to avoid failing in them(EFT is overrated btw). To the OP, if you like flexibility, solo/small Gang PVP and speed stick with Minmatar. If you like EW, huge Range, Missles and Shieldtanking go Caldari. Missles have in general less Damage(ok Torps acutaly do more Damage than Turrets), but a better Range, also no Tracking issues like Turrets. Turrets are not bad in general, it simply takes more Skillpoints to make them usefull. Turrets are often prefered in PVP because of the higher Damage, Missles in PVE because of her ability to hit anything quite easy. Both work in PVP and PVE and have advantages and disadvantages.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.19 14:48:00 - [28] It's funny guys, explain to me what minmatar ships are all about since I just don't seem to get it. Less dps, less tank, decent tracking. Awful damage in falloff, bad sensor strength, bad lock range. Awful weapons with poor ammo. Nobody's stopping you from flying minmatar. Autocannons were never uberweapons. Artillery had their place until the HP nerf. Minmatar was placed ontop of a high seat with gimmicks and speed. They were never ubertanks, they were never uberdps. Now that your gimmicks and speed are taken away, what are you left with? Sub-par all around ships that aren't worth a damn unless you can fit an oversized plate or use other race's weapons.
SlaineMor Minmatar Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2008.08.19 14:55:00 - [29] Ive got a 48m sp Matari toon and in spite of all of their weaknesses they had teir tricks and tactics.. I have some gallente skills for faction ships... heavily cross-training amarr atm for post patch though... Dont use caldari as my 2nd account is a caldari/gallante toon.
Yakov Draken Minmatar Tides Of War	Posted - 2008.08.19 21:27:00 - [30] Originally by: AstroPhobic Sub-par all around ships that aren't worth a damn unless you can fit an oversized plate or use other race's weapons. Is this a troll? Rifter - one of the best Frigates in the game Rupture - one of the best Cruisers in the game Hurricane - on of the best BC's in the game Vagabond - one of the best HAC's in the game Rapier - one the best recons in the game (this may be going to change) Sliepnir - one of the best Command Ships in the game Typhoon - one of the better BS's in the game but very sp intensive Looks like Minmatar has it pretty well covered right now. That is why other races have envied us for so long. I have flown Minmatar for my entire pvp career (with the exception of the odd Velator) and I have dominated kill stats and top damage dealar in the groups I've been involved with. I'll say this - don't fly Minmatar if like Astro you have a fixed idea of how they should be flown (ie no 1600mm plates) and are not willing to learn from vets about how to use them.

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