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Verotia	Posted - 2008.08.19 23:10:00 - [1] When someone ask for ransom, and you pay, and they blow you up, or pod you anyway. What is the best way to handle this? Other than setting standing to -10 and waiting for the day you hurt them back that is. ( should that day arrive? )
Haitchi Allamut The Movement	Posted - 2008.08.19 23:16:00 - [2] There's always the name-n-shame thing (whining like a little ***** on the forums)
Verotia	Posted - 2008.08.19 23:24:00 - [3] HAs to be a better way. heh. I have no problem pointing out Infusion as the offenders.. ( 4 members involved makes it a corp thing ) But whining, ( I mean really whining, not just mentioning it ) Seems a little pointless, and will usualy make the bad guys look like heroes heh.
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.08.19 23:25:00 - [4] ^^^ well, you can do what this guy says, name and shame on the forums, make sure you provide at the very least, believalble chat logs, and the killmail to show that after you payed is when you actually got popped tehn you can tell everyone on the forums, and that person/ that persons corp is going to lose a ton of ransoms since they read on here what would happen the only other thing i can think of is to never pay ransoms, then wen you get popped for not paying one to an honorable pirate, you can name and shame or a combonation of both
Haitchi Allamut The Movement	Posted - 2008.08.19 23:26:00 - [5] Not honouring ransoms is rarely seen as a good thing. Even most pirates frown upon it as it's considered counter-productive to the criminal community.
Alberico DeSandre	Posted - 2008.08.19 23:29:00 - [6] Generaly, if you belong to an NPC corp don't pay a ransom. Most "pirates" will just take it and shoot you because if they think you're a noob, then they know you don't have any real ways to get back at them and it's just easy money. learned my lesson about that at least :)
Kresh Vladir The Movement	Posted - 2008.08.20 01:51:00 - [7] As a pirate i will share my pov. If i ransom someone i let them go 100% of the time. If anyone in my gang would kill them anyway after they pay, i would kill them and never fly with them again. Its easy, Honour your agreement, both with ransom and 1vs1.
Bfoster White Wolves Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.20 13:41:00 - [8] Like said, the name and shame.. So maybe you can help stop somebody else from paying them..
Goyda Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.08.20 14:19:00 - [9] Originally by: Kresh Vladir As a pirate i will share my pov. If i ransom someone i let them go 100% of the time. If anyone in my gang would kill them anyway after they pay, i would kill them and never fly with them again. Its easy, Honour your agreement, both with ransom and 1vs1. I second this, I even go one step farther, if they are doing a mission when I find them and they pay, I will not bother them if they come back to complete their mission. Typically a 'day long' pass. Most of the time however I never ransom I just pop'em and try to ransom the pod. People are disinclined I believe to SD a pod.
Cyb3r Thr3at The Scope	Posted - 2008.08.20 15:22:00 - [10] Edited by: Cyb3r Thr3at on 20/08/2008 15:23:32 NEVER PAY RANSOM!!! FIGHT!!!
Ga'len Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.08.20 15:42:00 - [11] Edited by: Ga''len on 20/08/2008 15:44:07 Originally by: Verotia When someone ask for ransom, and you pay, and they blow you up, or pod you anyway. What is the best way to handle this? Other than setting standing to -10 and waiting for the day you hurt them back that is. ( should that day arrive? ) I would suggest you contact that corp's ceo to discuss the issue. If that does not work, then by all means, name and shame them on the forums here. To do so, you need to observe the following: Post with the character that was the subject of the dishonored ransom. Provide a detailed description of the incident. Make sure that your corp and/or alliance are visible on your character, otherwise people will think you are an alt on a smear campaign and will not believe anything you say. Provide evidence of the exchange in form of screenshots of the chat. DO NOT POST THE ACTUAL CHAT LOG TEXT, POST A SCREENSHOT. Chat log text posting is NOT allowed by the forums rules. This can be tough if you did not think to do this while you were being ransomed. Post a screenshot of your wallet showing the transfer of isk to the pirate in question If you do all this, then people will listen to what you have to say and perhaps something positive can come from the incident.
