EVE Search - ECM counters

All Channels

Ships and Modules

ECM counters

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page
Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.08.22 14:13:00 - [1] Edited by: Omarvelous on 22/08/2008 14:15:34 I'm amazed at reading ecm nerf whine threads at how shallow people's gangs are for pvp. People just want hard hitting EFT gank n' tank ships. So when a counter to that philosophy comes out (ECM) you complain your gank-BS got knocked out for more than half the fight by a hostile ECM pilot. First of all as someone who uses ECM and has ECM used against himself - ECCM is really a great counter to ECM. People say its not useful outside of ecm so why fit it - yet you complain of being ECMed all the time. If ECM is enough of a problem then fit the ECCM module - I'm seeing more of my opponents using them (ESPECIALLY RR gangs) and it really kills the effectiveness of an ecm pilot (who will typically have 1 of each racial plus a backup multispec). If your mid slots are all used up - spare a low slot for a low-slot eccm - even if you lose a damage mod - the trade off in not being jammed far greatly affects your effective dps in a fight. Another fantastic counter to ecm are long range ships. Used to be that no-one would fly them because they had lower dps and no tackle. Now however gangs are larger and support is more common (a good thing - pure gank and tank squads are 1-dimensional and boring). Snipers (every race has a long range ship option) can be a serious threat to ecm pilots. No one like stealth bombers - yet they are one of the MOST effective anti-ecm ship in the game. Almost BS-like signal strength in a frigate that can fire at long ranges, and hit with a hard alpha. Falcons have meaningless damage output, and will be forced off the combat grid when an ECCM stealth bomber starts firing on them. Put some diversity in your gang. You don't have to be top-damage dealer on every killmail. On my guys' voice comms, the highest praise (or hate ) usually goes to the support/anti-support pilot that turned the tide for the fight. The more you nerf and water down this game - the more it would drift towards blobs of gank and tank ships - very 1 dimensional and very boring. ECM along with nano (which I never flew but respected the playstyle) allowed people to harass and engage larger numbers. When I started playing over a year ago - if you weren't flying a high dps short range boat with NOS as your support - you were toast. Now with ECM - part of your gang has to include anti-support ships, like snipers, stealth bombers, and their own ECM. Just my 2-cents really, I'm welcome to discussion on this topic. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
loot venda	Posted - 2008.08.22 14:20:00 - [2] Oi, you are making sense. This is not an appropriate venue. gtfo
Khamal Jolstien Caldari The Monkey Sanctuary	Posted - 2008.08.22 14:31:00 - [3] Originally by: Omarvelous Edited by: Omarvelous on 22/08/2008 14:15:58 I No one like stealth bombers - yet they are one of the MOST effective anti-ecm ship in the game. Almost BS-like signal strength in a frigate that can fire at long ranges, and hit with a hard alpha. Falcons have meaningless damage output, and will be forced off the combat grid when an ECCM stealth bomber starts firing on them. Quoted for truth. I completely discounted bombers until one almost killed my Falcon. Only reason I lived was I was already leaving on my own accord and entering warp.
