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DeathToKittens Minmatar Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.08.20 19:56:00 - [1] I have recently acquired my self a sleipnir. I was originally planning on using it as a Vagabond on steroids, but now with the impending speed nerf I wonder if that's a good idea. I am now considering an active tank and damage mods. How is the speed nerf going to effect the sleipnir? What do you fit on your sleipnir?
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.20 19:58:00 - [2] Sell it, buy a hurricane.
Maeltstome Minmatar Suicidal Office Clerks	Posted - 2008.08.20 21:11:00 - [3] Or tank the shit out of it and melt people with 7 double damage bonused guns and 3 gyro's. P.S. Post nerf it will still be fast and will still solo a cane.
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2008.08.20 21:46:00 - [4] Originally by: DeathToKittens How is the speed nerf going to effect the sleipnir? What do you fit on your sleipnir? 425 II's, Rapid Deployment gang link MWD, disruptor, buffer tank DCU II, 3x Gyro II, TE II Falloff rigs Sometimes I'll fit 2x Local Hull Istabs instead of 2 Gyros, so I can align and warp as fast as a HAC. I don't suppose it will change much if the speed nerf goes to TQ, since every ship will become slower by the same proportion, not just the Sleip.
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments EVESpace	Posted - 2008.08.20 22:49:00 - [5] I would fly it the same way I would fly it before patch: a tanked FC ship in a gang.
Lorz0r You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2008.08.20 22:55:00 - [6] Edited by: Lorz0r on 20/08/2008 23:01:46 Originally by: Guillame Herschel Originally by: DeathToKittens How is the speed nerf going to effect the sleipnir? What do you fit on your sleipnir? 425 II's, Rapid Deployment gang link MWD, disruptor, buffer tank DCU II, 3x Gyro II, TE II Falloff rigs Sometimes I'll fit 2x Local Hull Istabs instead of 2 Gyros, so I can align and warp as fast as a HAC. I don't suppose it will change much if the speed nerf goes to TQ, since every ship will become slower by the same proportion, not just the Sleip. Fly a Hurricane. Such a bad sleipnir fit.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.08.20 23:09:00 - [7] Originally by: Maeltstome Or tank the shit out of it and melt people with 7 double damage bonused guns and 3 gyro's. P.S. Post nerf it will still be fast and will still solo a cane. This. Don't listen to the "Buy a cane" noobs.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.20 23:31:00 - [8] Originally by: Maeltstome Or tank the shit out of it and melt people with 7 double damage bonused guns and 3 gyro's. P.S. Post nerf it will still be fast and will still solo a cane. I'd love to see a tank-the-shit-out-of-sleipnir last. It's completely cap booster heavy and DPS is nothing amazing. It's a 200mil isk sink. P.S. The tempest has 6 double damage bonused guns, look how awesome it is.
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2008.08.20 23:32:00 - [9] Originally by: Lorz0r Such a bad sleipnir fit. And your mother dresses you funny.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.08.20 23:45:00 - [10] Edited by: Vaal Erit on 20/08/2008 23:45:44 No one is saying the Sleipnir can wtfbbq two neuting Domis, AstroPhobic. Tanked sleip is a good ship and is not being changed at all with the speed changes. And it is more like 120M, not 200M. Fitting a hurricane for gank is fine, but if anything shoots at it, you die like a sack of shit. Sleip can tank and still pull off some type of tank under energy warfare due to the injector. Great range, lots of drones, it is not just a 200M hurricane and thinking like that shows how much of a noob you are.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.08.20 23:49:00 - [11] Originally by: Maeltstome Or tank the shit out of it and melt people with 7 double damage bonused guns and 3 gyro's. P.S. Post nerf it will still be fast and will still solo a cane. The day a tech two ship cannot solo it's T1 counterpart is the day you can truly declare all is lost.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.20 23:52:00 - [12] How much of a noob I am? Do you realize the state of the force command ships? They're cool painted T2 BCs with slightly better tanks. The only one that was worth a damn as a general combat ship was sleipnir, and that was only because it can be nanod. If you have a couple of t2 BPOs cranking out daily, or sell GTCs, go for it. Most of us don't play like that and actually have to consider ship efficiency, where command ships fail dearly. Why, especially post-nerf, should I take a sleipnir out instead of a typhoon? A gang link? That's for claymores. All it takes is a clue and a little bit of DPS and your ship pops like a fat kid stomping on a balloon. It's like suggesting that you should fly a navy thron over a thron because it offers xyz slightly better benefit. That's great. The navy thron will outpreform the thron in every situation.