Xsag Caldari Black Fury	Posted - 2008.08.20 16:09:00 - [12] Originally by: Ga'len Edited by: Ga''len on 20/08/2008 15:44:07 Originally by: Verotia When someone ask for ransom, and you pay, and they blow you up, or pod you anyway. What is the best way to handle this? Other than setting standing to -10 and waiting for the day you hurt them back that is. ( should that day arrive? ) I would suggest you contact that corp's ceo to discuss the issue. If that does not work, then by all means, name and shame them on the forums here. To do so, you need to observe the following: Post with the character that was the subject of the dishonored ransom. Provide a detailed description of the incident. Make sure that your corp and/or alliance are visible on your character, otherwise people will think you are an alt on a smear campaign and will not believe anything you say. Provide evidence of the exchange in form of screenshots of the chat. DO NOT POST THE ACTUAL CHAT LOG TEXT, POST A SCREENSHOT. Chat log text posting is NOT allowed by the forums rules. This can be tough if you did not think to do this while you were being ransomed. Post a screenshot of your wallet showing the transfer of isk to the pirate in question If you do all this, then people will listen to what you have to say and perhaps something positive can come from the incident. LAME LAME LAME LAME
Nexus Kinnon A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2008.08.20 16:13:00 - [13] Originally by: Xsag LAME LAME LAME LAME I see those classes in constructive and useful posting really paid off for you.
Xsag Caldari Black Fury	Posted - 2008.08.20 16:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon Originally by: Xsag LAME LAME LAME LAME I see those classes in constructive and useful posting really paid off for you. Yes because we all go to classes for posting on forums dont we....anyway lets not turn this into a flaming war the rough translation is - i dont agree i think his suggestion is unrealistic and is unlikely to stop ppl posting whine threads anyway.
Ga'len Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.08.20 16:26:00 - [15] Originally by: Xsag Originally by: Nexus Kinnon Originally by: Xsag LAME LAME LAME LAME I see those classes in constructive and useful posting really paid off for you. Yes because we all go to classes for posting on forums dont we....anyway lets not turn this into a flaming war the rough translation is - i dont agree i think his suggestion is unrealistic and is unlikely to stop ppl posting whine threads anyway. Didn't we just have this conversation in another thread? Yeah, I don't see it really stopping anytime soon, but it's worth a shot. The OP asked a good question, whatever their intentions are. Either they will follow the advice, post a bogus complaint or not continue in this htead. Either of these three scenarios make the effort worthwhile.
Xsag Caldari Black Fury	Posted - 2008.08.20 16:29:00 - [16] i know we are replying to each other about the same thing int two threads...oh well =)
Nexus Kinnon A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2008.08.20 16:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Xsag Originally by: Nexus Kinnon Originally by: Xsag LAME LAME LAME LAME I see those classes in constructive and useful posting really paid off for you. Yes because we all go to classes for posting on forums dont we....anyway lets not turn this into a flaming war the rough translation is - i dont agree i think his suggestion is unrealistic and is unlikely to stop ppl posting whine threads anyway. This might help.
Grarr Dexx Amarr Avenging United	Posted - 2008.08.20 16:47:00 - [18] Naming and shaming is the easiest way to cut a lot of isk from under their noses.
Ga'len Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.08.20 17:14:00 - [19] Originally by: Grarr Dexx Naming and shaming is the easiest way to cut a lot of isk from under their noses. Agreed, but don't you think this should be done a responsible manner? Vague claims about a dishonored ransom do nothing but make the pirating life that much harder, especially when it comes to collecting ransoms. It should be a simply process. Victim gets caught, ransomed, pays the ransom and is let go. It should be a quick process and when it takes longer than it should, people simply get killed when they didn't need to. We make less isk when that happens. I know, not everyone will roll over and pay up, some will stall to bring in help, some will smack talk, some will even fight back, but there is at least some integrity to it. There is honor among theives low and behold and we need to stick together as the 'ebil piwat' bunch that we are.
Reptar Dragon THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.08.20 17:34:00 - [20] If TFS kills you accidentally after you pay ransom we transfer the ransom money back.
Artthana Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.08.20 17:58:00 - [21] Options 1- sit a stew over it 2- hire some big guns to deal with them 3- whine on the forums 4- talk to the CEO of the corp then name and shame 5- Roll with it because its A GAME. I would go with 5, I prob wouldn't pay the ransom anyway. When doing 4 be factual, be concise, be accurate, post with the victim, link to a KB (is this allowed on the forum) of your death Just MHO.
