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Yelede	Posted - 2008.08.25 22:23:00 - [1] Edited by: Yelede on 25/08/2008 22:24:48 Edited by: Yelede on 25/08/2008 22:24:36 Is there a way in eft or other to see how long a certain ship setup would hold out against a certain ships DPS output? i see the effective HP and such but not sure how to take into account different damage types of ammo and such. Thanks
Sarkiss Caldari Valor Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.25 22:45:00 - [2] Ships Effective Health / DPS = How many seconds alive.. Thats probably the best youll get, it'd be hard to take reppers into consideration
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.25 22:46:00 - [3] Yes, there is, but not in EFT. -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Yelede	Posted - 2008.08.25 22:50:00 - [4] Is there like a different program or do i have to use the maths...
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.25 22:54:00 - [5] Originally by: Yelede Is there like a different program or do i have to use the maths... To do what you want to do (except that I did it for an arbitrary number of ships at a time), I wrote a simulation engine for Eve. It worked, but I am currently unhappy with the results. I think I'm going to make the next version use plotting software to make pretties. The engine takes fit, range, transversal (naively, it doesn't support "juking" maneuvers or matching transversal), alpha, ROF, shield recharge, repping, ammo limits, etc into account. I do believe I've taken EFT whoring where no man has gone before. ;-) -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.08.25 22:54:00 - [6] Originally by: Yelede Is there like a different program EvE. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Scathain Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.25 22:55:00 - [7] Edited by: Scathain on 25/08/2008 22:55:11 Yes the program exists and has for quite some time. its called EVE Online. Damn Cpt, didnt see all ready beat me to it. =============================================== Oh Noes!!1!oNe
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.25 22:57:00 - [8] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Yelede Is there like a different program EvE. Haha, I set that up on purpose... but in the end, that's an expensive way (time wise) to figure out how long you'll last. ;-) -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
JohnDeere	Posted - 2008.08.25 22:57:00 - [9] Wait, theres more than EFT?! lies....
Shardrael Caldari Titan Industries Technology Team	Posted - 2008.08.25 22:58:00 - [10] there is this magical place we call the test server that people use to test things. just make your way to the main system and there are tons of battlegrounds and fully seeded markets where you can get anything that is available through the market for 10 isk each.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.25 23:01:00 - [11] Originally by: Shardrael there is this magical place we call the test server that people use to test things. just make your way to the main system and there are tons of battlegrounds and fully seeded markets where you can get anything that is available through the market for 10 isk each. I know, I use it regularly. The problem there is the availability of faction mods (and YES I actually own a half dozen disruptors), and have you ever asked in local for 20 minutes for someone with a Artypest fit with PP to shoot you? And then you've got all the jerks that come fit with full crystal implants... yeah, great way to test the real game. -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.08.25 23:07:00 - [12] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Yelede Is there like a different program EvE. Haha, I set that up on purpose... It was still totally irresistible I still find EFT quite useful with some manual adjustments to the numbers, because of its ease of use and the fact I cannot be arsed to make a equivalent tool which has all the nifty options for changing ship fits and implants in a hurry Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
EFT Warrior	Posted - 2008.08.25 23:35:00 - [13] EFT should only be used to boost my e-peen or get a good idea of how you'll never compare to me.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.25 23:38:00 - [14] Originally by: EFT Warrior EFT should only be used to boost my e-peen or get a good idea of how you'll never compare to me. Nice, let me send you this nice patch, it's guaranteed enlargement... -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.25 23:47:00 - [15] Didn't Quickfit used to be able to do this? I remember a nice little 'Simulation' bit which would give you a real-time thing of your cap drainage, cap boosters, etc and gave a better picture than EFT. - Infectious -
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.25 23:50:00 - [16] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Didn't Quickfit used to be able to do this? I remember a nice little 'Simulation' bit which would give you a real-time thing of your cap drainage, cap boosters, etc and gave a better picture than EFT. Similar, yes. Not exactly what the OP is wanting, IIRC. -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
MalVortex Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.08.26 01:11:00 - [17] Waiiiit..... Theres a game? I thought I was paying for the forum whoring subscription!