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.21 00:01:00 - [13] Originally by: Maeltstome Or tank the shit out of it and melt people with 7 double damage bonused guns and 3 gyro's. P.S. Post nerf it will still be fast and will still solo a cane. It only outdamages the Hurricane At Command Ships V. And it costs, what, 15 times more to lose it? It damn better solo a Hurricane. It's not worth it financially though.
Lorz0r You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2008.08.21 00:02:00 - [14] Originally by: Guillame Herschel Originally by: Lorz0r Such a bad sleipnir fit. And your mother dresses you funny. Maybe but I'm gonna give you reasons why. Never EVER fit 425mm's on a Sleip, they are just too hard to fit and are not worth the DPS increase. It's like an extra 30-40 DPS in trade of tracking and they are a nightmare to fit with a good tank. That sleip would die so fast it's not even funny. You simply CANNOT buffer tank a ship with 5 meds and a bonus to a shield booster. That setup does just about everything badly. You have good DPS but you have the worst tank at BC level I have ever seen, you're slow, you have worse tracking than 220mm's even with the and because you wanted to fit them you can't fit an active tank. Highs 7x220mm Auto 2's Meds XL SB2 Invuln2 WD2 10MN MWD2 Med electromchem Lows OD2 Nano2 2 Gyro 2's 1 DCU2 (change this for a 3rd Gyro if you want more gank) Rigs Polycarb Kinetic shield resist Requires AWU4 and a 1% CPU implant. Has a top speed (currently) at about 2100 and 650-700 DPS with a good active tank which is heavily reliant on cap.
Lorz0r You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2008.08.21 00:05:00 - [15] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Maeltstome Or tank the shit out of it and melt people with 7 double damage bonused guns and 3 gyro's. P.S. Post nerf it will still be fast and will still solo a cane. It only outdamages the Hurricane At Command Ships V. And it costs, what, 15 times more to lose it? It damn better solo a Hurricane. It's not worth it financially though. I hate it when people say this, it just makes you look stupid. AT 3KM THE HURRICANE OUTDAMAGES A SLEIPNIR. Grats, no one fights at that range. Just calculate that 50% Falloff bonus the Sleip gets then see who does more DPS at real ranges.
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.21 00:09:00 - [16] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 21/08/2008 00:10:58 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 21/08/2008 00:10:20 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 21/08/2008 00:09:28 Originally by: Lorz0r I hate it when people say this, it just makes you look stupid. AT 3KM THE HURRICANE OUTDAMAGES A SLEIPNIR. Grats, no one fights at that range Well, I generally try to. The falloff difference isn't very big anyway. Unless you trimark the Hurricane instead of falloff rigging. Trimarking it isn't worth it anyway, and with falloff rigs at 3m/pop, it's preety damn easy (and cheap) to reach the Sleipnir's range. Imo, none of the field commands are worth it.
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2008.08.21 00:12:00 - [17] Originally by: Lorz0r You simply CANNOT buffer tank a ship with 5 meds and a bonus to a shield booster. And you CANNOT fit a Dominix without guns, it has a gun bonus and 6 turret hardpoints. Quote: (gob-smack standard booster fit, requiring CPU implant, as usual) Duh. There are more interesting fits available if your implant inventory goes beyond 1% CPU implants.
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.21 00:13:00 - [18] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 21/08/2008 00:14:41 Originally by: Guillame Herschel Originally by: Lorz0r You simply CANNOT buffer tank a ship with 5 meds and a bonus to a shield booster. And you CANNOT fit a Dominix without guns, it has a gun bonus and 6 turret hardpoints. Unlike the neut/whatever dominix, the Sleipnir in a buffer-tank fit is pure fail. Well, unless you nano it, and thats not going to work anymore.
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2008.08.21 00:15:00 - [19] Originally by: Cpt Branko Unlike the neut/whatever dominix, the Sleipnir in a buffer-tank fit is pure fail. Against what targets? ALL of them? C'mon...
