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kick boxur	Posted - 2008.08.23 23:48:00 - [1] So today i was playing Eve, when i realized a small debate started in the corp chat. The subject? "Do girls play EVE" Now this sounds in a way like im mocking either girls or the game eve but im not. Someone mentioned that there was no girls who played eve, and another said that there are. My personal opinion was i really dont think girls play eve, vid games yes, Eve, NO. I think out of the 30 000 people online right now there will be less than 500 playing. This then arises another topic on this subject... Who is the hottest girl out there who has an eve account...?
Lord Haur Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.23 23:50:00 - [2] Yes StevieSG 'nuff said. --- Sig Starts Here --- Lord Haur - Imperial Academy Logistical Support
shadow knight1	Posted - 2008.08.23 23:54:00 - [3] Edited by: shadow knight1 on 23/08/2008 23:53:50 i was in the corp chat at the time just wanted to say that and i was mistaken for a girl. fatesealed should have said that
fatesealed Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.08.23 23:55:00 - [4] That is me ^^^^^^ Some People Say I Am a Back STABBER! they are right :P
Karmasutra	Posted - 2008.08.24 00:05:00 - [5] Just to let everyone know im still trading my +2 Wife for a asian schoolgirl! Thanks! //Karmasutra
Tranka Verrane Caldari Private Venture Enterprises Safe And Fun Environment	Posted - 2008.08.24 00:14:00 - [6] Yes, they do. Use eve voice more and you will hear one or two. They are heavily outnumbered, however, partly because it is a self-fulfilling prophecy that there are no girls in Eve. It's stated so often that the girls that do come in iften drift away again. The environment and attitude of the players and even the game itself tends to alienate them. Ingame: Channels&Mailing lists>Channels>Join>PVE>OK
Ancy Denaries Caldari Amarr Sisterhood of Galactic Sirens	Posted - 2008.08.24 00:22:00 - [7] Would you believe me if I told you that we have two girls in our corp? Balance is important, but you will always adapt to changing circumstances and you don't whine about stuff you can't change.
kick boxur	Posted - 2008.08.24 00:39:00 - [8] Ya why wouldn't i believe you if you said you have two girls in your corp? BUT I think since there's two girls you need to ask them for a pic each to post on this forum so we can all rate them :)
Ancy Denaries Caldari Amarr Sisterhood of Galactic Sirens	Posted - 2008.08.24 01:02:00 - [9] I would think that's the exact reason as to why girls are slightly hesitant to announce their sex openly :D Balance is important, but you will always adapt to changing circumstances and you don't whine about stuff you can't change.
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2008.08.24 01:12:00 - [10] 5% of the playerbase is female (statistic published by CCP). So out of your 30,000 number, 1500 would be female. Two of the CSM reps are female. As for your other questions about who's hot and pics, get a life.
kick boxur	Posted - 2008.08.24 03:38:00 - [11] Wow statistics and everything, thats cool. I didn't make this thread to be a pervert creep in anyway. I thought id ask because it was something people were talking about. And as for pics and stuff, like i said a non creepy way, I think it would be ****in awesome to get some girls posting pictures and i bet A lot of other people would agree. But anyways Mr.Statistics gave me the answer. Thanks!
Mankirks Wife	Posted - 2008.08.24 05:56:00 - [12] I've heard rumors that females only make up a few percentage points of the playerbase, and I'd be surprised if this wasn't true. Competition - and not just the friendly type (definitely not the friendly type) is the central theme of Eve. And even though I'm really trying not to stereotype here, this really isn't the kind of gameplay that appeals to most females. ---
Joe Starbreaker AnTi.	Posted - 2008.08.24 06:42:00 - [13] MMORPG = mostly men online role-playing girls Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto All piracy is built upon honoring one's word.
Vex Cachet Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.24 08:15:00 - [14] Well, since my wife and I sit right next to each other and play every night, I can guarantee that there is at least one girl who plays. We use voice chat, so fleet up with us sometime and listen for yourself. Also, another anecdotal reference: this same conversation came up the other night in npc corp chat and I challenged some "girl" who just sounded to me like a guy, the way he was talking. Well, she got out a webcam and took pictures of herself holding up a sign with my name. Surprise of all surprises, she wasn't bad looking. I have to admit, I suffer from the same prejudices that you seem to: I was surprised to learn that a good looking girl would be playing EVE all alone at night, hanging around in chat with a bunch of guys. Amazingly, some do.
