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Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.26 20:39:00 - [1] Edited by: Shosoru on 26/08/2008 20:40:09 If you want to sell a character and want to know how much you can expect, if you want to buy one and want to know if it is worth the isk or if you want to make Isk with reselling of characters you might find this information handy. The Pipeline New players want to have an acceptable character if they don't have the time to train from scratch, so they buy GTC from CCP and sell them for Isk to advanced players. A 60day gtc gos for 400m and costs 30Ç a PS3 game costs 70Ç so its no problem buying 3-4 GTC for a new player. With ~1.6bill he can get a nice 8m-sp toon to start with. ~6-8m-sp is not an nber chara but just right for a beginner with a month or two experience. Advanced players are happy they get there GTC and can play the game practically for free, why quit something thats free? CCP is happy. The new player gets his toon and is happy , CCP gets 20Ç transfer fee and is happy. The new player wants his own avatar picture and pays the 10Ç to be more happy , CCP is happy. Players that are "skilled out" start a new character or buy an half trained one and skill that one instead of their main, sell that toon and get good isk for nuthing->happy. Market experts start new characters on separate accounts and only pay every second month for training them and make good isk -Happy. Many toons being dealt make advanced players that need a specialist happy and CCP very happy. At the end everyone wins. DONT REPLY YET NOT FINISHED POSTING KAY ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.26 20:41:00 - [2] Edited by: Shosoru on 26/08/2008 20:54:06 How much is a Character worth That always depends on the market situation and how many players offer the same product that you have. it is also imported to think of your target audience for that character. Ruffly you can say the worth of an character is its amount of skill points in millions times 200million isk i consider this a ratio of 0.2 b/m finding out the ratio of a character is allot more difficult then just that, does the character have: -good or bad standings -fittings and stuff laying around -his implants and clones -expensive skills -corp history -is he trained strait or cross -was the character in use or just for setting skills in a station -a high bounty (if its allot you should grab it yourself before putting him on auction ) -positive wallet? (once i got one with more isk then i spend on him in his wallet ^^ gave it back courses but always doable check before selling) -his avatar picture -and his name Some of those things are applied to the b/m others are applied separately. To figure out a more accurate ratio you sum up the sp in ,for the pilots main purpose, relevant skills and calculate: the sp in relevant skills * the ratio for relevant skills (at the time of this post its about 0.22-0.23 depending on the toons roll) Now you look at the skills that have not been calculated and judge buy good human sens how much they might be worth, if those non primary skills are of use and are skilled high enough to do that secondary roll good they are considered being worthy (~0.16-0.225) if the job they do is of little use they are considered less worthy (~0.16-0.0). This might be confusing to follow so i will make an example. Let us call the toon for this example Lola. Lola is a Gallente PvP pilot and really only good for PvP and some of her skills are the following Gallente BS V (2msp) Caldary BS V (2msp) Industrial V (1msp) Heavy Drones V 2m Engineering stuff 3m Mechanic stuff 1m Electronic stuff 0.3m Industry stuff 4m Science stuff How to approach this. You fined the imported stuff , Gallente BS V, Heavy Drones V and calculate them with ~0.225, then you move on and think that Caldary BS is pretty much useful since Rook uses Hybrid and apply that with ~0.21-0.22. the industrial is useful somehow but not really something you need or want so why pay for it as much as something that would have been more useful, you apply it with ~0.15-0.19. 3m in mechanics you consider being a specialization and calculate that with 0.22-0.225 but 1m electronics is more "normal" so you would calculate that with 0.2-0.215.. 300k sp industry is useless so you calc 0.15-0.0 and 4m Science , though nothing to do with pvp has its use somehow so you would consider that 0.2ish. 2m engineering are considered being something you want to have and almost complet so its a 0.215 so one would pay Gallente BS V (2msp) -0.45b Caldary BS V (2msp) -0.43b Industrial V (1msp) -0.16b Heavy Drones V(1.28) -0.32b 2m Engineering stuff -0.43b 3m Mechanic stuff -0.67b 1m Electronic stuff -0.21b 0.3m Industry stuff -0.02b 4m Science stuff -0.8b ----------------------------------------- 3.06bill isk for those 15m sp == 0.204 b/m ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.26 20:42:00 - [3] Don't think thats it. Everything that has to do with Isk is applied afterwards, it doesn't mater if you have +5 imps in a 5Msp or an 50Msp character they only cost so much. [i consider in my calculations things as +2/3 implants