Lorz0r You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2008.08.21 00:18:00 - [20] Originally by: Guillame Herschel Originally by: Lorz0r You simply CANNOT buffer tank a ship with 5 meds and a bonus to a shield booster. And you CANNOT fit a Dominix without guns, it has a gun bonus and 6 turret hardpoints. Quote: (gob-smack standard booster fit, requiring CPU implant, as usual) Duh. There are more interesting fits available if your implant inventory goes beyond 1% CPU implants. I made that setup myself, I don't know if its a popular one or not. 1v1 My sleip would murder yours and you know it. You would be in your pod and I would still have boosters left over. If you're using your setup to be different then I guess youll learn the hard way. FACT: You have about 50 more DPS than me and about 6-7k more falloff. Your tank is nothing short of pathetic and you're about 500m/s slower than me. Bet you're glad you fit them falloff rigs now.
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.21 00:18:00 - [21] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 21/08/2008 00:21:40 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 21/08/2008 00:19:08 Originally by: Guillame Herschel Originally by: Cpt Branko Unlike the neut/whatever dominix, the Sleipnir in a buffer-tank fit is pure fail. Against what targets? ALL of them? C'mon... Well, yeah, it preforms worse then the active tanked one in nearly all situations (aside from heavy neuting)... a command ship with what, 75K effective HP when fitting MWD+disruptor (and extender rigs, not falloff rigs - you've got 62K eff HP with falloff rigs. Really do yourself a favour and buy a cane.)? If you're going to buffer tank it, nano it. Which won't work post-patch...
Lorz0r You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2008.08.21 00:22:00 - [22] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 21/08/2008 00:10:58 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 21/08/2008 00:10:20 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 21/08/2008 00:09:28 Originally by: Lorz0r I hate it when people say this, it just makes you look stupid. AT 3KM THE HURRICANE OUTDAMAGES A SLEIPNIR. Grats, no one fights at that range Well, I generally try to. The falloff difference isn't very big anyway. Unless you trimark the Hurricane instead of falloff rigging. Trimarking it isn't worth it anyway, and with falloff rigs at 3m/pop, it's preety damn easy (and cheap) to reach the Sleipnir's range. Imo, none of the field commands are worth it. Well I think you're right in that the Field commands aren't worth it but the Sleipnir is hands down better than the Hurricane in every way.
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2008.08.21 00:25:00 - [23] Originally by: Lorz0r I made that setup myself, I don't know if its a popular one or not. It's exactly the same fit everyone arrives at when they try to take advantage of the booster bonus. Quote: 1v1 My sleip would murder yours and you know it. Maybe it would. How many times do you get in a 1v1 Sleip fight on TQ? Quote: FACT: You have about 50 more DPS than me and about 6-7k more falloff. Your tank is nothing short of pathetic and you're about 500m/s slower than me. No, I have a skirmish mindlink, other speed implants, and am the fleet booster. I go faster. You die because you thought I was gonna 1v1. :)
EFT Warrior	Posted - 2008.08.21 00:27:00 - [24] Falcons are cheaper anyway.
Lorz0r You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2008.08.21 00:36:00 - [25] Originally by: Guillame Herschel Originally by: Lorz0r I made that setup myself, I don't know if its a popular one or not. It's exactly the same fit everyone arrives at when they try to take advantage of the booster bonus. Quote: 1v1 My sleip would murder yours and you know it. Maybe it would. How many times do you get in a 1v1 Sleip fight on TQ? Quote: FACT: You have about 50 more DPS than me and about 6-7k more falloff. Your tank is nothing short of pathetic and you're about 500m/s slower than me. No, I have a skirmish mindlink, other speed implants, and am the fleet booster. I go faster. You die because you thought I was gonna 1v1. :) TRY to take advantage? It's the same as a faction Boost amp. Why WOULDNT you take advantage of it when it has only 5 mid slots? 1v1. 1vANYTHING I would do better than your setup. Sorry you don't go faster. Oh wow you have a skirmish Mindlink, I'll just drop the DCU for a CPU2 and fit one as well. Actually no I won't because I would fit it to my Hurricane and still kill your Sleipnir with it.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.21 00:38:00 - [26] Less theoryfighting, more fix CS posts please thanks.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.08.21 03:44:00 - [27] Originally by: Lorz0r Well I think you're right in that the Field commands aren't worth it but the Sleipnir is hands down better than the Hurricane in every way. True, it's just not cost-effective. Although, I'm quite certain I could gank that silly buffer setup with a cane
AnKahn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.21 04:01:00 - [28] The Domi has a gun bonus?