Goyda Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.08.20 18:43:00 - [22] Edited by: Goyda on 20/08/2008 18:44:33 Originally by: Artthana Options 1- sit a stew over it 2- hire some big guns to deal with them 3- whine on the forums 4- talk to the CEO of the corp then name and shame 5- Roll with it because its A GAME. I would go with 5, I prob wouldn't pay the ransom anyway. When doing 4 be factual, be concise, be accurate, post with the victim, link to a KB (is this allowed on the forum) of your death Just MHO. You forgot 6. 6) get a new ship, realize it's EvE and go back to it. I mean seriously, when your WS and sitting there, can you trust someone who blew up your ship. When people offer ransom I consider it, if they pay I let them go as I've stated. But I really don't ask for one because...well I don't care. I'll take the dropped mods and sell/refine them for isk. Maybe we need a "Carebear Whine" section, where they can post this stuff to other chars who will actually care and have sympathy.
Siouxsie Xai Gallente The Joining	Posted - 2008.08.21 02:23:00 - [23] Well I did not make a screenshot of the conmversation. And only have the combat log and the wallet transaction to go by. He appears to refuse to pay it back in exhcnange of me not posting the info on this chat. ( I was very polite and even admitted to how the battle was fun till I got screwed ) So what I decided to do was place a 20 million isk bounty on his head, And Am offering 10 million isk for his corpse instead. Seems a fun way to deal with it eh ;) Make a private item exchange contract of his corpse for 10 million isk in Emolgranlan ( any station is fine, will ignore a lowsec contract for obvious reasons ) The Target is StonedSamoan. I wil pay 1 million for any corpse of the Corp Infusion. As 4 members where involved I have no problem with this. StonedSamoans corpse will go down to 1 million isk after the first payment of 10 million. This may not be enough to hunt them down, but if you end up having to pop them anyway, the corpses have value. PS sorry for the op alt use, Inet mmo's are unpredictable and the issue was not worth some major badmojo. I see That I was not out of line to ask in the first place and so have no problem using my main for the remainder of this thread. That is unless ity gets bad mojo then I will do what everyone else will.. ignore it heh.
kindrel Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.08.21 03:11:00 - [24] quick question, if you tell somone x amount of isk and you will allow them to mine in said system. then they try to haggle you to lower the price and you accept but you decide to kill them becuse they dident pay the origanal offer. is that rong he tried to haggle you after all
Mr Jollys Minmatar Night Theifs Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2008.08.21 04:08:00 - [25] Originally by: kindrel quick question, if you tell somone x amount of isk and you will allow them to mine in said system. then they try to haggle you to lower the price and you accept but you decide to kill them becuse they dident pay the origanal offer. is that rong he tried to haggle you after all What if I caught you on the street on the way to work, and I had my Sig P229 in my hand, and I told you I would let you continue on your way to work if you paid me $100, but you haggled me down to $50, and I accepted. But then as you walked away, I realized you ripped me off, so I popped you? Would that be wrong?
Kavu Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.08.21 06:35:00 - [26] Edited by: Kavu on 21/08/2008 06:37:39 everyone i have ever flown with (including myself) will let you go granted you meet the following conditions Do as the ransomer says, I.E. the motd of my ransom channel is stop flying stop shooting, Pay me what i ask and you will live. Dont flame me and dont try to stall, there is a time limit before i pop you for indecision. Pay the amount i ask and leave the system immediatley (though if you came to grab something from a station grab it, but be quick) simple rules really, or you can do what about 75% of ransomee's do and say **** U but yeah to your original point, spread the word IMO I dont want dishonored ransoms to lose me money.
Artemis Rose Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.21 06:45:00 - [27] Name and shame them. We like the drama it causes (sometimes)
AntonioBanderas The Bastards	Posted - 2008.08.21 08:46:00 - [28] unlike some of the (******ed) ppl in eve, Bastards always honor their ransoms
Zantei	Posted - 2008.08.21 10:51:00 - [29] I can't believe people still pay ransoms. You always get blown up afterwards, why bother? ;p This name and shame thing is a joke, do you think the offenders care? Do you think that when someone is being held up that they search the forums for the name of the pirate?
ShadowMaiden Amarr Metal Machine	Posted - 2008.08.21 12:00:00 - [30] Originally by: Verotia When someone ask for ransom, and you pay, and they blow you up, or pod you anyway. What is the best way to handle this? Other than setting standing to -10 and waiting for the day you hurt them back that is. ( should that day arrive? ) 1 - Cry on forums 2 - Realise that no-one cares 3 - ???? 4 - Profit ( or not as the case may be )

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