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Veldya Caldari Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.08.25 04:34:00 - [241] Originally by: DHB WildCat Simple truth Tri will beat almost everyone with even odds. So how do you make sure this doesnt happen? By bringing more people in. It should come to no surprise that the NC is going to bring outrageous numbers to fight a few. Unfortunately the game is not ready or capable of handling this type of fighting style. Most of the time I would say give me 80 competant pilots over 400 chumps. However as I said already the game itself cannot handle that fight. The system will lag, and no amount of skill can overcome mechanics and lack of hamsters. That is why I like fighting in smaller numbers, it shows how 5 skilled players can destroy 40-50-60 even with no threat. I am saddened to see the NC resort to this style of play, but both sides want to ensure victory, for whatever reason and both will do so the best they can. One will bring their most skilled pilots and one will bring as many as they can get a hold of. WildCat Unfortunately, size matters. ;) In WW2 Germany had soldier for soldier the best military but they were worn down by numbers. Taking the RL politics out of it, small time PvP corps are much the same beast, they are well drilled, well equipped and have very good experience but politics is as important as your military capability. Hydra is no much for Tri person for person in a military sense but there is no such thing as a fair fight in a war. EVE isn't about gladiatorial combat, they have those events from time to time but it has no bearing on the game. I just don't understand the insanity of taking on an entity that you KNOW blob and then whine about blobbing. It is not like they are chasing you down and you complain because you can't compete, you look for the fights. You know the NC player for player doesn't have the same kind of skilled pilots because they do not pirate so don't have the same amount of smalls scale combat experience so they will use their size to their advantage and play the meta game of forcing you out of the style of fighting you prefer. I just don't see the point of taking them on and complaining about it. There are a lot of good merc and pirate corps that would bring smaller numbers of highly skilled small scale combat pilots to the fight but Tri doesn't target those corps so I have no sympathy at all for Tri.
Eudoric Delmar coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.25 05:31:00 - [242] Edited by: Eudoric Delmar on 25/08/2008 05:35:39 Originally by: Veldya Unfortunately, size matters. ;) In WW2 Germany had soldier for soldier the best military but they were worn down by numbers. Taking the RL politics out of it, small time PvP corps are much the same beast, they are well drilled, well equipped and have very good experience but politics is as important as your military capability. Hydra is no much for Tri person for person in a military sense but there is no such thing as a fair fight in a war. EVE isn't about gladiatorial combat, they have those events from time to time but it has no bearing on the game. I just don't understand the insanity of taking on an entity that you KNOW blob and then whine about blobbing. It is not like they are chasing you down and you complain because you can't compete, you look for the fights. You know the NC player for player doesn't have the same kind of skilled pilots because they do not pirate so don't have the same amount of smalls scale combat experience so they will use their size to their advantage and play the meta game of forcing you out of the style of fighting you prefer. I just don't see the point of taking them on and complaining about it. There are a lot of good merc and pirate corps that would bring smaller numbers of highly skilled small scale combat pilots to the fight but Tri doesn't target those corps so I have no sympathy at all for Tri. I think you are missing the point. Tri has always stated the Blob will come and welcomed it, hell even the post you are quoting states it wasn't a surprise. It's the node crashing/massive lag monster blobs that Tri is complaining about. That tactic may "win" the war but everyone loses because no one is able to play the game. Edit /smack on Post with your main and not your 1 man alt corp or STFU /smack off Never click on my links in local! Sith's cook book?