6Bagheera9 Slacker Industries	Posted - 2008.08.21 04:04:00 - [29] Please don't buffer tank a Sleipnir, it will work so much better with an active tank and a cap injector. Also don't try to fit a webb and/or disruptor; you need the mids for your tank and its better to have a friend ceptor tackle for you.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.21 05:37:00 - [30] Originally by: AstroPhobic How much of a noob I am? Do you realize the state of the force command ships? They're cool painted T2 BCs with slightly better tanks. The only one that was worth a damn as a general combat ship was sleipnir, and that was only because it can be nanod. If you have a couple of t2 BPOs cranking out daily, or sell GTCs, go for it. Most of us don't play like that and actually have to consider ship efficiency, where command ships fail dearly. Why, especially post-nerf, should I take a sleipnir out instead of a typhoon? A gang link? That's for claymores. All it takes is a clue and a little bit of DPS and your ship pops like a fat kid stomping on a balloon. It's like suggesting that you should fly a navy thron over a thron because it offers xyz slightly better benefit. That's great. The navy thron will outpreform the thron in every situation. The ppl who fly cs's in pvp are either noobs with too much isk, or hardcore pvpers who dont care how much isk they had to spend extra, they just like more performance
Shafty	Posted - 2008.08.21 07:27:00 - [31] Fit it like it used to be fitted before nanos were popular, active tank and 220s. Getting your supportive skills up is the key to not losing ships like sleips, when all your comp skills are up you naturally have a better tank. Seems people think that now nanos are being nerfed all the ships that were good before speed was king will suddenly be shit. Sleipnir was CS of choice then (slightly ahead of Astarte) so no reason itll suddenly become crap.
fivetide humidyear Gallente EXCESS10N	Posted - 2008.08.21 08:26:00 - [32] Edited by: fivetide humidyear on 21/08/2008 08:28:54 7x 220mm vulcan II (barrage loaded. hail, rf emp, rf phased plasma carried) 1x medium neut II Dread Guristas X-Large shield booster Invulnerability field II warp disruptor II 10MN MWD II Medium electrochemical (800's) Lows 3x gyrostabilizer II damage control II local inertial stabilizer Rigs kinetic and thermal resist rigs drones 3x hammerhead II + 2x hobgoblin II 3x EC-600 + 2x EC-300 yes it's damage only betters a hurricane at CS5 but it has quite a nice tank as well, especially so if you add a few implants. a ganglink can be fitted by changing to a IFFA damage controland a named warp disruptor iirc. a heavy missile launcher can be added just by changing to an IFFA damage control edit: an x-large shield booster II will fit by replacing the istab with a co-processor II
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.08.21 10:06:00 - [33] Just be grateful that you have the PG to fit a gang mod on a Sleipnir. Just try fitting a Nighthawk to be useful in PVP...
ArmyOfMe Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.	Posted - 2008.08.21 11:20:00 - [34] Originally by: Shafty Seems people think that now nanos are being nerfed all the ships that were good before speed was king will suddenly be shit. Sleipnir was CS of choice then (slightly ahead of Astarte) so no reason itll suddenly become crap. Finally someone who gets it ships that worked before nanos were king will still work when nanos get nerfed.
