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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.06.07 04:35:00 -
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Whats going to be the better cruiser post patch? for PVP? the caracal or the moa?
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.06.07 05:15:00 -
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Post patch, it will be better to use turrets. So my guess will be Moa, unless you want to spam heavy missiles with the Caracal.
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.06.07 05:20:00 -
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Actually, I'd debate that, Slithereen.
Heavy missiles are actually pretty decent, and thermal heavies in a Caracal get a 5% cruiser damage bonus, so at Cruiser 4 / Heavy Missiles 4, you're looking at 216 damage per missile, excluding the bonus from any Ballistic Controls. That's a pretty fair kick in the teeth, and the Caracal can use five such launchers.
Still, the Moa is a harder target than the Caracal is, but the punch of that many heavies isn't to be ignored. The Caracal still has 4 medium slots to make good use of, too.
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Zen Jakkaru
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Posted - 2004.06.07 07:38:00 -
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I'd say Moa because of its versatility.
However, keep in mind you're comparing a lvl2 to a lvl3 cruiser here.I've never understood people comparing ships like Scorpions to Ravens, damage wise and all.
Har-de-fraggin'-har-har!
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2004.06.07 13:22:00 -
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moas more versatile, caracal can probly do more damage overall.
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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2004.06.07 20:31:00 -
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I would also debate with slithereen. Heavies are no joke after patch. The MOAs bonus can't hold a stick to a thorax's for turrets unless were talking NPC hunting... and shield tanking isn't good enuff for cruisers that need cap. Moreover, to fit M proj ( because it eats less cap ) on anything but a maller or Minmitar ships is kinda wasteful so hybrids are best for Caldari.
Caracal with a good pilot will probably own just like it does now for PvP. MOA will retain its place as 2nd best NPC farmer, Maller still being top dog.
My 2 isk
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John McCreedy
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Posted - 2004.06.07 22:04:00 -
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The only thing the patch will do is nerf the Caracal's ability to take down larger ships. What it won't do is make any difference to Cruiser Vs. Cruiser combat.
Generally speaking, for PvP use the Caracal and for Rat Hunting, use a Moa unless you know who/what youre going up against.
Make a difference
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.06.08 00:27:00 -
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Well Since im flying a Caracal with heavy missiles right now, how should I set it up for rat hunting? I only have like 300k skill points btw... I have good weaponry skills though.
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Akarah Siminova
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Posted - 2004.06.08 00:55:00 -
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I dont think its possible to have good weaponry skills with only 300k points total. That said,
5x heavy launcher with mixed heavies
10mn mwd or 100mn ab
med or large shield booster
midslot 3 and 4 vary by your preference/purpose
2x cap relays
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John McCreedy
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Posted - 2004.06.08 01:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Cruz
Well Since im flying a Caracal with heavy missiles right now, how should I set it up for rat hunting? I only have like 300k skill points btw... I have good weaponry skills though.
2 x 250mm Rails
3 x Heavy Launchers
1 x Medium Shield Booster
1 x Shield Amp
1 x RCU 1
1 x Co-Pro 1
Get your skills up and then swap the Medium Booster for a Large one.
Make a difference
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.06.08 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: John McCreedy
Originally by: Cruz
Well Since im flying a Caracal with heavy missiles right now, how should I set it up for rat hunting? I only have like 300k skill points btw... I have good weaponry skills though.
2 x 250mm Rails
3 x Heavy Launchers
1 x Medium Shield Booster
1 x Shield Amp
1 x RCU 1
1 x Co-Pro 1
Get your skills up and then swap the Medium Booster for a Large one.
wow nice, thats basically my set up right now, except i have 1 250mm, 1 standard launcher, adn 3 heavy launchers, I use the standard to fire lightmissiles not to waste money heh.
I just took on 2 35k rats and 4 10k rats too, pwned them, thank god for that medium shield booseter, they even had me warp scrambled! i couldnt warp out.
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Grayfang
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Posted - 2004.06.08 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Cruz
Originally by: John McCreedy
Originally by: Cruz
Well Since im flying a Caracal with heavy missiles right now, how should I set it up for rat hunting? I only have like 300k skill points btw... I have good weaponry skills though.
2 x 250mm Rails
3 x Heavy Launchers
1 x Medium Shield Booster
1 x Shield Amp
1 x RCU 1
1 x Co-Pro 1
Get your skills up and then swap the Medium Booster for a Large one.
wow nice, thats basically my set up right now, except i have 1 250mm, 1 standard launcher, adn 3 heavy launchers, I use the standard to fire lightmissiles not to waste money heh.
I just took on 2 35k rats and 4 10k rats too, pwned them, thank god for that medium shield booseter, they even had me warp scrambled! i couldnt warp out.
If you want you can swap those light missiles out for defenders. Cheap way to cut down on incoming fire IMHO.
My set-up:
x3 Malkuth ML w/ Heavies
x1 Standard Launcher w/ Defenders (Set on autorepeat)
x1 10MN MWD
x2 Micro Shield Extender
x1 OHM Cap. (I think there's an OHM on it.... i'll have to check)
x1 Coprocessor
x1 Reactor Control
This is a novice set-up, I know. But a damn good one considering my skills and what I can use ATM.
