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Mr R4nd0m
Retribution.
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:30:00 -
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Seriously grow some balls, get out and do some proper pvp in either low sec and null sec, instead of whining that your lame ass cant kill noobs anymore in high sec.
You have to also understand CCP needs to retain new players, you guys running around ganking noobs just makes them leave, hence no player retention..
You have the whole of low sec and null sec to pvping in.. obviously you not good enough to go there..
I agree they have to be 'made' to move on and progress after a while but thats a different story... But jeez learn to pvp proper...
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Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:31:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:Seriously grow some balls, get out and do some proper pvp in either low sec and null sec, instead of whining that your lame ass cant kill noobs anymore in high sec.
You have to also understand CCP needs to retain new players, you guys running around ganking noobs just makes them leave, hence no player retention..
You have the whole of low sec and null sec to pvping in.. obviously you not good enough to go there..
I agree they have to be 'made' to move on and progress after a while but thats a different story... But jeez learn to pvp proper...
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Aethlyn
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:32:00 -
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Sorry, but did I miss something causing all the outcries? Only saw part of the crime stuff (reiterating security standing hits and stuff) yesterday, but didn't sound that bad?
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Korg Leaf
Operation Cloverfield
The Shadowbolts Collective
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:32:00 -
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This kind of defeats the whole purpose of a sandbox though. Why would a bear that is safe in highest ever leave highsec? |
Shag Sheep
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:35:00 -
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Because it's no longer safe?
Duh. |
gfldex
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:37:00 -
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Aethlyn wrote:Sorry, but did I miss something causing all the outcries? Only saw part of the crime stuff (reiterating security standing hits and stuff) yesterday, but didn't sound that bad?
You may have missed that PvP decreased quite a bit when Incursions where released.
The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
Mr R4nd0m
Retribution.
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:42:00 -
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Korg Leaf wrote:This kind of defeats the whole purpose of a sandbox though. Why would a bear that is safe in highest ever leave highsec?
Its affecting your sandbox, just like you are affecting someone elses - hence thats why its a sandbox. You are happy to stop someone elses gameplay, but not happy that it stops yours
Well as i said its different story but you need to restrict the bearing
High sec should be almost like training grounds and really should be restricted
- Cut the number of high sec systems in half - possibly change to more low sec systems
- Cut down the number of resources and isk making available
- Missions only to level 1 and 2
- Minerals on the very basic minerals can be mined
- The cost of those very basic minerals to be lowered
- Have less market hubs, thus creating more competition, and less profit
Stuff like this, high sec should be very very basic, if you want to progress in the game you need to 'move on' to get the better stuff, low sec/null sec will be the natural progression... |
Kain De'Stroi
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:44:00 -
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Korg Leaf wrote:This kind of defeats the whole purpose of a sandbox though. Why would a bear that is safe in highest ever leave highsec?
risk vs reward, CCP needs to improve that a bit though.
and high sec has never been a sandbox. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:47:00 -
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You're not making any sense. Why should people leave a PvP region of space in order to do PvP? 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Nedes Betternaem
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:52:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:Korg Leaf wrote:This kind of defeats the whole purpose of a sandbox though. Why would a bear that is safe in highest ever leave highsec? Its affecting your sandbox, just like you are affecting someone elses - hence thats why its a sandbox. You are happy to stop someone elses gameplay, but not happy that it stops yours Well as i said its different story but you need to restrict the bearing High sec should be almost like training grounds and really should be restricted - Cut the number of high sec systems in half - possibly change to more low sec systems - Cut down the number of resources and isk making available - Missions only to level 1 and 2 - Minerals on the very basic minerals can be mined - The cost of those very basic minerals to be lowered - Have less market hubs, thus creating more competition, and less profit Stuff like this, high sec should be very very basic, if you want to progress in the game you need to 'move on' to get the better stuff, low sec/null sec will be the natural progression...
At first I agreed with your original post, but after that example, I would rather just stick with what we have now than adopt this. |
Mr R4nd0m
Retribution.
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:56:00 -
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Tippia wrote:You're not making any sense. Why should people leave a PvP region of space in order to do PvP?