Lt Angus Caldari Lt Angus Corp	Posted - 2008.08.21 11:34:00 - [35] Edited by: Lt Angus on 21/08/2008 11:34:44 Originally by: ArmyOfMe Originally by: Shafty Seems people think that now nanos are being nerfed all the ships that were good before speed was king will suddenly be shit. Sleipnir was CS of choice then (slightly ahead of Astarte) so no reason itll suddenly become crap. Finally someone who gets it ships that worked before nanos were king will still work when nanos get nerfed. it did 30% more dmg "pre nanos" and ships had less hp
NeoTheo Dark Materials	Posted - 2008.08.21 12:03:00 - [36] Originally by: AstroPhobic How much of a noob I am? Do you realize the state of the force command ships? They're cool painted T2 BCs with slightly better tanks. The only one that was worth a damn as a general combat ship was sleipnir, and that was only because it can be nanod. If you have a couple of t2 BPOs cranking out daily, or sell GTCs, go for it. Most of us don't play like that and actually have to consider ship efficiency, where command ships fail dearly. Why, especially post-nerf, should I take a sleipnir out instead of a typhoon? A gang link? That's for claymores. All it takes is a clue and a little bit of DPS and your ship pops like a fat kid stomping on a balloon. It's like suggesting that you should fly a navy thron over a thron because it offers xyz slightly better benefit. That's great. The navy thron will outpreform the thron in every situation. thats all well and good, but because you cant afford to loose a ship does not make it a bad ship. it just makes it a bad choice for you.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.08.21 12:21:00 - [37] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 21/08/2008 12:21:55 Originally by: NeoTheo thats all well and good, but because you cant afford to loose a ship does not make it a bad ship. The fact it's extremely hard pressed to be profitable (read: get more ISK in ransoms/loot before it dies) along with cheaper alternatives which outdo them in nearly all areas (battleships) does, in combination, make it a bad ship. I mean, I can afford a ton of those bastards, but I earn my ISK by pirating (which means my ships eventually pop: and my earnings depend on it costing as little as possible while getting the maximum 'bang' possible), so pirating in command ships leads to ruin in the long run. If I did carebearing/GTCs for ISK, then efficiency wouldn't be a concern, but I don't.
NeoTheo Dark Materials	Posted - 2008.08.21 12:30:00 - [38] Edited by: NeoTheo on 21/08/2008 12:30:35 Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 21/08/2008 12:21:55 Originally by: NeoTheo thats all well and good, but because you cant afford to loose a ship does not make it a bad ship. The fact it's extremely hard pressed to be profitable (read: get more ISK in ransoms/loot before it dies) along with cheaper alternatives which outdo them in nearly all areas (battleships) does, in combination, make it a bad ship. I mean, I can afford a ton of those bastards, but I earn my ISK by pirating (which means my ships eventually pop: and my earnings depend on it costing as little as possible while getting the maximum 'bang' possible), so pirating in command ships leads to ruin in the long run. If I did carebearing/GTCs for ISK, then efficiency wouldn't be a concern, but I don't. i know that mate, and i did say that (or at least i ment it), i know about "sensible choices", thats why i fly a brutix sometimes over my demo, or a ferox over a eagle, etc. i just mean the "hull is not technically flawed", like some hulls its just challenged from a isk point of view, and i have a GOOD industrial op backing me.. I stand by my point, but see yours as well.
MattFighT	Posted - 2008.08.21 17:31:00 - [39] i've been flying a sleipnir for nearly 2 years now, i have always been a pirate, and i have only been flying a sleipnir. Before the nano age my sleipnir was tanked and ganked fitted but my skills were not so good, now i've trained every single skills affecting the sleipnir and even during the nano age i sometimes fitted it tank and gank. I use this fit generally in a small gang 7 425mm Auto 1 Shield Harmonizing - siege warfare link 1 dread guristas Large shield booster 1 shield boost amp II 2 invul II 1 electrochemical med cap booster 3 gyro II 1 DCU II 1 PDU II/Inertia stab II anti-kinetic rig Core defence operational solidifier I got a low grade crystal set Med projectile damage implant I tank a BS under sentry when overloading the invuls My dps can break most Bs tanks And i never roam alone always with a Heavy hictor at least. I help the gang, tank great, gank great, i align faster than any bs, and that is great when gate camping. I could use the minmatar Bs's but it's not that of a difference.