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Ishtari
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Posted - 2004.06.08 05:18:00 -
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4 XR3200 launchers, 250 railgun
med shield booster, med shield extender, AB or MWD
2 named overdrives
not sure about other slots.
remember caracal has good shields for lvl 2 cruiser so capitalise on that.
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Iratus Caelestis
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Posted - 2004.06.08 12:29:00 -
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I've got both and I personally feel the Moa is a little bit better because of its versatility and the fact that you can fit a Large Shieldbooster to it as well as 2 launchers and 4 medium rails.
I believe only having the heavy missiles on a Caracal will negate the current situation of a Moa being owned by a Caracal in seconds.
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Melle Brast
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Posted - 2004.06.08 12:59:00 -
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I have one question for the more experienced players.
I have seen a few threads like this one, where it is clear that the person asking don't have nearly enough/good enough skills to be driving a cruiser, at least from my point of view.
The question is: Is it better to jump into a cruiser with the lack of proper SP so one can learn from mistakes? Or is it better to try and master the frigs properly (cheaper to do mistakes) first?
I have roughly 1.35M SP now and the only cruisers I can use are lvl 2 Caldari, still I use the frig rather, faster, more agile, more fun and I can still kill the rats I need to with ease. I know this might sound strange, but I feel more secure in a frig than in a cruiser atm. Maybe getting lvl 3 cruiser and a Moa would change that 
Fly safe
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Xadian
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Posted - 2004.06.08 17:02:00 -
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maybe because frig with MWDs in almsot untouchable 
Always hit the big red button whenever you get the chance.
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D2O LightWater
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Posted - 2004.06.08 17:26:00 -
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Ive only been playing eve for a couple of months, trained e/w and missiles only. I fly a caracal with 5 heavy launchers packed with cruise, 3 sensor dampners & 1 warp disruptor, 2 cpu enhancers. So far ive took out a megethron & a scorp, with hardly any damage to my armour.
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2004.06.08 17:36:00 -
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i have an alt that flies a caracal quite nicely with only 300k skill points. It can hold something still and unload 5 torps at it. lot of things wont be liking that... :P
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.06.08 21:02:00 -
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The Caracal is totally gimped now. I fought one on chaos with a Blasterax. I honestly didn't know what would happen at first. Then as I got right through his shields it became pretty clear what would happen. Now granted, I was running two thermal armor membranes (I was armor tanked) and he was running wids, but still, he went down fast.
It will be interesting to see how people use Caracals after the patch. I'm sure someone will find a way to put them to use but the days of a Blackbird and Caracal taking down a BS are long gone.
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Zen Jakkaru
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Posted - 2004.06.08 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
The Caracal is totally gimped now. I fought one on chaos with a Blasterax. I honestly didn't know what would happen at first. Then as I got right through his shields it became pretty clear what would happen. Now granted, I was running two thermal armor membranes (I was armor tanked) and he was running wids, but still, he went down fast.
Gimped fighting against a high DoT close range thorax that is totally tanked against its damage type, yes.Gimped in general?I don't think so.. as always in duels, it comes down to setups.
Har-de-fraggin'-har-har!
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.06.08 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Zen Jakkaru
Gimped fighting against a high DoT close range thorax that is totally tanked against its damage type, yes.Gimped in general?I don't think so.. as always in duels, it comes down to setups.
Gimped as in cutting its damage more than in half. If he'd hit me with five cruise missiles instead of five heavy missiles I doubt I would have recovered. But, yeah, ok. Whatever you say, Ace.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.06.09 01:27:00 -
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How about a blackbird for PVP and NPC rat hunting post missile nerf?
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.06.09 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Cruz
How about a blackbird for PVP and NPC rat hunting post missile nerf?
The Blackbird was never an exceptional NPC hunter. You could shield tank it but it can't do much damage.
For PvP it will probably be the same as always, a good jammer and good indy killer (dual MWD, scrambler, etc). That won't change.
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Zen Jakkaru
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Posted - 2004.06.09 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Gimped as in cutting its damage more than in half. If he'd hit me with five cruise missiles instead of five heavy missiles I doubt I would have recovered. But, yeah, ok. Whatever you say, Ace.
You missed the point, Ace. (God i hate patronizing gits)
How can you even begin to compare ship A to ship B, if ship A has modules that cut ship B's damage type in half?
You're winning because of your modules, not your ship.
Har-de-fraggin'-har-har!
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.06.09 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: Alowishus on 09/06/2004 21:22:28
Edited by: Alowishus on 09/06/2004 21:18:05
Originally by: Zen Jakkaru
You're winning because of your modules, not your ship.
On TQ he would have won. I am pretty confident in that. Even with my thermal tanking, had he had thermal cruise missiles or torps he would have won. The simple truth is that he lost because he could only use heavy missiles.
What exactly are you denying? That heavy missiles don't do half the damage of cruise missiles? That only being able to do half the damage of before is not a "gimp"? I don't see your point. What I am telling you is that the Caracal is gimped AFTER the missile patch when Heavy Missile Launchers will no longer be able to use torps or cruise missiles. That's what this whole thread is about, how these ships will compare post missile patch.
I'm not comparing ship A to ship B. I'm comparing ship A now to ship A after the missile patch.
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