Asuka SoryuLangley	Posted - 2008.08.22 14:32:00 - [4] Originally by: Omarvelous ECCM is really a great counter to ECM They are on paper maybe, but try them for real before opening your mouth to give it fresh air.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.08.22 14:33:00 - [5] What? You mean I can't just assemble a one-dimensional blob of identi-fitted close-range ships and win automatically? I have to use my brain to assemble a gang of complementary ships? Aaargh! Brain melts
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild	Posted - 2008.08.22 15:07:00 - [6] Originally by: Omarvelous stealth bombers ... BS-like signal strength in a frigate that can fire at long ranges, and hit with a hard alpha. Um wow. I never noticed that Stealth Bombers had such high sensor strengths. That is very interesting.... Caldari missile ships in general make decent ECM ship counters because they tend to have long ranges and the highest sensor strengths of their class. I've always thought that an ECCM-fited Cerberus is the ultimate anti-ECM ship: it's got the range, firepower, sensor integrity (/w an ECCM or two) and tank to engage an ECM ship at just about any range. Sure you'll never kill it because it can just warp off, but even forcing an ECM ship off of the field is a huge victory to your side. As for the rest of your post, I totally agree. ECM has counters but nobody likes to use them because they require thinking beyond yourself and your own DPS and tank. As far as I'm concerned if I'm in a gang flying a ship that is likely to be primaried, I fit an ECCM module consider it to be a damage module; it doesn't add any DPS, but it helps prevent it from being dropped to zero. I find it amusing that so many people complain about solo PvP being dead, yet choose their ships and the fits for those ships as if they're solo PvPing when flying in a gang. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Crazy Tasty Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.08.22 15:18:00 - [7] Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley Originally by: Omarvelous ECCM is really a great counter to ECM They are on paper maybe, but try them for real before opening your mouth to give it fresh air. Actually they do work fairly well, this coming from someone that has been in a Falcon extensively for almost 2 years. The remote ECCM mods work even better as they have a base 15 or 20% higher modifier. However ECM is all chance based and I've seen a carrier with close to 1000 sensor strength get jammed. ECM ships normally are at range, or they are primary and dead. The most effective tactic I've found, both used against me and against other ECM ships, is fast small ships. Because A) even if you are 150k out they can be on you quickly B) If you jam them you are wasting cycles instead of jamming what really needs to be jammed for your fleet and C) if you don;t jam them they either chew you up or are a warp in for bigger ships. An ECCM'd nano Curse is almost perfect for anti-falcon role atm (speed nerf might change that), with ECCM you are looking at over 40 sensor strength plus once the ship is inside of 30k or so the falcon has 1 shot to jam and warp out or its cap is gone, plus it has the speed to run down the ship even 150k out. Of course there are a plethora of other way to deal with ECM ships. ------ // This is by design. When a ship jumps through a gate, it clears all aggression. // - BH ******** Pew on gate, if it gets hot, jump through and Ctrl-Q. Game mechanic endorsed by CCP.
Cactus Mack	Posted - 2008.08.22 15:52:00 - [8] Maybe this "how to" guide will help those that haven't been able to think beyond tank and gank configurations. See how some of those "useless" long range ships have an anti-support role to play? Even the "noobiest" members of a fleet can make life for an Falcon pilot miserable by putting them in T1/mwd frigs. Falcon pilot will have to save his ship by jamming them or warping out. Either way, he's no longer jamming the main gang.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.08.22 17:09:00 - [9] BEST ECM COUNTER: FALCON. If you claim anything else you're a re.tard or a complete n00b. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.22 17:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer BEST ECM COUNTER: FALCON. If you claim anything else you're a re.tard or a complete n00b. yep for those who have no brain,like Lyria
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild	Posted - 2008.08.22 17:14:00 - [11] Originally by: Naomi Knight Originally by: Lyria Skydancer BEST ECM COUNTER: FALCON. If you claim anything else you're a re.tard or a complete n00b. yep for those who have no brain,like Lyria No she's probably right, but ECM is not the only viable counter to ECM. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.08.22 17:15:00 - [12] Originally by: Naomi Knight yep for those who have no brain,like Lyria How about you come put your money where your mouth is. Me in a BS/CS and my falcon alt vs you in a BS/CS and your anti ecm ship of choice. How about that? Thought so.. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.22 17:17:00 - [13] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Naomi Knight yep for those who have no brain,like Lyria How about you come put your money where your mouth is. Me in a BS/CS and my falcon alt vs you in a BS/CS and your anti ecm ship of choice. How about that? Thought so.. anytime :) my anti ecm titan would wipe your falcon out within a second then pwn your bs too.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.08.22 17:17:00 - [14] Originally by: Naomi Knight Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Naomi Knight yep for those who have no brain,like Lyria How about you come put your money where your mouth is. Me in a BS/CS and my falcon alt vs you in a BS/CS and your anti ecm ship of choice. How about that? Thought so.. anytime :) my anti ecm titan would wipe your falcon out within a second then pwn your bs too. I think I made my point. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
Tiger Prince	Posted - 2008.08.22 17:20:00 - [15] I have made more than 1 falcon warp out with my hound. cruise missles hurt when there is little to no dmg reduction due to size of the ship. I haven't thought about running an ECCM as well, but I might think about it now
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.22 17:22:00 - [16] Lyria : pls watch the southpark episode with that "little people" ^^ Yeah you made your point , absolutly. You said i can bring any ship why wouldnt i bring the best ?:O
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.22 17:24:00 - [17] Originally by: Tiger Prince I have made more than 1 falcon warp out with my hound. cruise missles hurt when there is little to no dmg reduction due to size of the ship. I haven't thought about running an ECCM as well, but I might think about it now Actually falcons are so OP they can easily jamm your ship even before you buy it. Now try to counter that.
