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sAyArrrr Shadows INC	Posted - 2008.08.19 15:57:00 - [1] Hey guys! Ive been wondering, i am like many others a big big fan of the rupture. Since a short time ive been enjoying the vaga alot..but i never looked into the muninn since its shipbonusses tend to make it better for sniping. And since i dont like sniping...i never used it. Does anyone have any experience using the muninn the same way as a rupture? Big plate...lots of guns...offline smartbombs etc? How does it perform? Or am i better of just using the rupture? Would like to hear your thoughts on this matter! Thanks
Nocturnal Avenger Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.19 16:03:00 - [2] Short range arti, full gank is extremely fun.
P'uck	Posted - 2008.08.19 16:04:00 - [3] I'd stick to the rupture or use a cane if you want some upgrade. Imho the muninn seems fragile for closerange work, when looking at the pricetag Maybe it pwns when webs will be 60% max
FT Diomedes Gallente Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2008.08.19 16:04:00 - [4] I have only used it as a sniper. It's fairly nice for that, but not superb. It's most useful for instapopping frigates and interceptors with RF EMP on a gate camp.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.19 16:07:00 - [5] AC muninn is herecy. Don't fly it. There's hurricanes for that. Arty muninn sucks. Don't fly it unless you can't fly a zealot/eagle. Fix projectileskthx.
Raniss	Posted - 2008.08.19 17:08:00 - [6] Edited by: Raniss on 19/08/2008 17:08:44 Ok thanks guys...exactly what i thought. So what would be the cookie cutter sniper setup for the muninn then? ed. its sayarrrr...bloody alts
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.19 17:22:00 - [7] [Muninn, Sniper] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Tracking Computer II 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket Targeting System Subcontroller I Targeting System Subcontroller I Warrior II x5 RF EMP for close up.
FT Diomedes Gallente Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2008.08.19 17:25:00 - [8] Originally by: AstroPhobic [Muninn, Sniper] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Tracking Computer II 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket Targeting System Subcontroller I Targeting System Subcontroller I Warrior II x5 RF EMP for close up. That's what I use, except I stuck drone link augmentors on it instead of rocket launchers. Makes it easier to recall my Warrior IIs if they start chasing after something fast that then warps off.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.19 17:25:00 - [9] 720 arty mwd, 2x sensor booster 3 gyro 2 tracking enhancer if you want to try the close range loller version use 720's backed up by 3x gyro's and a large shield extender and quake its pretty hilarious if you team up with a scimitar which tackles your target and shield x-fers and tracking links you, but its expensive fun coz it'll go wrong and you'll die half the time doing this.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.19 17:27:00 - [10] Only one fits due to CPU constraints, so you'll either have to fiddle with named gear (herecy on a sniper) or use offline smartbombs for overload/rockets/standard missiles for defense.
sdthujfg	Posted - 2008.08.19 19:33:00 - [11] Arty gank muninn rocks. Don't listen to these whiners. They need to l2p.
P'uck	Posted - 2008.08.19 20:25:00 - [12] op isnt looking for artygank. "big plate" implies autocannons. l2read.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.19 20:27:00 - [13] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 19/08/2008 20:27:39 Originally by: P'uck op isnt looking for artygank. "big plate" implies autocannons. l2read. While this is true, I think it was sufficiently covered in the beginning: Don't use an AC Muninn. -Liang Ed: I have used one, and it worked ok. It worked much, much, much better with arties.
Ruciza Minmatar The Feminists	Posted - 2008.08.19 21:50:00 - [14] Edited by: Ruciza on 19/08/2008 21:51:31 Originally by: AstroPhobic Tremor M Here is where you fail. And I'm delighted to see so many others not failing.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.19 22:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Ruciza Here is where you fail. And I'm delighted to see so many others not failing. Sigh, for once you're actually right. RF EMP is the only ammo that should ever be loaded into a Muninn. Going for range is doing it wrong. -Liang
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.19 22:02:00 - [16] Originally by: Ruciza Edited by: Ruciza on 19/08/2008 21:51:31 Originally by: AstroPhobic Tremor M Here is where you fail. And I'm delighted to see so many others not failing. If you could fly zealots and eagles, I'd agree. Otherwise, no. It's decent fleet support. Certainly not as good as a zealot or eagle, but it's not bad. It's only strength is alpha sure, but it's not "fail" with tremor.
Felix Dzerzhinsky Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.19 22:34:00 - [17] Originally by: FT Diomedes Originally by: AstroPhobic [Muninn, Sniper] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Tracking Computer II 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket Targeting System Subcontroller I Targeting System Subcontroller I Warrior II x5 RF EMP for close up. That's what I use, except I stuck drone link augmentors on it instead of rocket launchers. Makes it easier to recall my Warrior IIs if they start chasing after something fast that then warps off. and drop the DCUII for a Tracking Enhancer II, and drop the tracking computer for another Sensor Booster II - its all about that lockspeed (I use different rigs I admit) Range and tracking are not really an issue since the ship gets the bonus to them. In a pure gate camper - you can drop the MWD for another sensor booster or tracking computer. . .
Lazuran Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.08.20 00:28:00 - [18] OP: not worth it to use a Muninn like a Rupture, stick to the Rupture or get a Hurricane :-/ Arty-fans: Try RF Nuclear M instead of Tremor, as the latter doesn't hit anything below BC or so. Arty needs fixing, the tracking is far too bad for its range and you can't put enough TC/TE on Minmatar ships easily to compensate.
Nocturnal Avenger Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.20 09:59:00 - [19] Originally by: Lazuran OP: not worth it to use a Muninn like a Rupture, stick to the Rupture or get a Hurricane :-/ Arty-fans: Try RF Nuclear M instead of Tremor, as the latter doesn't hit anything below BC or so. Arty needs fixing, the tracking is far too bad for its range and you can't put enough TC/TE on Minmatar ships easily to compensate. My muninn often hits frigates on a 20km range with 720's and a tracking computer (webs almost never involved). Go figure.
Saietor Blackgreen The First Foundation SOLAR FLEET	Posted - 2008.08.20 10:07:00 - [20] RF EMP is not the best choice for Munin if you are going close. RF Fusion gives better results, due to marginally less DMG and much betetr optimal and clip size. But even then, going close wityh Muninn is meh, Hurricane does better job here, and even better GTFO factor of Muninn doesnt help - price is too high. Muninn is nice with Domination NUclear or Domination Carb Lead. As it was said - if you cant fly Zealot or Eagle, Muninn is a very decent anti-tackler support.

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