Red Thunder Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.08.21 17:37:00 - [40] buy a cane
Shafty The All-Seeing Eye G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.08.21 20:13:00 - [41] Buy a cane if you are cheap. However there is no substitute for looking good
atomic killer	Posted - 2008.08.21 20:54:00 - [42] Originally by: MattFighT i've been flying a sleipnir for nearly 2 years now, i have always been a pirate, and i have only been flying a sleipnir. Before the nano age my sleipnir was tanked and ganked fitted but my skills were not so good, now i've trained every single skills affecting the sleipnir and even during the nano age i sometimes fitted it tank and gank. I use this fit generally in a small gang 7 425mm Auto 1 Shield Harmonizing - siege warfare link 1 dread guristas Large shield booster 1 shield boost amp II 2 invul II 1 electrochemical med cap booster 3 gyro II 1 DCU II 1 PDU II/Inertia stab II anti-kinetic rig Core defence operational solidifier I got a low grade crystal set Med projectile damage implant I tank a BS under sentry when overloading the invuls My dps can break most Bs tanks And i never roam alone always with a Heavy hictor at least. I help the gang, tank great, gank great, i align faster than any bs, and that is great when gate camping. I could use the minmatar Bs's but it's not that of a difference. Large shield booster is a failure ! You cannot tank anything with it ! Also setups for gang and solo are a bit different
Maeltstome Minmatar Suicidal Office Clerks	Posted - 2008.08.21 21:31:00 - [43] People who say fly a cane, i hope say that because of the price difference - a sleipnir outperforms a cane massively. To the guy who said CS lvl5 is needed to make it outdamage a cane: shield tanking means you can put damage mods on the lows without negatively effecting your ability to tank. Ok, damage wise you will push the same raw number with hail in - but in real life you can take a bigger beating in a sleip and perform at better ranges. I'm personally wanting the sleip to get some bonus CPU. That wouldn't be out of order imo. Given that it would definately re-affirm itself at the top of the CS pile. ------- [12:07] w33Daz: a trained 1 skill fur 24 mins n it took 2 days aff drones lvl 5 [12:07] w33Daz: A WIS LIKE WTF
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2008.08.21 21:36:00 - [44] Originally by: Lorz0r Sorry you don't go faster. Oh wow you have a skirmish Mindlink, I'll just drop the DCU for a CPU2 and fit one as well. A Skirmish Mindlink is not a module. It is a slot 10 implant that adds a 1.5x multiplier to all Skirmish Warfare boosts, active and passive, on top of all other modifiers. It requires Cybernetics V, Skirmish Warfare Specialist V and Warfare Link Specialist V. As long as I'm the fleet booster, I can leave the speed mods off the ship, and still go as fast as unboosted opponents. *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2008.08.21 21:40:00 - [45] Originally by: MattFighT 7 425mm Auto 1 Shield Harmonizing - siege warfare link 1 dread guristas Large shield booster 1 shield boost amp II 2 invul II 1 electrochemical med cap booster 3 gyro II 1 DCU II 1 PDU II/Inertia stab II anti-kinetic rig Core defence operational solidifier I got a low grade crystal set Now that's a terrific booster fit. Nice one. *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.08.21 22:33:00 - [46] Originally by: Maeltstome People who say fly a cane, i hope say that because of the price difference - a sleipnir outperforms a cane massively. Largely, yes. However: the Sleipnir is NOT a solo ship, the Hurricane is. You simply cannot fit MWD+point+web and any worthwhile tank. You say it yourself that tanking with mids means you get to fit damage mods in lows - it's the old discussion about shield tanks vs armour tanks. Armour tanks sacrifice tank/buffer to gank, shield tanks get to fit both tank and gank, at expense of tackle. Furthermore, yes, it requires CS V to outdamage a Hurricane. I don't know about you, but 2-3 falloff rigs on a Hurricane are standard fitting, so the range comment is 100% moot. People advocating buffer fits (like a poster before me was) on a Sleipnir should really buy a Hurricane. Buffer tanking a Sleipnir with MWD+point is crap if you're not nanoing it, and nano Sleipnirs are going to be significantly worse post patch. What CS in general need is some loving. Seriously, not getting any extra slots over a Tier 2 BC is the suck. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Kira Novia	Posted - 2008.08.21 22:43:00 - [47] Originally by: BiggestT The ppl who fly cs's in pvp are either noobs with too much isk... Deimos (HAC) is 2x as power as a Thorax. Astarte is more powerful than a Brutix and has a MUCH better tank. Simply put, HAC's and Command Ships are awesome to PvP with. Just because WE use them for that purpose, we're noobs? Die.