Cactus Mack	Posted - 2008.08.22 17:31:00 - [18] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer BEST ECM COUNTER: FALCON. If you claim anything else you're a re.tard or a complete n00b. A) What wrong with that? B) It's actually not the best as trying to counter-jam an eccm fitted Falcon is quite difficult. You would probably have better luck trying to kill it with the appropriate anti-support ships.
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.22 17:37:00 - [19] Originally by: Cactus Mack Originally by: Lyria Skydancer BEST ECM COUNTER: FALCON. If you claim anything else you're a re.tard or a complete n00b. A) What wrong with that? B) It's actually not the best as trying to counter-jam an eccm fitted Falcon is quite difficult. You would probably have better luck trying to kill it with the appropriate anti-support ships. It has to be the best ,because falcon needs a nerf, so there should be a reason why ccp would nerf them, right?
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.08.22 19:18:00 - [20] Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley Originally by: Omarvelous ECCM is really a great counter to ECM They are on paper maybe, but try them for real before opening your mouth to give it fresh air. LOL - you're funny. I actually never undock a pvp battleship without an ECCM mod. I even put them on my ECM ships like Scorpions, and Rooks. They're chanced based - but over time you will see a trend that helps you avoid the effects of ECM very effectively. Originally by: Lyria Skydancer BEST ECM COUNTER: FALCON. If you claim anything else you're a re.tard or a complete n00b. Its a counter - but no means the best. Falcons are tough to jam (not as tough as a rook which is why I like them along with some other reasons). Like I said, I fit ECCM on my ECM ships, and it greatly reduces the effect of this counter quite well. Snipers and stealth bombers are a more reliable way to dispatch an ECM ship. Its nice keeping my ECM pilot jamming up my enemy's gank and tank ships, followed by hearing their sweet sweet whines because they couldnt be bothered to fit a more diverse and rounded out gang. Go ahead guys - step out of that tired gankageddon, that sleepy torp raven, that-primary magnet of a Megathron, see what its like to snipe that pesky falcon in your Apoc, your Eagle, your eccm stealth bomber with a sensor strength of a carrier, or to let lose your drones from your ishtar, your curse, etc. Gank n' tank was soooo 2006 - anti-support is the new FOTM hop on the bandwagon and diversify your gangs! __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.08.22 19:27:00 - [21] Originally by: Omarvelous Its a counter - but no means the best. Falcons are tough to jam (not as tough as a rook which is why I like them along with some other reasons). Like I said, I fit ECCM on my ECM ships, and it greatly reduces the effect of this counter quite well. Snipers and stealth bombers are a more reliable way to dispatch an ECM ship. Its nice keeping my ECM pilot jamming up my enemy's gank and tank ships, followed by hearing their sweet sweet whines because they couldnt be bothered to fit a more diverse and rounded out gang. Go ahead guys - step out of that tired gankageddon, that sleepy torp raven, that-primary magnet of a Megathron, see what its like to snipe that pesky falcon in your Apoc, your Eagle, your eccm stealth bomber with a sensor strength of a carrier, or to let lose your drones from your ishtar, your curse, etc. Gank n' tank was soooo 2006 - anti-support is the new FOTM hop on the bandwagon and diversify your gangs! You're talking about noob falcons. I'd like you to counter my alt falcon that can jam from 240km with ease. At those ranges you can dream on countering a multi bookmarked falcon with anything but another falcon with long range ecm. Forget snipers, forget SBs (roflmao) and forget burning for it. A pro falcon will crap all over your day/op/fun unless you have a falcon to counter it. True story. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