Monkey Saturday Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2008.08.24 12:53:00 - [15] There are 3 women in my corp, so yeah, women play eve. There are probably a fair few who do, but most, I imagine, don't let on that they are women until they can trust that their corpmates won't start acting like 13 year old boys around them. Thanks for the Maulus BPO nerf! :D
Kasutra Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.24 13:47:00 - [16] All lies! There are no girls on the internet. ^_^
Nareth Mordonis GenX Societies Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.24 14:43:00 - [17] Edited by: Nareth Mordonis on 24/08/2008 14:44:10 Most women are not hesitant about saying, "yes I'm a woman and play video games". We just don't go around with a giant billboard above our heads saying woman here. For my own reasons is because it always leads to the innevitable "There are no womenz on the internetz!" followed by "Pics plz". It's annoying. There actually was a corp in eve comprised completly of women though. I am not sure if they are still around or not. To join you just had to log onto vent and talk to prove you were a woman. Not that difficult.
Yelan Zhou Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.24 14:46:00 - [18] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker MMORPG = mostly men online role-playing girls You would wonder how man women are Roleplaying men. War. War never changes.
Ami Nia	Posted - 2008.08.24 16:20:00 - [19] Originally by: Nareth Mordonis it always leads to the innevitable "There are no womenz on the internetz!" followed by "Pics plz". It's annoying. If I'm a boy, you do not want to know. If I'm a girl, you do not need to know.
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2008.08.24 16:41:00 - [20] Ah yes, the monthly "do girls play EVE?" question... Yes, they do, but you're not helping matters. I'm afraid I must invoke XKCD on this issue... Football? Hell yes.
Pan Dora Caldari Bears Inc Violent-Tendencies	Posted - 2008.08.24 22:47:00 - [21] There is girls in EVE. But, personaly, I 'set then' men and dont let this affect my gameplay. My posts DOES reflect the view of my corp and ally... ..or a mistake they did when let me post.
Ivy Lynneleo	Posted - 2008.08.25 05:10:00 - [22] Who cares really...
Rhivre Caldari Carlsberg Intelligence Agency	Posted - 2008.08.25 12:03:00 - [23] the thing i have found compared to other mmos is that the reaction here is...a little different. For example, if i am sitting happily chatting to someone in a convo, helping the out with something, and say, after 20 minutes, i mention "well, i normally fleet with my boyfriend and provide support with my osprey" (while discussing early available support ships) the following responses have occured: "ooooh, a girl, cool"...this is the usual mmo response, has happened in about half of convos "lol, sorry, didnt know you were a girl, will ask someone else" Convo tab: you are alone...happens in about 1/4 of the discussions ".........." again, left alone in convo, happens in the remainder. personally, when i have people with the latter responses, i add them to my list of names to go hunting for at a later date if having a convo with a member of the female gender about an interweb spaceships game is not in their realm of possibility, then getting shot down by one is even further out of their imagination.....aside from that, i am nice, and fluffy in game...honest
ZeCamerone Caldari Zinder Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.25 12:39:00 - [24] Girls? EvE? I dunno...oh wait, our benevolent CEO!
Andy Caldair League of shadows.	Posted - 2008.08.25 13:25:00 - [25] LadyHawk2U is the CEO of the League Of Shadows corp in Sankkasen In the beginning the universe was created. This made a lot of people angry and has widely been considered as a bad move. - Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2008.08.25 13:27:00 - [26] The convo window system in this game kinda sucks; you have to open all these windows for every private conversation you want to have... I don't like it. I much prefer the system where all channels are displayed in the same window, with different colors, and you just use /slash commands to direct your text to specific channels. All my convos are of the "quick ask/answer a question then disconnect" type, although, just like with telephone conversations, I think the polite thing to do is to start with "Hello" and end with "Have to go, good bye." Thing is, people leave the channel or stop responding in most other games too, and it just seems less rude because the comms are all combined into one window.
Etumretniw Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.08.25 13:46:00 - [27] Originally by: Sakura Nihil Ah yes, the monthly "do girls play EVE?" question... Yes, they do, but you're not helping matters. I'm afraid I must invoke XKCD on this issue... So true.