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.21 23:31:00 - [48] Edited by: Drek Grapper on 21/08/2008 23:35:40 Permatank X-Large Sliep (4 and half mintes with MWD on), tanks 686Dps and deals EFT damage of 637Dps with Barrage ammo and damage drones. Linkage Gang fit of course so no tackle but boy...permatank X-Large booster on a Sliep! Overloaded Tanks 864Dps overloaded for 6mins cap (without MWD) and Overheated Booster lasts just over 4mins (according to EFT). Not tested yet..but seems pretty mean. Edit: 3% Grid/TurretCPU/ implant and 3% med Turret and 5% all damage implants fitted. --------- If the Thorax was a car it would look like this
Norwood Franskly Minmatar Fleet of the Damned Dark Trinity Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.22 01:37:00 - [49] Originally by: Drek Grapper Edited by: Drek Grapper on 21/08/2008 23:35:40 Permatank X-Large Sliep (4 and half mintes with MWD on), tanks 686Dps and deals EFT damage of 637Dps with Barrage ammo and damage drones. Thats not a perma tank, you're using cap boosters here is my perma tanking setup (I use it for missions) tanks almost the same dps as you no cap boosters and no need to use implants, the whole setup cost me about 230 million. for pvp I'd fly something cheaper like a hurricane. Though I am tempted to use a 720 mmm sleip like this in a sniping hac gang I think it would do well backed up by some muninns, will need some tweakings as it will need a mwd then.
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.22 02:57:00 - [50] No MWD it doesn't count... --------- If the Thorax was a car it would look like this
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.08.22 06:09:00 - [51] Originally by: AstroPhobic How much of a noob I am? Do you realize the state of the force command ships? They're cool painted T2 BCs with slightly better tanks. The only one that was worth a damn as a general combat ship was sleipnir, and that was only because it can be nanod. If you have a couple of t2 BPOs cranking out daily, or sell GTCs, go for it. Most of us don't play like that and actually have to consider ship efficiency, where command ships fail dearly. Why, especially post-nerf, should I take a sleipnir out instead of a typhoon? A gang link? That's for claymores. All it takes is a clue and a little bit of DPS and your ship pops like a fat kid stomping on a balloon. It's like suggesting that you should fly a navy thron over a thron because it offers xyz slightly better benefit. That's great. The navy thron will outpreform the thron in every situation. I at least know there is no such thing as a "force" command ship, there is field and fleet. I never said it was the best price/performance ship, that is T1 ships, by FAR. Everyone knows T1 is the fly for free class and T2 is the harsh death penalty class. Fact is that a 5 man Sleipnir gang will own a 5 man hurricane gang before they know wtf is going on. "slightly" better tank? What? You mean 2-3x better than an active hurricane? or 50% better than a passive cane with much better range, etc etc? When playing EVE, you can gank noobs in low sec and use any ship since it really doesnt matter. If you are outnumbered or as such often happens you need to squeeze out every bit of performance out of each local member that you can. Command ships could use a boost, I wouldn't mind that, 120M isn't exactly OMG money, but a CPU boost or a 6th mid on the sleip would be nice. More cpu/grid/cap to fit and use gang links I would love to see. Of course boost the other CS in similar fashions. CSs and especially the sleip are not rofl broken like say the AFs or BOs Classic sleip fit that I think does fine in a smallish gang: 7x 220mm II, 1x arbie HML mwd, X-L II, med injector, 2x invuln II IFF DCU, Co proc II, 3x gyro II Shield rigs: safeguards or resist or whatever hell even ambits Tanking 1000 DPS for almost minute while spewing 650-700 DPS isn't what I would call omg broken. For a lot of situations I would suggest the Hurricane instead, but if you have the cash and stay away from neut domis, then for god's sake fly it, it is extremely fun. -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
50freefly Caldari Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.08.22 09:04:00 - [52] Originally by: Cpt Branko Furthermore, yes, it requires CS V to outdamage a Hurricane. Uh, wrong? Notice how Sleipnir has 7 guns and a bigger drone bay. Then tell me it does less damage until CS 5. Sleip is better in every way than the cane. Hell, you can passive armor tank it and it still beats the shit out of a cane, at everything. However, field commands need a boost. There's currently no reason to use one over a BS (Except the sleip because the tempy is so shit). I believe this is coming in the form of a web nerf. CS will be able to track things bs no longer can, and the sleip is actually getting boosted because the lack of slots for a web is no longer such a big deal. But making statements that are untrue with no evidence is just moronic. -----------------------------------------------
