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Lance60266
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Posted - 2004.06.08 13:26:00 -
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CCP could fix this in Shiva if they choose to. I can debate both sides of a jettison can being stealing or not but quite frankly it is not worth it here in this forum since both side are so deeply entrenched that neither would ever even consider the others point of view.
The solution is to remove the ability to jettison ore in space. Now before you jump to conclusions hear me out.
Create a True Industrial ship. One that has cargo cap between 7 to 15K cargo. with spots for Miners not weapons. maybe 4 miners and mining drone space. perhaps one defense turret.
Then you would combine Mining and hauling into one job which from what I have read is supposedly how CCP planned it from the beginning. Also, You then will need Fighter to cover your mining operation which gives use back to Frigates in high sec space and Noobs. and also gives use to Cruiser and Battleships in low sec space.
This also would solve the lifelong argument about people using Battleships to mine.
To me this sounds like a Very easy solutiuon, The only reason I could see not doing it is that CCP wants this kind of contraversy in the game.
Who knows TomB might have a alt character that he uses to steal ore with just to try to get people out in 0.0 where he can blast them.
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Lance60266
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Posted - 2004.06.08 14:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Galban Hunter
In Shiva ore 'taken' in this way will be flagged and thus be conisdered contraband for anyone but the owner. Thus Concord will/can blow up your ship and/or fine you ISK for doing this.
I would love to read the information on this if you can point me to a source, I have heard of "Criminal Flagging" but have not seen specific details yet.
I would however still maintain that creating a system that removes the need to dump ore in space would be a total answer for ore thieves, Then if they want ore they would have to pirate a ship and face consequences rather than steal and run like scavengers.
Maybe even a system that allows ore to be transfered Directly from one cargo hold to another would be useful.
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Lance60266
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Posted - 2004.06.08 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Lance60266
Maybe even a system that allows ore to be transfered Directly from one cargo hold to another would be useful.
I once debated posting a "mod item" in the ideas forum. Essentially it would require two parts to function.
On the miner it would be a med slot item, or high even, called "laser redirector" which would allow the miner to "redirect" the ore laser beam to an industrial.
On the industrial it would be be "laser reciever", or some such name. This would allow the "redirected" beams to deposit the ore in the cargo hold of the truck. Make it something with atrocious power requirements. (Would force the use of rcu's to limit cargo hold and also disallow burners.)
I would see it working maybe in the same mannor as the shield transfer devices, I like the idea of it being a medium slot for the indy and the miner.
OK CCP, we have solved the issue, could you please implement it soon. (tm)
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Lance60266
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Posted - 2004.06.08 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Helplessandlost
Why not make a safe spot, jet a can and run back and forth from belt to can? Better yet put a coule of Giant Can's in safe spot in <=.7 that way an indy can pick them up there without being worried about being shot at. in =>.8 safe spot jet can would be safe from all but those that have bm. Take a little longer but your ore would be "safe"
I am not really advocating that mining be "Safe"
What I am saying is that a system must be created to allow people to deal with ore thieves.
Ore Thieves are able to exist cause miners need to jettison ore into space for pickup by haulers in order to mine efficiently. Huge ammounts of ore are needed to maintain weapons, ammo, and ship building that makes the game fun.
So what does this all mean.
1. Create a method for miners that will allow them to mine in the quantity they can mine in now or close to it.
2. Create a method that allows people who choose a career path as a thief while allowing the miners to protect what they are doing. Even the most diehard pirate would surely agree going up to a can and stealing ore with almost no risk or danger is even below being a carebear.
There has to be ballance or the game is no fun for anyone.
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