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.08.25 05:52:00 - [243] Originally by: Darknesss Originally by: DaiTengu Didn't we kill Tri once already? The only thing Goons have killed is CAOD WAT? I tought I did that! "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Veldya Caldari Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.08.25 06:40:00 - [244] Edited by: Veldya on 25/08/2008 06:42:34 Originally by: Eudoric Delmar I think you are missing the point. Tri has always stated the Blob will come and welcomed it, hell even the post you are quoting states it wasn't a surprise. It's the node crashing/massive lag monster blobs that Tri is complaining about. That tactic may "win" the war but everyone loses because no one is able to play the game. I don't think anyone likes the server issues, EVE really handles mass combat very poorly and is not designed well to pull it off. Poor server conditions does not allow NC to adequately take advantage of their numerical superiority. I am sure they would love nothing more than a lag free server. While the post I quoted wasn't whining about the NC and numbers, in general the Tri forum warriors do nothing but whine about it. I just wanted to raise that point and it was one of the rare Tri posts that wasn't a flat out whine about numbers, lag and napfests. Quote: /smack on Post with your main and not your 1 man alt corp or STFU Twisted Evil /smack off I have 20 characters in about 10 different corps, which one should I post with? ;)
Malcanis We are Legend eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.25 06:56:00 - [245] Originally by: Veldya Edited by: Veldya on 25/08/2008 06:42:34 Originally by: Eudoric Delmar I think you are missing the point. Tri has always stated the Blob will come and welcomed it, hell even the post you are quoting states it wasn't a surprise. It's the node crashing/massive lag monster blobs that Tri is complaining about. That tactic may "win" the war but everyone loses because no one is able to play the game. I don't think anyone likes the server issues, EVE really handles mass combat very poorly and is not designed well to pull it off. Poor server conditions does not allow NC to adequately take advantage of their numerical superiority. I am sure they would love nothing more than a lag free server. While the post I quoted wasn't whining about the NC and numbers, in general the Tri forum warriors do nothing but whine about it. I just wanted to raise that point and it was one of the rare Tri posts that wasn't a flat out whine about numbers, lag and napfests. Quote: /smack on Post with your main and not your 1 man alt corp or STFU Twisted Evil /smack off I have 20 characters in about 10 different corps, which one should I post with? ;) The point is that gamebreaking server lag isn't an unfortunate side-effect of the NC strategy: it's the primary focus of the NC strategy. They deliberately bring that many because it breaks the server. Tri have proved time and again that they're willing to engage superior numbers, but doing that requires that the server be responsive enough to allow pilot and player skill to matter. NC FCs have shown time and again that even 2:1 superiority isn't enough for them to engage unless they also have lag. The critical point seems to be around 2.5-3:1 - with more than 3:1, they'll engage. With less, there's a chance. Below 2.5:1 they'll usually withdraw. The disappointment with KIA is that they should choose to align with such people. The kind of people who watch 300 and say "I would totally join in on the Persian side!" CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Una D Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace	Posted - 2008.08.25 07:41:00 - [246] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Veldya Edited by: Veldya on 25/08/2008 06:42:34 Originally by: Eudoric Delmar I think you are missing the point. Tri has always stated the Blob will come and welcomed it, hell even the post you are quoting states it wasn't a surprise. It's the node crashing/massive lag monster blobs that Tri is complaining about. That tactic may "win" the war but everyone loses because no one is able to play the game. I don't think anyone likes the server issues, EVE really handles mass combat very poorly and is not designed well to pull it off. Poor server conditions does not allow NC to adequately take advantage of their numerical superiority. I am sure they would love nothing more than a lag free server. While the post I quoted wasn't whining about the NC and numbers, in general the Tri forum warriors do nothing but whine about it. I just wanted to raise that point and it was one of the rare Tri posts that wasn't a flat out whine about numbers, lag and napfests. Quote: /smack on Post with your main and not your 1 man alt corp or STFU Twisted Evil /smack off I have 20 characters in about 10 different corps, which one should I post with? ;) The point is that gamebreaking server lag isn't an unfortunate side-effect of the NC strategy: it's the primary focus of the NC strategy. They deliberately bring that many because it breaks the server. Tri have proved time and again that they're willing to engage superior numbers, but doing that requires that the server be responsive enough to allow pilot and player skill to matter. NC FCs have shown time and again that even 2:1 superiority isn't enough for them to engage unless they also have lag. The critical point seems to be around 2.5-3:1 - with more than 3:1, they'll engage. With less, there's a chance. Below 2.5:1 they'll usually withdraw. The disappointment with KIA is that they should choose to align with such people. The kind of people who watch 300 and say "I would totally join in on the Persian side!" Once again. It was quite well known how NC fights before you attacked it's weakest member (already that is kinda lame as everyone and their mother knows that tri is far better than hydra). If you don't want lag attack someone who is good enough that they don't need server breaking numbers to fight you. But I guess it's harder to pad stats against that kind of oponent.
Helen coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.25 07:49:00 - [247] Originally by: Una D Once again. It was quite well known how NC fights before you attacked it's weakest member (already that is kinda lame as everyone and their mother knows that tri is far better than hydra). If you don't want lag attack someone who is good enough that they don't need server breaking numbers to fight you. But I guess it's harder to pad stats against that kind of oponent. Who then? Nearly every space holding alliance has some pact with others to defend space, and lots of them won't fight unless you make a move on their space which then brings the blob. Give me a list of alliances and we'll work through them shall we? End of the day we took out Hydra because they were weak and close to empire and provided the space to get fights we knew the blob would come but we didn't expect them to hang about as we've already broken sov 4 so they are arriving late. All the while the GBC is in Deklein killing off IRON....