Who states that high sec is a pvp region of space? Its not in everyones eyes. PVP region of space, is where everyone considers it a PVP region of space. Most new players consider this to be fairly safe. OK fair enough its not. So why have it called HIGH SEC at all then? Whats the point? Because quite frankly it means nothing. Infact why called it SECURITY SEC at all?
it obviously doesnt have any bearing on whether someone will die or not, concord or the consequences are not that great. I mean a couple of nados can gank a freighter worth 10 bill of loot for what only 150mill of lost ships... Wheres the high sec consequence of that?
See high sec as a pvp region is YOUR view and not everyone elses.
Can you simply not understand its not just about pvping in highsec... its player retention, what happens when all the vets leave? and no noobs play the game, because its not worth it? Shall the game just die, because you can no longer shoot stuff in high sec and you start crying about it, when 3/4 of eve space can be pvp'd in?
Basically you just want easy pvp, which is ironic when people complain about highsec carebears wanting it easy also?
I totally agree something needs to be done hence my suggestions above.
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baltec1
853
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:59:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:Tippia wrote:You're not making any sense. Why should people leave a PvP region of space in order to do PvP? Who states that high sec is a pvp region of space? Its not in everyones eyes. PVP region of space, is where everyone considers it a PVP region of space. Most new players consider this to be fairly safe. OK fair enough its not. So why have it called HIGH SEC at all then? Whats the point? Because quite frankly it means nothing. Infact why called it SECURITY SEC at all? it obviously doesnt have any bearing on whether someone will die or not, concord or the consequences are not that great. I mean a couple of nados can gank a freighter worth 10 bill of loot for what only 150mill of lost ships... Wheres the high sec consequence of that? See high sec as a pvp region is YOUR view and not everyone elses. Can you simply not understand its not just about pvping in highsec... its player retention, what happens when all the vets leave? and no noobs play the game, because its not worth it? Shall the game just die, because you can no longer shoot stuff in high sec and you start crying about it, when 3/4 of eve space can be pvp'd in? Basically you just want easy pvp, which is ironic when people complain about highsec carebears wanting it easy also? I totally agree something needs to be done hence my suggestions above.
If it wasn't a pvp area you wouldn't be able to do pvp. TBH the people need to grow the balls are the carebears who think they should have perfect safety and no risk in any activity they do. |
Mr R4nd0m
Retribution.
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:01:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Tippia wrote:You're not making any sense. Why should people leave a PvP region of space in order to do PvP? Who states that high sec is a pvp region of space? Its not in everyones eyes. PVP region of space, is where everyone considers it a PVP region of space. Most new players consider this to be fairly safe. OK fair enough its not. So why have it called HIGH SEC at all then? Whats the point? Because quite frankly it means nothing. Infact why called it SECURITY SEC at all? it obviously doesnt have any bearing on whether someone will die or not, concord or the consequences are not that great. I mean a couple of nados can gank a freighter worth 10 bill of loot for what only 150mill of lost ships... Wheres the high sec consequence of that? See high sec as a pvp region is YOUR view and not everyone elses. Can you simply not understand its not just about pvping in highsec... its player retention, what happens when all the vets leave? and no noobs play the game, because its not worth it? Shall the game just die, because you can no longer shoot stuff in high sec and you start crying about it, when 3/4 of eve space can be pvp'd in? Basically you just want easy pvp, which is ironic when people complain about highsec carebears wanting it easy also? I totally agree something needs to be done hence my suggestions above. If it wansn't a pvp area you wouldn't be able to do pvp. TBH the people need to grow the balls are the carebears who think they should have perfect safety and no risk in any activity they do.
Errr well its not going to be a pvp area anymore is it..so duh... thats the change...
I am not disagreeing on that point, i do agree. But basically people are whining cos they cant shoot carebears... cos they are too lame to do proper pvp - thats my issue. They are in the same boat as the high sec carebears, they want something for nothing. |
Mr R4nd0m
Retribution.
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:04:00 -
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Tippia wrote:You're not making any sense. Why should people leave a PvP region of space in order to do PvP?
its not going to be a pvp region of space now - is it - kinda now nullifies your statement...
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Lexmana
Imperial Stout
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:05:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:
See high sec as a pvp region is YOUR view and not everyone elses.