Ambien Torca	Posted - 2008.08.22 19:36:00 - [22] Edited by: Ambien Torca on 22/08/2008 19:39:04 Edited by: Ambien Torca on 22/08/2008 19:38:35 From sniper ships only fits that hit well at 250km are good (apoc and rokh), and these are fairly inefficient in close range fighting especially in lowsec at gategun range so you are weakening your gang if you bring em and face bunch of RR BS on the gate. Nanoships are ok but again in lowsec they might not be able to participate in the fight due to gateguns so these will end up ineffective in brawl where there is no falcon to chase after. Personally I¦ve caught a falcon 3 times in different fights with rapier and every time I was jammed and falcon got away. ECCM eases the pain somewhat but I always get the feeling it doesn¦t do enough for a module that is only about countering jamming.
Malcanis We are Legend eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.22 19:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer BEST ECM COUNTER: FALCON. If you claim anything else you're a re.tard or a complete n00b. Falcons are a pain in the ass to jam. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.08.22 19:53:00 - [24] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Lyria Skydancer BEST ECM COUNTER: FALCON. If you claim anything else you're a re.tard or a complete n00b. Falcons are a pain in the ass to jam. So what is a better counter to a falcon if it isnt one with 4 racial jammers + eccm + SB? I'd like to hear a better falcon counter. To counter a non noob falcon with 240km range and bookmarks. I'm all ears. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.22 20:01:00 - [25] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer So what is a better counter to a falcon if it isnt one with 4 racial jammers + eccm + SB? I'd like to hear a better falcon counter. To counter a non noob falcon with 240km range and bookmarks. I'm all ears. So what I want to know is what the counter to tracking disruptors is. :) -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.08.22 20:16:00 - [26] I'd like to know how long it took Lyria to create tactical bookmarks around every station, gate, planet, moon, star and safespot in Eve.
Wannabehero Caldari Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2008.08.22 20:17:00 - [27] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer So what is a better counter to a falcon if it isnt one with 4 racial jammers + eccm + SB? I'd like to hear a better falcon counter. To counter a non noob falcon with 240km range and bookmarks. I'm all ears. More ECCM -- Don't harsh my mellow
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.22 20:22:00 - [28] Originally by: Wannabehero Originally by: Lyria Skydancer So what is a better counter to a falcon if it isnt one with 4 racial jammers + eccm + SB? I'd like to hear a better falcon counter. To counter a non noob falcon with 240km range and bookmarks. I'm all ears. More ECCM The funny thing about that is it really only takes one unjammed sniper BS to really lay the pain on people. For example, an unjammed sniper poc can wtfpwn Falcons so badly that they can't stay on the field. -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Kulmid The Elear FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.08.22 20:38:00 - [29] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Lyria Skydancer BEST ECM COUNTER: FALCON. If you claim anything else you're a re.tard or a complete n00b. Falcons are a pain in the ass to jam. So what is a better counter to a falcon if it isnt one with 4 racial jammers + eccm + SB? I'd like to hear a better falcon counter. To counter a non noob falcon with 240km range and bookmarks. I'm all ears. tachyon apoc?
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.08.22 20:41:00 - [30] Jesus Christ, the nano nerf hasn't even gone live yet and you're already starting the ECM whines... Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.

Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.