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.08.25 07:54:00 - [248] Today VFK, tomorrow (or soon-ish) BKG! Wonder when the NC will pull their head out of their rear ends and stop playing with TRI? Probably when it is too late. Ho ho ho. ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Helen coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.25 07:57:00 - [249] Originally by: KIAEddZ Originally by: Helen You'll probably evade this question but do you think if TRI comes for KIA/Daisho you can stop us by yourselves? Guess we will see Helen, you come without BoBs caps as backup, and your caps are already dead, we both know that. The residents of Geminate arent just Daisho and KIA, and when you need to got work on KIAs Sov3 systems, we'll all enjoy showing how they should be defended. NC will be reset neut once you have left Hydra space, and vice versa, their is no illusions here. We arent here for a Blue Blue love triangle, we are here to make sure that our space holding neighbours remain as they are. KIA Daisho and of course the other Geminate residents aren't Hydra, your leadership maybe getting your troops all wound up about KIA and promising "they will get theirs" in an attempt to deflect "yet another failure from Tri" when Hydras space is returned inevitably to its prevoious owners, but the reality of taking our space with 100 men, and 40 caps is a lot harder than maybe you give credit. Either way if geminate is your next stop, I am sure the residents are already wetting their lips. Who said we want your space? Maybe UDIE will just farm you for abit instead.
Hulubu D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.25 08:00:00 - [250] ok ok simple putting it for all the tards: EVE = JUNGLE BOB = LION TRI = GHEPARD NC = GASSELES THAT HAVE SAFETY IN NUMBERS HYDRA = THE WEAK GASSELE A predator always feeds on the weak 1st. oh oh and KIA, is a buffalo thats c4strated " HONOR IS WEAK " Si vis pacem para bellum
Avitar D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.25 08:14:00 - [251] Edited by: Avitar on 25/08/2008 08:14:48 Originally by: Hulubu ok ok simple putting it for all the tards: EVE = JUNGLE BOB = LION TRI = SHEPHARD NC = GAZELLE THAT HAVE SAFETY IN NUMBERS HYDRA = THE WEAK GAZELLE A predator always feeds on the weak 1st. oh oh and KIA, is a buffalo thats c4strated Fixed it for you Oh, And NC, Good fight
Enkidu Uruksen Wakizashi Renaissance	Posted - 2008.08.25 08:14:00 - [252] Originally by: Aaron Mirrorsaver if you didn't want tri in vale in hydra space, why did you wait so long to come to hydra aid? kiaezd? He didn't say he wanted to help Hydra keep Hydra space. He said he didn't want to have Tri keep Hydra space.
Hurricane Carter Flight of the Phoenix	Posted - 2008.08.25 08:18:00 - [253] ya know for 2 "elite PVP alliances", 1 being Merc (KIA) 1 being "Balls to The wall PVP" (Triumvirate) you 2 sure do talk a lot on COAD. How about you just leave COAD to the Goons and BoB and I don't know.... Test who's the best without playing forum warriors? I mean.... KIA did good in the alliance tourney, so did Tri. Perhaps get someone to fraps it and BLAMMO instant fun for all! Anyways, I respect both KIA & Tri for what both have done but really this forum-warrior is beginning to just become plain stupid
Ackaroth D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.25 08:23:00 - [254] Edited by: Ackaroth on 25/08/2008 08:25:28 Edited by: Ackaroth on 25/08/2008 08:24:45 Originally by: Hurricane Carter Anyways, I respect both KIA & Tri for what both have done but really this forum-warrior is beginning to just become plain stupid Believe it or not, alot of people enjoy the terrible soap opera that is CAOD. And alot of people post from work, so at any given time, people from every alliance can be commenting or smacking away on CAOD. Some have CAOD bans, some dont speak english well, some just see themselves as above it, but just about every spaceholding alliance posts on here once in a while, some more than others. TRI are caod ***s, just accept it. MM used to be really silent and modest on CAOD but then after trisurge they seemed to have changed that. RZR is well, they have always been sorta smacky, but it was more fun back in TRI 1.0, before any real conflicts. And of course, TRI, like goons, or bob, or anyone else, smacks and forum warriors on CAOD. Just like you guys all expect us to suck up the lag because everyone knows it exists, I say suck up our forum whoring, its to be expected. Enjoi :) Originally by:** Hulubu ok ok simple putting it for all the tards: EVE = JUNGLE BOB = LION TRI = LEOPARD NC = GAZELLES THAT HAVE SAFETY IN NUMBERS HYDRA = THE WEAK GAZELLE A predator always feeds on the weak 1st. Assuming he mean leopard, and I always considered us more cheetah in this scenario... we are nano***s afterall. __________________________________________ -"This band I'm listening to is sooo underground, they released their first album as 60 minutes of silence." -"As an mp3?" -"As a word document..."
