Prophecy with four Launchers on a single side...

Prophetic?

~bombardment~

Do you think the Prophecy will be in that category.

The Maller and Abbadon are already confirmed for Ships of the Line.

I hope that they don't make the missiles the stereotypically pointy cones like they showed in the preview. All the traditional aerodynamics don't apply to space, so theire no need for missiles to be sharp-nosed-pointy-cones. They can actually be a little more creative in there missile design and graphics IMHO. Think Homeworld 2. Those missiles were blunt nosed and 6 sided and looked cool in flight.

I hope that they don't make the missiles the stereotypically pointy cones like they showed in the preview. All the traditional aerodynamics don't apply to space, so theire no need for missiles to be sharp-nosed-pointy-cones. They can actually be a little more creative in there missile design and graphics IMHO. Think Homeworld 2. Those missiles were blunt nosed and 6 sided and looked cool in flight.

Do you think the Prophecy will be in that category.

The Maller and Abbadon are already confirmed for Ships of the Line.

That isn't the Prophecy. Its the Damnation.

The missiles themselves should reflect the design of the empire that manufactures it.

Aerodynamics might be needed for orbital bombardment in Dust.

I hope that they don't make the missiles the stereotypically pointy cones like they showed in the preview. All the traditional aerodynamics don't apply to space, so theire no need for missiles to be sharp-nosed-pointy-cones. They can actually be a little more creative in there missile design and graphics IMHO. Think Homeworld 2. Those missiles were blunt nosed and 6 sided and looked cool in flight.

Too bad after Drake nerf we won't see those launchers often.

Unless you PvP, then you will see new Drakes all the time.

It seems that drake will become obsolete, both in PvP and PvE. They will replace bonuses with 5% kinetic damage and 10% missile flight time per level or something equal useless,

pretty sure they will also screw CPU/PG and shield so Drake will become thin as cruiser. So it will be lesser version of Raven - slow, paper-thin but with long-range weak dps. The only real use for Drake will be for low-SP Caldari pilots who still don't know what Winmatar is.

IWith the stats they have outlined the Drake will be the best Battlecruiser for level 3 Missions which is the level it should do and be more then effective at PvP good with Range, Tank and DPS

Best BC for L3 is still and will be Hurricane by far, I'm sure you know it.
Not really, active Drakes with 4 BCU's and selectable damage will do better then fine.

LOL Drake HP without the bonus can brake 90k EHP so the answer is 9. Not that the 12 it took before will make much difference since Alpha Fleets fly with 30+ Members.
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Also, range will not be increased with this. Range on Drake is limited by Targeting range, not by missile flight time.
One Sebo or Sig Amp takes care of that.
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It will only help with HAMs which much harder to fit effectively and it still will be Close-Range (closer than ACs/Pulses) on slow, paper ship with carrier signature that hardly find room for Ewar modules/Neutralisers and can't choose drones.
On a side not, Caldari have no HAC's/frigs/BS/Capitals that worth using.

On a side not, Caldari have no HAC's/frigs/BS/Capitals that worth using.

Not really, active Drakes with 4 BCU's and selectable damage will do better then fine
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LOL Drake HP without the bonus can brake 90k EHP so the answer is 9. Not that the 12 it took before will make much difference since Alpha Fleets fly with 30+ Members

One Sebo or Sig Amp takes care of that
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Not that hard to fit and will have 30km Range or 45 with LR Ammo. As for EWAR Arty Canes, Nado's, Baddons and Maels don't fit EWAR on their fleet fits ether

Lol, the Rokh is being used as a fleet ship now and like all Rail Boats they are considering buffing it further with a DPS bonus
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Caldari Frigs are good. Merlin, Hookbill, Hawk, Manti, Harpy. Besides that HAC's, Cruisers, Frigates and all low tier ships are being buffed as well in the same expansion that will balance the Drake with the other BC's

Since 90% of the Caldari Line Up is being rebalanced saying that the Drake will now be effectively a normal BC is not a bad thing

cerb is fine, hawk and harpy are fine, scorpion is fine unless you think ECM is wrong and bad, chimera is mostly fine.

chimera is mostly fine.

The changes are as follows so far. 5% RoF, 10% Missile Velocity.

There's 2 things I don't like... the old fashioned smoke trails, and the size of the missiles. Regarding the smoke, really, would anyone in the EVE universe, at the scale of EVE combat, still be using chemical propellants? I doubt it. I want to see plasma and ion trails, pls.

Regarding the size, given the volume of fire in a given battle, I'd always assumed missiles were unusually small, low cost delivery hulks for high tech warheads. You've got to fit 1000's of them in a cargohold after all. On the whole though, I like the new effects. Those things just stick out as not fitting the EVE universe properly.