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.08.26 02:10:00 - [18] Originally by: MalVortex Waiiiit..... Theres a game? I thought I was paying for the forum whoring subscription! Yeah, you start to wonder at times ;) Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Shardrael Caldari Titan Industries Technology Team Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.08.26 03:09:00 - [19] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Shardrael there is this magical place we call the test server that people use to test things. just make your way to the main system and there are tons of battlegrounds and fully seeded markets where you can get anything that is available through the market for 10 isk each. I know, I use it regularly. The problem there is the availability of faction mods (and YES I actually own a half dozen disruptors), and have you ever asked in local for 20 minutes for someone with a Artypest fit with PP to shoot you? And then you've got all the jerks that come fit with full crystal implants... yeah, great way to test the real game. -Liang tbh I didnt mean to go solo and hope to get cooperation from other people, I figured it went without saying. what I mean is go on there with a couple friends make an afternoon of it or something and test all that you can imagine
Rajere No Trademark Obsidian Empire	Posted - 2008.08.26 06:43:00 - [20] Edited by: Rajere on 26/08/2008 06:43:58 you can use EFT to compare your setup vs various weapons, or versus a single damage type. Sadly you cannot apply multiple ships into the mix. Right click on the defence area and go to custom profiles. First create profiles for each damage type by plugging in a 1 for EM and name it EM, next do 1 in kinetic and name it kinetic, etc etc etc. Then plug in the damage listed on the various ammo types (ie laser crystals are a range of EM-Thermal), antimatter is pretty much identical across the board, the various projectile ammos, etc. Damage profiles I load up are Multi, Scorch, Antimatter, Hail, Barrage, EMP, PP, Fusion. The profiles you create are percentages, so the damage numbers vary from small-med-large, faction, etc, but generally the ratios are the same. NOTR How to Fail at Eve
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.26 06:58:00 - [21] Originally by: Rajere Edited by: Rajere on 26/08/2008 06:43:58 you can use EFT to compare your setup vs various weapons, or versus a single damage type. Sadly you cannot apply multiple ships into the mix. Right click on the defence area and go to custom profiles. First create profiles for each damage type by plugging in a 1 for EM and name it EM, next do 1 in kinetic and name it kinetic, etc etc etc. Then plug in the damage listed on the various ammo types (ie laser crystals are a range of EM-Thermal), antimatter is pretty much identical across the board, the various projectile ammos, etc. Damage profiles I load up are Multi, Scorch, Antimatter, Hail, Barrage, EMP, PP, Fusion. The profiles you create are percentages, so the damage numbers vary from small-med-large, faction, etc, but generally the ratios are the same. This approach has several downfalls. Drone damage: A Harby does alot more Thermal damage because Hammerhead II's than you'd really expect from this approach. If you're going to do this, you have to create a damage profile for each ship to include drone damage. Sig Radius/Resolution/Transversal/Velocity: For example, an AB AF receives very very little damage from heavy drones because of the combination of transversal and sig radius vs resolution. Continuous vs Alpha Damage: The most extreme examples of this are looking at the DDD as doing 400 DPS vs 70K alpha, but a less obvious example is a Tach Abaddon alpha striking your shields below peak recharge. Well, it's not that I don't use this, but you really need to be careful when doing it. -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Wil Smithx Minmatar Suns Of Korhal	Posted - 2008.08.26 07:05:00 - [22] Just do the maths dude its not hard, but tbh you cant take eve into account just like that, without taking into account tracking sig radius pilot (in game) ability at navigation ecm you could take an average but it wouldn't be at all representative of real numbers. Anyways the ''easy way'' to do the maths: damage per second * time = damage = EHP + (repair per second * time) rearanged: (DPS - repair/s)*t = EHP and again: EHP/(DPS - repair/s) = t in seconds And obviously if the value is negative you havent killed them before you have started shooting...
the member Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2008.08.26 07:06:00 - [23] - open both setups you want to compare - file -> New DPS Graph - rc on white square -> add attacker - rc on white square -> add target im not sure if that's what you've been looking, though. Quote: "You're obviously from France." -- Intel CEO Paul Ottelini
Wil Smithx Minmatar Suns Of Korhal	Posted - 2008.08.26 07:13:00 - [24] Originally by: the member - open both setups you want to compare - file -> New DPS Graph - rc on white square -> add attacker - rc on white square -> add target im not sure if that's what you've been looking, though. No I believe it wasn't but that would give a better representation of the dps your likely to deal/have dealt to you...
Tolsimir Wolfblood Angeli Iustitiorum	Posted - 2008.08.26 07:29:00 - [25] I always take my new EFT fittings and test them on the test server. As always though your skill points wont be as high on the test server as they are in the actual game.
Rajere No Trademark Obsidian Empire	Posted - 2008.08.26 09:59:00 - [26] tbh there's very little variation across the various weapon systems (maybe +/- 10%), if you find that there is, you've left a massive resist hole in your fit and should fix it asap. The greatest variation is when you look at your EHP vs a single resist, typically when determining how many DD's your HIC can take before dying. For example, the Phobos can eat 4 Kinetic's 2 therms but only 1 EM or Explosive. NOTR How to Fail at Eve
Chillshock	Posted - 2008.08.26 10:41:00 - [27] EvE - the graphical frontend to EFT ?
Crellion Art of War	Posted - 2008.08.26 12:09:00 - [28] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Yelede Is there like a different program or do i have to use the maths... To do what you want to do (except that I did it for an arbitrary number of ships at a time), I wrote a simulation engine for Eve. It worked, but I am currently unhappy with the results. I think I'm going to make the next version use plotting software to make pretties. The engine takes fit, range, transversal (naively, it doesn't support "juking" maneuvers or matching transversal), alpha, ROF, shield recharge, repping, ammo limits, etc into account. I do believe I've taken EFT whoring where no man has gone before. ;-) (Edit: "or woman, or child for that mater...") -Liang Fxd Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.

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