Viper ShizzIe The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.25 08:37:00 - [255] Originally by: DHB WildCat Simple truth Tri will beat almost everyone with even odds. WildCat Yeah, actually that's probably accurate.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.25 08:47:00 - [256] Originally by: boo3916 nicely said as always. and hiya long time no see hope you remember me from the old days in pureblind and lonetrek, i certainly remember you as a good guy who taught me a lot lot changed since then, YNC my corp, doom and exanimo formed tri he he, i merged YNC with doom after a few months cos being a ceo sux Ofc I remeber you! Good old times. Anyway make KIA pick some soap!
Needa3 Minmatar BURN EDEN Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.25 08:49:00 - [257] i still wonder refusing 20 Bill isk to fight... cause it's too dangereous showing up less than a day later in the same area you're supposed to be according the refused contract ..... hmmmmm either somebody is lieing or somebody filled his pockets without telling the rest of his alliance or you're more stupid than i thought. executing the contract without getting paid, yeah right so Edzzzzz, how deep are your pockets and how much have they already dumped into them? i'm sure it must be close to 60 bil if you need a new titan
Avitar D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.25 08:56:00 - [258] Originally by: Ackaroth Edited by: Ackaroth on 25/08/2008 Originally by: Hulubu ok ok simple putting it for all the tards: EVE = JUNGLE BOB = LION TRI = LEOPARD NC = GAZELLES THAT HAVE SAFETY IN NUMBERS HYDRA = THE WEAK GAZELLE A predator always feeds on the weak 1st. Assuming he mean leopard, and I always considered us more cheetah in this scenario... we are nano*s afterall. Ah, yes, You may be right . However, I would compare myself to a sweet little kitten, All cute and fluffy looking, I'll take a little nap on your lap, Then BANG, A wet runny ** slowly runs down your leg staining the nice new white sofa you bought your wife And I'm still purring. GF NC
halp me THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2008.08.25 09:11:00 - [259] Originally by: Needa3 i still wonder refusing 20 Bill isk to fight... cause it's too dangereous showing up less than a day later in the same area you're supposed to be according the refused contract ..... hmmmmm either somebody is lieing or somebody filled his pockets without telling the rest of his alliance or you're more stupid than i thought. executing the contract without getting paid, yeah right so Edzzzzz, how deep are your pockets and how much have they already dumped into them? i'm sure it must be close to 60 bil if you need a new titan if they got paid to fight you guys with non caps for 20 bil someone got ripped off hard.
Loppan Red Monkey Faction	Posted - 2008.08.25 09:32:00 - [260] First ppl don`t read they just post. I quess this is normal here. rules of gravitation don`t seem to aply. Second, What happend last time tri had space and do KIA want that next doore? Don`t you kill the dragon while it`s small. Ppl aint afraid of tri it`s more what they can become given time and space.
Azermy	Posted - 2008.08.25 09:37:00 - [261] Originally by: Loppan it`s more what they can become given time and space. Thats true about almost any alliance is it not? Given enough time and space even the noobiest of alliances will build up massive isk reserves and capital fleets. But ye I get your point. I still remember a KM from way way back (a year or so almost) of Tri i think it was fielding like 12 motherships and a bunch of "normal" capitals... Made my jaw drop tbh
Hurricane Carter Flight of the Phoenix	Posted - 2008.08.25 09:37:00 - [262] Originally by: Loppan it`s more what they can become given time and space. Thats true about almost any alliance is it not? Given enough time and space even the noobiest of alliances will build up massive isk reserves and capital fleets. But ye I get your point. I still remember a KM from way way back (a year or so almost) of Tri i think it was fielding like 12 motherships and a bunch of "normal" capitals... Made my jaw drop tbh EDIT: Durrrrrr Azermy's my Jita alt :)
Malcanis We are Legend eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.25 10:28:00 - [263] Originally by: Una D The point is that gamebreaking server lag isn't an unfortunate side-effect of the NC strategy: it's the primary focus of the NC strategy. They deliberately bring that many because it breaks the server. Tri have proved time and again that they're willing to engage superior numbers, but doing that requires that the server be responsive enough to allow pilot and player skill to matter. NC FCs have shown time and again that even 2:1 superiority isn't enough for them to engage unless they also have lag. The critical point seems to be around 2.5-3:1 - with more than 3:1, they'll engage. With less, there's a chance. Below 