Might I ask where you got that info from? Are there other changes for specific ships already announced?

No, it's not, but mostly due to crippling CPU requirements of capital shield transfers and boosters. Really now, 4 times CPU requirements of armor analogs is outrageous

Cerb will be fine when it will be used as often as Zealot/Vaga. Same goes with Chimera and Nyx/Archon. Scorpion is a niche and not for everyone, still it could have better tank.

HOWEVER this comparison concerns me:

Amarr ships have a GREAT armor tank with adequate weapon systems.
Minmatar have good DPS and fast ships that can transverse against the low tracking of Amarr weaponry.
Gallente have good DPS at close range (and with the nullbuff that's not so close anymore). Good speed. Good agility, and a bonus to armor repair that is very highly effective!
Caldari have.......

Pathetic DPS. Delayed DPS. Their only racial counter is range. Which places the Caldari once again into blob warfare tactics where they must be supported by other players in other ships in order to be effective.

Might I ask where you got that info from? Are there other changes for specific ships already announced?

Which places the Caldari once again into blob warfare tactics where they must be supported by other players in other ships in order to be effective.

Dropping the 5% shield resistance bonus now makes this tactic necessary for PVE.

Lets look at New Drake.

[Drake, New]
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x5



This fit using the new stats gets 69,933 EHP does DPS out to 570 DPS 30km 465 out to 45km with selectable Damage. Oh and before you mention delay, it's delay at maximum range is six seconds.

So with about as much EHP and more Missile DPS then a Focus Pulse Lasers do on a Harbinger with MF and more tank then can be fit with Heavy Pulse, while being faster and more agile with the option of more range and a damage type selection beyond EM...

What is you and the 3 people who liked your posts problem with this ship. It looks, feels and rides like an average Brawler Battlecruiser built for small gang work.

Ok.. Let me teach you something. YOU ARE A DRAKE. Drakes SHIELD tank. In other words your targets are not shooting Barrage or Hail at you. We're going to shoot you with EM heavy ordnance. Now... Please adjust your EFT or EVE HQ to purely EM dps and see what your "typical brawler" battlecruiser's tank looks like.

Yeah.. much lower. Now.. 2nd point. I believe I did say the Drake will always be able to carry a good tank. Go back up to my post and read that.

3rd point: I did not say the new Drake will be bad at PVP. Quite the converse: They'll OWN other battlecruiser gangs because of excellent damage PROJECTION and now a DPS increase. However they'll only do this if they have time to deploy that DPS.

In other words these Drakes will be great for the teams that run around with 2-3 scimitars - Which brings me to my last point: The Drake is only becoming a better FLEET ship. Much like every other Caldari ship.

P.S. 570 dps out of your "GANK" Drake is pathetic too. Gank BC's do more like 700-800. Try again.

The Drake change also has a secondary impact - the much maligned and ignored Ferox can be appealing.

64.5k EHP. 73.4k EHP w/ Hardners overheated. 789 Overheated DPS with Void. 604 DPS overheated with Null. If you lose the PDU for a DC II and exchange the HAM II for something smaller - you get 87.9K EHP. Keep in mind this is a ship they're talking about buffing.

We want to make the less used Caldari hybrid ships (Merlin, Moa, Ferox, Rokh) good at what they are supposed to be doing - that most likely means having a look at their slot layout, bonuses, removing the weird hybrid/missile weapon system they have for an all turret setup. Ideally, we want them to be on the same line as the Naga. Again, more details will follow when we actually start looking at them.

Caldari Blasterdized Rail Boats are about to get a lot better.

They really don't need that much. Their reputation is actually worse then their performance - especially after the Blaster and Null buffs. They've been written off as "bad" and unworthy of a second look.

I have an Eagle fit I'm working towards. 53k EHP. 524 DPS Null - 14km optimal with 8.8km of falloff. 717 DPS Void. 7.6km Optimal and 3.1km of falloff. MWD fit. If the Eagle could just have the three drones that the Moa carries - it would be great IMHO. That would be 60 DPS added to the above numbers.

Is it?

The skin is different then the current and we haven't seen the V3 Skins for ether the Prophecy or the Damnation.

Do you think this is the new Damnation skin?

Yes Caldari doesn't have Paper DPS Hammers but that is more Gallente's thing and you don't need them in a small gang it is just a different style, a good tank with good DPS is fine and 570 DPS is fine.

New Drake is fine for Brawling and Small Gangs.

I would think an EFT warrior like you would know the Prophecy has ONE launcher hardpoint. Damnation has 5.