It is not a matter of view. It is a fact. If you think it is a bug that you can fire guns at other players ship in highsec go ahead and bug report it. |
Katrina D'Neese
First Star Industries
Rolling Thunder.
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:06:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Tippia wrote:You're not making any sense. Why should people leave a PvP region of space in order to do PvP? Who states that high sec is a pvp region of space? Its not in everyones eyes. PVP region of space, is where everyone considers it a PVP region of space. Most new players consider this to be fairly safe. OK fair enough its not. So why have it called HIGH SEC at all then? Whats the point? Because quite frankly it means nothing. Infact why called it SECURITY SEC at all? it obviously doesnt have any bearing on whether someone will die or not, concord or the consequences are not that great. I mean a couple of nados can gank a freighter worth 10 bill of loot for what only 150mill of lost ships... Wheres the high sec consequence of that? See high sec as a pvp region is YOUR view and not everyone elses. Can you simply not understand its not just about pvping in highsec... its player retention, what happens when all the vets leave? and no noobs play the game, because its not worth it? Shall the game just die, because you can no longer shoot stuff in high sec and you start crying about it, when 3/4 of eve space can be pvp'd in? Basically you just want easy pvp, which is ironic when people complain about highsec carebears wanting it easy also? I totally agree something needs to be done hence my suggestions above. If it wasn't a pvp area you wouldn't be able to do pvp. TBH the people need to grow the balls are the carebears who think they should have perfect safety and no risk in any activity they do.
QFT
And for Mr random anyone who sticks loot in a ship 10 times its value deserves to die, don't fly what you can't afford to lose
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:07:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:TBH the people need to grow the balls are the "so-called hi sec PVPers" who think they should have perfect safety and no risk in any activity they do.
Fixed for ya. And you'll be happy to know that with these changes there will now be some non-mickie-mouse consequences to their actions.
Eve is now dark and harsh for everyone, including the grief-prone demented kiddies.
Careful who you start **** with, cause you don't know how it's gonna end up :P.
Welcome to Eve. I hope you enjoy your stay! If not, go back to WOW.
What? It's your own rhetoric. Don't taste good? :P |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:08:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:
I am not disagreeing on that point, i do agree. But basically people are whining cos they cant shoot carebears... cos they are too lame to do proper pvp - thats my issue. They are in the same boat as the high sec carebears, they want something for nothing.
Why shouldn't people shoot carebears?
They have to make themselves a target anyway. |
Mr R4nd0m
Retribution.
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:09:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:
See high sec as a pvp region is YOUR view and not everyone elses.
It is not a matter of view. It is a fact. If you think it is a bug that you can fire guns at other players ship in highsec go ahead and bug report it.
its not quite the same, what people 'think' and can do is it.
Also i am a vet pvp, and i find people who pvp in highsec are just as bad and lame as people who just constantly mine in highsec...
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baltec1
853
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:11:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:baltec1 wrote:TBH the people need to grow the balls are the "so-called hi sec PVPers" who think they should have perfect safety and no risk in any activity they do. Fixed for ya. And you'll be happy to know that with these changes there will now be some non-mickie-mouse consequences to their actions. Eve is now dark and harsh for everyone, including the grief-prone demented kiddies. Careful who you start **** with, cause you don't know how it's gonna end up :P. Welcome to Eve. I hope you enjoy your stay! If not, go back to WOW.What? It's your own rhetoric. Don't taste good? :P
Funny thing is, I like the mass agro idea but not the sec status drop. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
260
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:26:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:Lexmana wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:
See high sec as a pvp region is YOUR view and not everyone elses.
It is not a matter of view. It is a fact. If you think it is a bug that you can fire guns at other players ship in highsec go ahead and bug report it. its not quite the same, what people 'think' and can do is it. Also i am a vet pvp, and i find people who pvp in highsec are just as bad and lame as people who just constantly mine in highsec...
A lot of people can't 'think' properly but fact is fact.
And I find it lame complaining about PvP on the forums of a PvP game. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
225
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:27:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:Also i am a vet pvp, and i find people who pvp in highsec are just as bad and lame as people who just constantly mine in highsec...
So I looked up this "a vet pvp" up on Battleclinic, and...