Miriel Amarinth Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.08.25 14:37:00 - [28] Yes, women play EVE, my boyfriend can testify to that. :) I just think most of us don't feel the need to inform everyone. In terms of immature behaviour towards the presence of women in 'their' online game, I think EVE is a decade behind most other MMO's, probably because the general concensus seems to be that EVE doesn't appeal to women and therefore they should be non-existent - despite the fact that CCP itself proves otherwise. In terms of the reactions of other EVE players if you tell them that you're a woman, some are cool about it and some others just start acting funnily. I don't care either way. If anyone asks for proof though they can just forget about it, I'm not about to start handing out pictures on demand - real men don't need proof, they will take a person's word for it. So yes, I'm a girl playing EVE and proud of it - now when are we getting customizable ship war-paint?
Rhivre Caldari Carlsberg Intelligence Agency	Posted - 2008.08.25 14:41:00 - [29] Originally by: Miriel Amarinth now when are we getting customizable ship war-paint? Gets my vote
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.08.26 01:57:00 - [30] One female in the alliance I'm in, afaik. Originally by: Rawr Cristina (dreadnoughts are also possibly the most boring ship you could fly. It's like mining, without the part where you make money)
charming wanderer	Posted - 2008.08.26 14:26:00 - [31] Originally by: kick boxur . BUT I think since there's two girls you need to ask them for a pic each to post on this forum so we can all rate them :) WTF @ that... It is crap like that right there that makes women stay away from EVE. How bout you post a pic of yourself so we can rate you?
Nareth Mordonis Minmatar GenX Societies Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.26 14:52:00 - [32] Originally by: charming wanderer Originally by: kick boxur . BUT I think since there's two girls you need to ask them for a pic each to post on this forum so we can all rate them :) WTF @ that... It is crap like that right there that makes women stay away from EVE. How bout you post a pic of yourself so we can rate you? I've tried using that one before. Someone told me I'm a guy until they see pictures. I just replied that I am 99% sure they are a woman and that they need to send me pictures to prove me wrong. I've never understood why people feel that I need to prove which gender I am, yet feel no need to prove which gender they are.
Amandin Adouin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.26 17:24:00 - [33] Originally by: Miriel Amarinth So yes, I'm a girl playing EVE and proud of it - now when are we getting customizable ship war-paint? I agree - if CCP wants more girl players they need to add in the ability to customize our ship colors/paintjobs
SadisticSavior Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.26 17:29:00 - [34] Edited by: SadisticSavior on 26/08/2008 17:29:37 Quote: You would wonder how man women are Roleplaying men. Man Women? Is that some kind of euphemism for lesbians?
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2008.08.26 21:22:00 - [35] Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 26/08/2008 21:23:20 Not really sure why some of us men act like asshats when we recognize we're talking to a woman. Some I'd chalk up to being teenage boys, and treating the game as a type of online dating service, fapping to their skimpy Gallente alts on the side. Others are probably just not used to much female contact in the game, considering its like 20:1 men to women at last count, and you're somewhat anonymous on the internet. shrugs Football? Hell yes.
Miriel Amarinth Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.08.27 22:13:00 - [36] Originally by: SadisticSavior Edited by: SadisticSavior on 26/08/2008 17:29:37 Quote: You would wonder how man women are Roleplaying men. Man Women? Is that some kind of euphemism for lesbians? Hehe think he meant '..how many women..' As for an answer to that question, you'd be surprised... I know quite a few women who have made and are still are playing a male toon. I for one have toyed with the idea but dismissed it mostly on two grounds: 1. I don't like the male toons in most of the games I've played - they always seem too clunky and just not as well designed as the female characters. 2. If you play a female toon most people are bright enough to consider that you might be a dude playing a girl, or a girl playing a girl - if you play a male toon everyone will automatically assume you are MALE.
