Originally by: Tacit Malice

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Edited by: Tacit Malice on 25/08/2008 02:33:34
I looked on the forums and didn't find much on this subject. So can anyone tell me if there is any reason to fit faction projectile guns over tech 2? They seem to cost alot of LPs to get, but dont seem to have the stats to back that up. I am pretty new to the game though, so maybe Im missing something?

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Originally by: Boz Well

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With artillery, there are some reasons

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Originally by: Tacit Malice

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Originally by: Boz Well

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With artillery, there are some reasons

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Originally by: ZW Dewitt

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...also lower cap use.

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Originally by: Uziel Zero

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Considering the differences between T2 and faction, you will need to look at it on a per-weapon basis. On turrets, where the T2 specialization skills kick in (+2% per level damage mod), the T2 guns will outperform the best faction by a significant margin. For example, on 1200mm artillery, the +10% higher potential damage modifier on the T2s outperforms the ~5% higher rate of fire on best faction.

On missiles, it's a completely different story, since it's all about rate of fire. Faction launchers do better than T2, unless you need the T2 ammo advanced capabilities. Then again, that's probably why T2 turrets require so much higher SP to get.

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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T2 turrets do more damage than their faction equivalents, IIRC. Kind of sucks.

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Originally by: Kano Sekor

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faction ammo for the win

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Originally by: Sheriff Jones

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Originally by: Omarvelous

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For example look at a Rokh fit with Faction 425mm Rails. When setup for max damage at 150km, the faction guns are better.

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Originally by: Omarvelous

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Some sniper fits actually work better with faction guns than tech 2 guns, because the faction gun allows you to use faction ammo instead of long range ammo to get higher DPS at 150km than spike would.

For example look at a Rokh fit with Faction 425mm Rails. When setup for max damage at 150km, the faction guns are better.

For short range max dps - screw the faction guns - its a waste of isk.

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Originally by: Dark Solaris

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I have a question plz.

As we talk about faction weapons and their T2 equi., I would like to know if the officer weapons are to faction ones as for normal T2 weapons are to T1 weapons? Considering that, I don't know why officer guns cannot use T2 ammo?

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Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky

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Originally by: Omarvelous

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Some sniper fits actually work better with faction guns than tech 2 guns, because the faction gun allows you to use faction ammo instead of long range ammo to get higher DPS at 150km than spike would.

For example look at a Rokh fit with Faction 425mm Rails. When setup for max damage at 150km, the faction guns are better.

For short range max dps - screw the faction guns - its a waste of isk.

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nope. . .even with faction ammo loaded, 425IIs are better then 425 faction unless we are dealing with the 'Modified' versions. In the end however, for long range sniping - having the full spectrum (spike included) available and the damage bonus from T2 guns (which applies to all ammo loaded into those guns) is very nessisary - the Rokh does pathetic dps as it is. . .% increaces in damage make a huge difference. The Rokh can be fit with faction/T1 guns and still snipe. . .but its more expensive ('Scout' and up) and does less damage. If you are training caldari bb 5 for the Rokh (which is idiotic considering the Apoc) then T1 guns are filler untill T2 with a serious rush to do large rail spec 4 (a month and change).

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Originally by: Omarvelous

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Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky

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Originally by: Omarvelous

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Some sniper fits actually work better with faction guns than tech 2 guns, because the faction gun allows you to use faction ammo instead of long range ammo to get higher DPS at 150km than spike would.

For example look at a Rokh fit with Faction 425mm Rails. When setup for max damage at 150km, the faction guns are better.

For short range max dps - screw the faction guns - its a waste of isk.

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nope. . .even with faction ammo loaded, 425IIs are better then 425 faction unless we are dealing with the 'Modified' versions. In the end however, for long range sniping - having the full spectrum (spike included) available and the damage bonus from T2 guns (which applies to all ammo loaded into those guns) is very nessisary - the Rokh does pathetic dps as it is. . .% increaces in damage make a huge difference. The Rokh can be fit with faction/T1 guns and still snipe. . .but its more expensive ('Scout' and up) and does less damage. If you are training caldari bb 5 for the Rokh (which is idiotic considering the Apoc) then T1 guns are filler untill T2 with a serious rush to do large rail spec 4 (a month and change).

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I'll need to load up some numbers when I get a chance - I could have sworn I was able to use faction thorium (or perhaps uranium) with a sniper fit (+150km) on a rokh with faction guns (lower grid requirements allowed for locus rigs) - obviously if you're looking for +200 km range tech 2 with spike is better - but for plain old 150km sniping, I could have sworn faction guns with locus rigs were able to use much higher damage faction ammo to hit 150km. Again I'll have to load up some numbers to verify this - to be honest I wouldn't do it anyways considering how cost ineffective it is. I'd rather go with spike and tech 2 and not cry when I get popped.

BTW - The Rokh may have a lower dps at 150km than other BS - but you can fit a DD resistant buffer tank (shield extender rigs + PDU II + DCU II + LSE II) - and still hit out past 150 km).

So I'll stick to training for that tech 2 Rokh ;)

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