2.5:1 they'll usually withdraw. The disappointment with KIA is that they should choose to align with such people. The kind of people who watch 300 and say "I would totally join in on the Persian side!" Once again. It was quite well known how NC fights before you attacked it's weakest member (already that is kinda lame as everyone and their mother knows that tri is far better than hydra). If you don't want lag attack someone who is good enough that they don't need server breaking numbers to fight you. But I guess it's harder to pad stats against that kind of oponent. Thus the choice to attack one of them while the main naplander blob is fighting on another front. They can't bring game-breaking blobs to both fronts simultaneously. They have the numbers to fight both bob and tri with about a 1.5-2:1 advantage, but not enough to do that and lagsploit their way through a fight. And one reason to fight them is try to discredit the idea that such strategies must inevitably prevail. If they come to realise that breaking the server is not an I-win button, then they'll maybe try other stuff. Like, you know, attacking when they only have an 80% numerical advantage. Crazy off-the-wall stuff like that. Maybe the attempt will succeed, maybe it won't. It's as good a reason to fight as any. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
gamarus D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.25 10:55:00 - [264] Originally by: Ackaroth [ Originally by: Hulubu ok ok simple putting it for all the tards: EVE = JUNGLE BOB = LION TRI = LEOPARD NC = GAZELLES THAT HAVE SAFETY IN NUMBERS HYDRA = THE WEAK GAZELLE A predator always feeds on the weak 1st. Assuming he mean leopard, and I always considered us more cheetah in this scenario... we are nano***s afterall. Ghepard or Gepard is a Cheetah in some languages Question is, will the Lions or the Hyenas come and steal our kill? (and who is the Hyenas?)
LoveKebab coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.25 11:04:00 - [265] Originally by: gamarus Originally by: Ackaroth [ Originally by: Hulubu ok ok simple putting it for all the tards: EVE = JUNGLE BOB = LION TRI = LEOPARD NC = GAZELLES THAT HAVE SAFETY IN NUMBERS HYDRA = THE WEAK GAZELLE A predator always feeds on the weak 1st. Assuming he mean leopard, and I always considered us more cheetah in this scenario... we are nano***s afterall. Ghepard or Gepard is a Cheetah in some languages Question is, will the Lions or the Hyenas come and steal our kill? (and who is the Hyenas?) cc - he ment Cheetah, geez ppl - get a clue, u all know we fly nanos :P what else can it be than cheetah? :)
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.08.25 11:14:00 - [266] Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 25/08/2008 11:14:20 Here's my 5 cents in favor of TRI+friends. edit: (Though I never understood how you could stand all that POS-warfare) :P Black Hand.
Boogiez D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.25 11:25:00 - [267] Originally by: KIAEddZ Edited by: KIAEddZ on 23/08/2008 23:53:21 I have said a few times now, we have not taken a contract vs you, we in fact turned down 20 billion 10 days ago. We didnt want to commit caps with BoB about tbh, and we really didnt fancy POS warefare, in fact it would probably end up in mutiny if I had accepted. We are here simply because we dont have anything intersting to do, and given the choice we choose Hydra over Tri as neighbours, for the obvious reasons. We know you face the blob, which generally we would agree with you is fkin sucky, but given the choice of good for you or good for us, their is only one choice. Fight in CF was fun tonight, very funny benny hill stuff. No need for the smack and bs, lets just play the game and try n have some fun. Never Heard About KIA is Doing Anything for Free
taylor04 Caldari Digital assassins	Posted - 2008.08.25 11:44:00 - [268] i had a nice read there... i may be wrong.. did you reject the contract then use capps anyway at 1 point?? if im wrong ill stfu /me waits for it sy o/
TrulyKosh Gallente Solo for UNCLE	Posted - 2008.08.25 11:50:00 - [269] Originally by: Malcanis The disappointment with KIA is that they should choose to align with such people. The kind of people who watch 300 and say "I would totally join in on the Persian side!" You mean the winning side? That is not unheard of in EVE None of the "300" survived; their king beheaded, his body crucified.
Mira O'karr Minmatar eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.25 11:52:00 - [270] Originally by: Hurricane Carter ya know for 2 "elite PVP alliances", 1 being Merc (KIA) 1 being "Balls to The wall PVP" (Triumvirate) you 2 sure do talk a lot on COAD. tri posts so much because they all have high paid jobs with tons of free time to browse internet spaceship forums but corporate networks prevent them from logging into eve.. c/d ?

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