Those "Paper DPS Hammers" known as Brutix's will tank 519dps (890 overloaded) with 38k EHP
Null DPS 511 (541 overloaded)

Since your fit uses a web and warp scrambler that means you're fighting at the Gallente's optimal where it can web and scramble and move in close. So let's use Void

Void DPS 624 (694 overloaded)

As for attempting to "range tank the Brutix" It can move out at 1488 m/s. A bit faster than your Drake. By the way, it's capacitor will last 6 minutes with overloaded reps.

Have fun with those Paper DPS Hammers! My fit doesn't even use damage mods!

Comparing an active tank ship to a buffer tank ship the active tank will win most of the time in a 1v1.

Oh and the bolded... no. The overheat won't put you up 370.

You sir are making the critical mistake.

You are judging a ship based upon the OTHER ships around it. Again... requiring the Drake (and other Caldari ships) to be gang/fleet ships.

But since you want to run 5v5...


I see no reason why 3 Brutix's vs 5 Drakes will have any trouble tearing your gang apart. Since 3 Brutix's will throw out 2082 dps each of your Drakes is going to last 27 seconds.

Your Drakes put out 2850 dps minus the 890 local tank of each Brutix = 1960 dps to your overall gang. However I am doing this with just 3 ships to your 5. And since repping is a nice way to buy time in gang warfare let's say my 2 Guardians jump the gate.

Now to put it politely you're screwed. Yes two of your Drakes will escape as I cannot hold all five there. Sorry if we make this a 6v6 I'll bring an Arazu.

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I'm not the one grasping at straws. You're logic is flawed when you must hide it among the dynamic variances of "gang warfare."

Now I wondered how a pilot like you can have such a fantastically limited grasp of PVP to base the judgements you've made. That's when I realized you're in Red vs Blue.

Before you begin lecturing the global EVE community about how a ship's buff/nerfs affect us (most of us don't bother to laugh at you on the forums) please consider that there'sa BIGGER world of pvp'ers who do not live in a mutual wardec of epic noobery.

For instance: You haven't factored in the affect of sentry fire. So you've completely excluded lowsec PVP from your equation. Which I find highly odd as lowsec sees more pvp than anywhere else.... and it's very proficient pvp too.

Yes I was being nice. The repps actually gimp the DPS abilities of a Brutix. If you want I'll setup a "Gang Brutix" that will do even more DPS with more buffer as it can rely upon it's other gang mates (the two Guardians) to stay alive. Oh and your Drakes will pop much faster

Has it occurred to you yet that we're comparing a Tier 1 BC gang to a Tier 2 BC gang? And even if you choose to put 2 Scimitars in your gang I still win out of shear DPS? Oh... and don't forget my Brutix's at current state can field 15 EC-600's so your potential logistics are going to be hurting.

Hmmm.. So when you EFT'd this you just overloaded the reppers? Why did you forget to overload the explosive hardener?

This is why I think you need a bit more actual PVP experience.

Because unlike you, good pvp'ers plug their explosive / electromagnetic hull. A pretty fit on EFT doesn't translate to actual in-game effectiveness.

So you are exploring every available option for your Gang but not the other way around to prove a point. Pulling fictional numbers like 890 Omni Active Tank and not looking at the whole picture. Multiple Drake Webs for instance puts Rage Missiles in play with heat you can reach 750 DPS for one thing. Or having long points fitted on your buffer ships cuts there speed.

You jump so quickly against the Drake and rely on situation where your gang is guaranteed a win without the Drake Gang using counter tactics that are effective for it. You don't take into account Field positioning, or chasing the primary which is a major, major factor in Gallente Warfare.

All this you wrote is smoke an mirrors when there are Support Ships that can counter your support, Nano Drake Fits that can kite and so on. Combat is way to fluid for your limited example theory crafting and someone so intent on questioning my experience should know this. But the final truth is that 570 DPS and 70k EHP tank is not a bad thing at all for a brawler and it is only one small gang fit available for new Drake.

Sure explosive Hardener on a 5 low slot ship like you know what an enemy is going to be firing.

Okay, so is the enemy using Armor because New Drake can use to Explosive Missiles. If they are using Shield you can use EM Missiles. I will give you a second to adjust your EFT back to the level playing field.

Lets look at New Drake.

[Drake, New]
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Drake "nerf" considering max skills:
In a large fleet situation, HMLs can now outreach 1400mm howitzers (Alpha fleets) when it comes to reliable damage (they'll be losing damage to falloff). They do all this while retaining respectable BC ehp. (Just as much resists as other BCs, cept the ferox).

Unironically glad I have a phoenix now.

OPEN SILO BAY DOORS: PREPARE TO LAUNCH.

(Too bad it's still ****, oh well)

. Smoke in space is silly...