Unable to locate any matches for your search terms. |
baltec1
853
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:31:00 -
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http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=999600
I found him on eve-kill. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5747
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:36:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:Who states that high sec is a pvp region of space? CCP. They say it's everywhere. So no, it's not my view GÇö it's just how the game works (and some people being blind to it).
Quote:So why have it called HIGH SEC at all then? Whats the point? Because quite frankly it means nothing. Infact why called it SECURITY SEC at all? GÇ£Security secGÇ£? Redundant name is redundant (and incorrect). It's called high sec because the security is higher there than in lowsec and nullsec.
Quote:See high sec as a pvp region is YOUR view and not everyone elses. No. It's the game's view. Anyone who disagrees with it is just plain old wrong.
Quote:its not going to be a pvp region of space now - is it - kinda now nullifies your statement... It's still going to be a PvP region. So no, it still just makes your request nonsensical.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Lt Angus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:47:00 -
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High sec has been the best pvp area for ages, no caps and you can use small ships on gates  |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.03.23 12:06:00 -
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Gankbear tears, best tears |
Mr R4nd0m
Retribution.
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Posted - 2012.03.23 12:57:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:Who states that high sec is a pvp region of space? CCP. They say it's everywhere. So no, it's not my view GÇö it's just how the game works (and some people being blind to it). Quote:So why have it called HIGH SEC at all then? Whats the point? Because quite frankly it means nothing. Infact why called it SECURITY SEC at all? GÇ£Security secGÇ£? Redundant name is redundant (and incorrect). It's called high sec because the security is higher there than in lowsec and nullsec. Quote:See high sec as a pvp region is YOUR view and not everyone elses. No. It's the game's view. Anyone who disagrees with it is just plain old wrong. Quote:its not going to be a pvp region of space now - is it - kinda now nullifies your statement... It's still going to be a PvP region. So no, it still just makes your request nonsensical.
Here you go again, telling it from your point of view
Firstly show me any statement from CCP that states eve is purely a PVP Game...
To you it maybe a PVP game, but to others it may not be.
There are many professions in eve, miner, pvper, manf etc.
So say there is a builder and never pvp'd they wouldnt see the game as a pure pvp game at all, yes it as 'elements' of pvp but to them its more about building ships/mods etc.
Same goes for mining, yes there are 'elements' of pvp that could potentially effect their game, but to them personally its a game that allows them to do industry stuff. So they could say well i live in highsec, where I can mine etc, so to me its mining game.
See the problem with you Tippia is that you have no common sense, always take and discuss things literally.
High Sec, Security Sec whatever its all the same, you knew what I meant. My point being, define secure? How is it really more secure? In the context of eve its just as secure as nullsec. Being that really anyone can kill you at anytime. Ok there might be some consequences from police, but you get that in low sec as well, and the possibliity of being blobbed in nullsec (which is pretty much self policing, a bit like somalia shall we say!)
For the player there really is no 'security' so whats the purpose of defining it? Only purpose is gameplay immersion, it serves no real purpose to the actual player. If you want to gank someone at anytime you can. Even sometimes get away as well.
So try get out of the tunnel vision and stop imposing 'your' game and your view on the game on everyone else. |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
294
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Posted - 2012.03.23 13:15:00 -
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Sure highsec ganking freighters with alpha-volleying tornados or untanked hulks with destroyers is PvP? 
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
226
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Posted - 2012.03.23 13:21:00 -
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Deviana Sevidon wrote:Sure highsec ganking freighters with alpha-volleying tornados or untanked hulks with destroyers is PvP?
Yes. When a player is killing another player, it's considered pvp. I think the term you were looking for was "fair, honorable fight." |
TuonelanOrja
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
186
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Posted - 2012.03.23 13:23:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:Lexmana wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:
See high sec as a pvp region is YOUR view and not everyone elses.
It is not a matter of view. It is a fact. If you think it is a bug that you can fire guns at other players ship in highsec go ahead and bug report it. its not quite the same, what people 'think' and can do is it. Also i am a vet pvp, and i find people who pvp in highsec are just as bad and lame as people who just constantly mine in highsec...
Lol, another leet gate camper ..
Not a veteran, just bitter.. |
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