kick boxur	Posted - 2008.08.28 06:27:00 - [37] Edited by: kick boxur on 28/08/2008 06:35:03 This is for charming wanderer...who seems to have been very very disgusted with my answer to a previous question... ". BUT I think since there's two girls you need to ask them for a pic each to post on this forum so we can all rate them :)" And for the reply ... WTF @ that... It is crap like that right there that makes women stay away from EVE. How bout you post a pic of yourself so we can rate you? Ok well first off sorry for offending you, and second im not some weirdo perv who tries and picks up girls on eve and hoping that by creating this post I could get girs to post pics of them selfs! I made this to just see what people had to say about it and it was actually very interesting, and if a few girls did post their pics then good for them id totally rate them ha ha. Anyways heres me, I'm 22 not an old fat dude and i do things out side my computer ;) Me and my son Pre fight poster pic Me doing backflip
Arkena Firelance	Posted - 2008.08.28 08:32:00 - [38] Sorry to offend "most" of you, but it's true that man (mostly arround 20~25) act like little children if they find out you are a girl lil' story about something that happend to me once: When I just started I was asking alot of things on the rookie chat because of the complexity of this game (for me, it was complex)and some-1 recognized I was a girl, he sent me an ingame mail, we talked for a bit in private chat. I didn't even knew him for a week or so and he started to ask for picture's.. I don't know what it is for men to have picture's of a woman who is like 1000 km away from your hometown, I mean, I dont ask boys for pictures of themselves, do I? :-P. It's not that boys are irritating for girls in this game, most are very friendly all the time! (that is one of the many reasons why I play this game =]). I also think most of the girls which are playing already have a boyfriend, so there is not really a reason to ask for picca's Well I hope you understand what I mean :P Cheers, Arkena Firelance
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2008.08.28 13:45:00 - [39] Edited by: Letouk Mernel on 28/08/2008 13:45:55 Most people who answer newbie questions will answer one or two and then go do whatever they're busy with. They're not there to mentor you or anybody. See, you guys chat to socialize, we regard "chatting" as mentoring you, especially if lots of questions are mixed into the chit-chat. In his mind, the pictures were his reward for all that time spent babysitting you. In your mind, the entire EVE community is required to train newbies and answer questions, otherwise how else are new people going to be able to join, learn, and play the game? But we don't owe anyone anything. CCP didn't build in a good newbie experience, shrug, not our problem. See the difference in thinking?
Neteria Haiyar	Posted - 2008.08.28 14:38:00 - [40] Originally by: Sakura Nihil Ah yes, the monthly "do girls play EVE?" question... Yes, they do, but you're not helping matters. I'm afraid I must invoke XKCD on this issue... <3 XKCD
Baredil Real Nice And Laidback Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.28 17:47:00 - [41] Originally by: kick boxur . Who is the hottest girl out there who has an eve account...? Lavalife and/or Second Life are thataway ---> (or so I'm told. )
kick boxur	Posted - 2008.08.29 02:14:00 - [42] ew Those games scare me.
Taradis Amarr The Imperial Assassins Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.29 08:52:00 - [43] girls are wonderful and they do exisit in Eve now askin for a pic to rate may be over the line as eve is not a "hey wanna shack up kinda game"
Wa'roun The Scope	Posted - 2008.08.29 18:03:00 - [44] I really don't think this thread belongs in the New Citizens Q & A. Join channel: "Eve University" or read here
kick boxur	Posted - 2008.08.30 15:23:00 - [45] wa'roun I'm pretty sure it does because I'm a noob.
StevieSG	Posted - 2008.10.08 19:58:00 - [46] I know at least 5 girls in RL who play eve... OMG ROFL KFC WTF http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
Mithos Victus Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.08 20:20:00 - [47] Edited by: Mithos Victus on 08/10/2008 20:23:55 I promoted a woman to co-leader in the few years I GM'd an endgame guild in that other game. And we had a female member in the corps up until recently that was very active and vocal about all corporate matters, and any regular conversations. However, even within my own corporation, it was sometimes a case of those ... awkward teenage boys realizing, OH NOZ A GIRL /o\ HOW DO I ACT WHAT DO I SAY?! It was amusing, she nonchalantly announced that she was a girl in passing during a convo when only a few of us were around. Being the mostly rational and respectable man that I am, I took it with a grain of salt, made note of it in my mind, and moved on. A few days later, one of the younger male members of the corps logged on, and again, the topic came up one way or another, that she was a girl. His immediate response was to go "Yer a girl?" and then ten minutes of silence when she said, "Indeed." Every time after that, he was constantly and awkwardly hitting on her, praising her veteran EVE knowledge in a naive and peevish manner, and she took it with grace and just kind of ignored it, you know how it is. She struck a perfect balance IMO with that particular member (kept him at arm's length like an overzealous puppy), but in light of that it still does not matter what they do, how they do it, or what they say, and how they say it, girls get the short end of the stick in most MMOs because they are considered by the majority of males to be in "our private clubhouse". Kind of like if the cops are called on a rowdy poker party of all males, and it is a female cop who knocks on the door, what is the first thing they are gonna think when they answer the door? It's an unfortunate reality, TBH. Most of the time, they can handle themselves just fine, but there are occasions where you need to step in and be like, "Hey, give me a break, she isn't your personal play toy, she's just another player in an online game like the rest of us, leave her be or I'll smash your face." So, when the OP asked, like so many other males have throughout MMO history, "pictures or it never happened", then you should prolly feel free to step in with the obligatory "Silence! I keel you!", otherwise I'm fairly certain that women who play MMOs can take care of themselves just fine
Ana Vyr Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.09 14:54:00 - [48] Ugh...folks this thread belongs in the WoW General Forums. I was kinda hoping to leave this behind when I joined the EVE community.