Lorz0r You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2008.08.23 00:25:00 - [53] My sliepnir does the same DPS as my hurricane at command ships 3. Thats both with 3 gyro's, a rack of 220mm auto's using RP EMP and 2 Arby HAMS on the cane with damage drones.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.08.23 01:34:00 - [54] Originally by: 50freefly Originally by: Cpt Branko Furthermore, yes, it requires CS V to outdamage a Hurricane. Uh, wrong? Notice how Sleipnir has 7 guns and a bigger drone bay. Then tell me it does less damage until CS 5. Also, Sleipnir this and that. Yawn 2x 25% damage bonuses is what? 1x 25% damage bonus, and one 25% reduction in ROF is what? 25% ROF is 33% DPS. But, yeah, just checked it out, I was wrong. It already outdamages the Hurricane by a slight bit at CS IV (with ECMs, what I was originally using), or CS III (damage drones, thermal). The differences are very small (everything is assuming 5% damage + 3% rof - if you can't pay for 20M of hardwirings you shouldn't be flying a CS anyway). And, no, it does not 'beat the shit out of the Hurricane at everything'. Geez. You're fitting MWD/point/web (and ECCM on my hurricanes in general) on a Sleipnir how? They're different ships. One of them is a highly cost-effective solo-capable gank ship, the second one is a overpriced gang-only ship with a highly cap hungry active tank (and no, it's no better then the Hurricane in a passive armour tank config, unless you're only fighting Amarr ships ). Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.23 04:08:00 - [55] Originally by: Kira Novia Originally by: BiggestT The ppl who fly cs's in pvp are either noobs with too much isk... Deimos (HAC) is 2x as power as a Thorax. Astarte is more powerful than a Brutix and has a MUCH better tank. Simply put, HAC's and Command Ships are awesome to PvP with. Just because WE use them for that purpose, we're noobs? Die. Hes right. Command ships cost MUCH more than a battleship (concidered insurance and initial costs etc) and....a battleship can do it better in 99% of the cases. *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners.
Mythrell Omega Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.23 07:09:00 - [56] Edited by: Mythrell on 23/08/2008 07:11:07 When you go and compare CS to a BS, you have to remember that it has one big advantage, ability to move fast. I know we all love our passive HP buffed abaddons which turn like a brick and has about the same acceleration. CS's are nimble in comparision and thus make a lot better small roaming gang ship. On topic: [Sleipnir, Slegabond] Gyrostabilizer II Inertia Stabilizers II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Invulnerability Field II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment Polycarbon Engine Housing I Polycarbon Engine Housing I That is the pre-nerf fitting, after that you might want to reconsider polycarbs and fit a scrambler. It's not going to permatank fleet of 50, but it relies on the speed and as secondary at its tank. I've seen this setup in use many times and as long as you stay smart with it, it's good. Oh and no, it's not a solo ship. The dreaded nano nerf brings too much to the table to make any setups yet for the "nano" due to web nerf (which is a bonus) and the scrambler boost (which is a minus). I'd see where CCP finally settles with all that before going in there. For the completely out of topic discussion, no, I wounldn't cry a river if they switched field command ships to tier 2 variations after they'd fix passive shield tanks first. Tier 1 for tanking ships and Tier 2 for damage ships would make perfect sense.
FamersUsedTo BeatUs	Posted - 2008.08.25 01:10:00 - [57] Can anyone provide a fleet sleipnir setup with an active tank. I know fitting active tank in a fleet fight is asking for it, with lagg and module delay, but I would like to know if it is possible to fit 720s or 650s, XL shield booster, cap injector and be able to get away with it, without having to fit powergrid rigs.... Seeing as autocannons wont cut it in most fleet situations and I am sure you can squeeze out 40km range easy with sleipnir and tremor, but I want to try out a sleip under fleet support pvp, so is anyone flies it in fleet, I would appreciate a reply. (terrible grammar included at no extra charge)

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