Salpad Caldari Carebears with Attitude	Posted - 2008.10.09 16:22:00 - [49] Originally by: Letouk Mernel Edited by: Letouk Mernel on 28/08/2008 13:45:55 Most people who answer newbie questions will answer one or two and then go do whatever they're busy with. They're not there to mentor you or anybody. See, you guys chat to socialize, we regard "chatting" as mentoring you, especially if lots of questions are mixed into the chit-chat. In his mind, the pictures were his reward for all that time spent babysitting you. In your mind, the entire EVE community is required to train newbies and answer questions, otherwise how else are new people going to be able to join, learn, and play the game? But we don't owe anyone anything. CCP didn't build in a good newbie experience, shrug, not our problem. See the difference in thinking? I mentor new players because I enjoy doing it, and secondarily because sometimes they turn out to become really skilled pilots that can help me out when I get in trouble. If I'm mentoring some player who turns out to be female, and she decided to reward me with pics, that'd be okay with me (depending on how cute she is, of course), but I'd really prefer her to instead "reward" me by just "passing it on", in that once she has become an experienced pilot, she in turn teaches and mentors new players. Same as with the modest 150k ISK donation I give to noobs. Don't pay that back to me. Pay it forward instead. -- Salpad
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2008.10.09 20:42:00 - [50] Eh ... I don't care. If they're chicks ... fine ... they're chicks. Mostly I try and treat them with the same level of consideration and mistrust as I would anyone else in this game. However, I don't necessarily believe it when someone says they're a chick. Some guys will do that so people will be nicer to them. There were even a couple of 12 year old boys over at Planetside who posted pictures of their cute - older (like 18) - neighbors, saying that that was them. I don't remember how they dealt with teamspeak. I also have in mind the picture I saw once of some big, fat, hairy, naked dude sitting in a chair in front of his computer with a caption that indicated he was pretending to be a chick. The picture was posted as a joke but ... that didn't mean it wasn't real. Now - for those girls wondering why men ask for pic's - the above is one reason. They don't want some fat, hairy, guy to be tricking them. But, as above that - pic's mean - NOTHING. That chick that held up the guys name above with the web cam - could - have been the real posters girl friend or sister. Even voices aren't a guarantee. Of course the other reason they want a pic - is that if you're an ugly chick they aren't going to want to talk to you either. Anyway, I tend to assume that they are all male regardless of what they say. Since I don't treat them any differently - it doesn't freaking matter. Given the amount of lying and scamming that goes on in this game why would I believe anything anyone said about anything? Yeah. I'm sure that there are real chicks playing EVE. So? What do I care? Last I checked ... I was here to play a space ship game ... not get a date. If I was after a date ... I think I'd go somewhere that had a slightly higher ratio of chicks. Russian Brides maybe? Or maybe not ... looks like there's a few scams there ... Although ... I do know a guy IRL which that did work out for ... Faction Schools Orbiting vs. Kiting
FOl2TY8 Revolutionary United Front Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.10.09 23:14:00 - [51] Originally by: kick boxur Me and my son Pre fight poster pic Me doing backflip AH HA HA HA HA What a tool....
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach	Posted - 2008.10.09 23:26:00 - [52] Originally by: Wa'roun I really don't think this thread belongs in the New Citizens Q & A. Ditto and lets not feed this thread anymore. It was bad enough the first time and it really should be in the OOP forum. Slade
Kazuma Saruwatari Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.10 01:11:00 - [53] first honest-to-god encounter with a female podpilot ended me in a pod escaping to empire from a lost Abaddon to an expertly-piloted Zealot. I eventually was recruited by the same alliance and later found out the same pilot was a woman. I was flabbergasted. -
Taradis Amarr The Imperial Assassins Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.10.10 03:41:00 - [54] Edited by: Taradis on 10/10/2008 03:42:30 another one of these damn threads jeez post in the half a billion other threads like this yes ffs gurls play eve why is this always a debate? Edit: woops damnit i did post in this thread already

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