and clone insurance to be "normal" and thats something that isn't calculated on top of the ratio.] things like random ship parts all over the place or in low/0.0 sec are worth alot less then the market price. capitals however mostly value as mutch as thay cost new minus ~10%+ for the trouble of geting em out of the system thay are in. good organized highsec equipment is worth a bit more but not over 60-70% of the market value but if its organized it probably wount get sould with the character so you can expect that if an auchtion contains "my awsom character comes with atleaas a billion isk worth of awsom stuff" that means the stuff is evrywear in space and you'd earn more isk mining then geting that stuff together and to jita. Standings are also something that can increas or decreas a characters worth. you usualy only consider standings relevent to lvl 4+ missions and those needed to pas threw systems. Lola has standings of +8 to amarr and can do all amar lvl4s so that makes her worth more. Lola dide for the amarr some galente kill missions and has -4 to gallente ....thats bad so youd waige the standings ruffly and make a price you think is resonable for yor characters job [the standings of a pvp toon are not worth as much as the standings of a mission runner toon] In ower market situation nowdays standings usualy make a diference of not more then 300mil and are often not even considerd. If your character rely has good standings then mention them as a top feture in your auction and you can get a good amount of isk more for you toon. At the end apply some comon sense and marketing stratagie and you have a good idea of whot you might get for your character. As start bid you should take this price and go -10-20% , as buy out +10-20% or offers. but mostly you will get something in the calculated range. [Tip: if you want to bid on a character, try doing it after he got bumped up, don't want to give free bumps] [Tip: if you want to sell a character, have him bumped at 20:00-22:00 central europ time and at 21:00-21:30 midel american time ] Subtopic Trust: As a seller you want to be trustworthy, many potential buyers wont be interested in your auction if you canot pruf that you are actually selling the character, if you disobay or ignore some of the Character Bazaar Rules or ask way to little or way to mutch for your toon or simpaly act foolisch and rued on the forums. - ineve.net is your frend ! - screenshots and text are not your frends - always vertify that the character is your character buy posting with him in your auction. Don't forget to post with the resiver of the Isk aswell. - always post if your wallet is green or red. - be polite even if someone insults you. Selling multipal characters: I recomand one character per therad, you have a better overvew and you have better titel options. If you do sell them in theyr own thread be shure to link your other auctions, that has also to do with trust. If you insist on sellinge them all in one thread vertify buy posting with evry of the auctioned characters. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.26 20:44:00 - [4] How to ger ritch with character dealing. thear are 3 attemps on how you can make Isk with this. It is importend to have read the pipeline section to understand thins betetr. attemp 1 Training an alt toon on your main account. you either start a new one or (recomanded) buy one with good learnings for cheap and skill him strait to one pourpos. There is always a need for good beginer characters but also a spezialisation character such as a starebase deffens spezialist or a small ship spezialist are also asked for and do to the few that are on sail thay get a good price for their skills. No compatition pressing the price. attemp 2. this attemp is much like attemp one but you skill your character on an seperat account that you pay only evry second month. the subscribed month you skill small skills and the month you are inactiv you put in a loong one. This method is good for capital pilots or battleship pilots, smallship spezialists/research/starbasse defens etc etc are based on skills with a 2-4 times modifyer not on 5-10 that you wud want for attemp2. attemp 3 you see a good offer , a cheap one but his learnings suck , or he is ok but has some crostrained stuff uncompleated. one two skills are not maxed that need to be maxed for him to be able to do sumthing ........ you buy him, train them and sell him on a loong runn for a rather "high" price, eventualy someone will make an offer that makes it worth your time and 20Ç transfer fee. I made a lot of spelling mistakes and would appreciate it is someone could spell correct it i'm not from an English country. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.26 20:56:00 - [5] i am doing that right now , but a spell checker wont fix all, pleas have 10 min patient i'm fixing it .... just wanted it all posted before somebody replied ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.27 02:09:00 - [6] Id put her on 4.2 start and a 5.5b b/o or offer. you can expect 4.4-4.9bill for her , really a nice character tbh She is seldom being so strait foreword but there are characters with ~30m sp that have those skills too and some "usual stuff" and those go for for not much more then 6-6.5. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.27 03:55:00 - [7] Edited by: Shosoru on 27/08/2008 04:01:18 Thats a tuff one. It rely depends if someone is searching for exactly that but i assume you will get 4-4.3b, that is do to it being a good miner and howler but if someone need a howler he can get one for ~2.5b or an miner for ~2b the 2m research are a nice plus but the potential buyer might not want that.and you have about 0.5m sp that are useless. So either you find 2 buyers that are looking for exactly that and outbid each other or you'l get 0.19-0.2 b/m for it. Nice character though, nice and strait^^ i wish you luck and id put the reserve up to 4b. You can put the B/O up high say 5b and take offers. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.27 15:58:00 - [8] Edited by: Shosoru on 27/08/2008 15:58:16 Catalina Wings 5.6 \| startid 5b \| b/o 6.5b or offer Nitalya 9.3 \| bo >11b Kar Sagitarum 3.2 \| b/o 4 -much charisma Modok Strongsauce your auction is exactly rite, you have about 30m sp useful and an other 1.5 are ok so you'l get about 7.5 if you'd have a reserve id put it to 7(6.5 if you need the money) but you don't so don't worry about it to much , 6bill start bid is ok but a bit low- well someone will bid DaHarMasterKor 4.5 \| bo 5.5 (if you get a 5b bo offer take it) btw pleas give me a feedback if my predictions are precise or not. Its a tuff market and its better not to sell something too cheap. DeJaView: ill do one character for you shortly, i just got home so im a bit ..... there are so many characters out there with different skills etc it is not easy to gouge how much one is worth, sometimes you just need to fined someone with billions off isk that is looking for your character and your toon that is worth ~5b gets sold for ~7b other times no one wants your toon and you'l have to go down or just not sell.... for good estimate you also need to follow the markets , look at wot stuff is been sold for even of those jobs that are not of your interest. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:18:00 - [9] i actually don't use my guides method, with time you'l get eye for it. my guides method is for those ho don't know the market that well and want to get an good idea of wot to expect no mater how precise you calculate your character with my guide wot you will get in the end can not be predicted 100% clearly. your character is a good main character and useful for any bigger corporation (fleet) or mission runner id say you get over 7bill so i would make an start bid of 6.5-7 to show that you are resolute and a b/o of not to much more. About 8 bill. If you have the time don't bargain to much with b/o offers , you want to get close to your b/o and im sure you will get 7.5++bill b/o if you take a the time and make a good auction post-trustworthy and friendly. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.27 19:19:00 - [10] Edited by: Shosoru on 27/08/2008 19:22:33 R2RBuster 8.5 start bid 7.8-8 \| b/o 9 Morkt Drakt Oo that thing douse not apply to my guide ^^ its beyond - it appears characters with over 60m sp are soled without clear schema. I can only give you advise on how to sell those two but cant tell you what you will get. Morkt Drakt is awesome and perfect in all his jos. characters of 60b go from 14-20b those of 70 from 16-24 and those of 80 from 18-26 you cant judge them the usual way cos they are almighty in everything. Id make a start bid of 15b for him and a hidden reserve, just see what you get. Same gos for Tehel Necrona just i would make the start bid to 14b. of topic Edit AHHHH i got suicide pod killed in 0.5 while on autopilot ^^ lol goda love eve ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.27 23:20:00 - [11] Edited by: Shosoru on 27/08/2008 23:20:51 Dray I VERY appreciate your opinion of the market it is all true. I am very glade for every opinion , everything helps the community. I still think there are too many that fear making this market clearly visible can ruin there business.shake head Penthesilee Really good attributes. Nothing too exclusive thb but i think her skill points cover all the basic pvp/pve areas and good HAC. I like that she has some drone skills, useful for every class but to often forgotten by Caldary. Start bid 6 reserve 6.7(hidden) bo 7.5 don't accept b/o offers. I assume you'll get 7 for her but if your not in a hurry put the b/o to 8 and the reserve to 7 and you might get more. Id say she is a typical Caldary main pilot, not too interesting as missionhower for an advanced pvp player for she has no phoenix skills which are sometimes wanted for pos ware. But for a miner seeking for salvation or someone searching a main she is useful. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.28 01:46:00 - [12] regarding your attributes. that depends on what you have skilled so fare. If you have nber perception and will but have skilled all spaceship command gunnery etc up high then its bad for sails. however if you have most important engineering/electronics/mechanic's/drones/etc and have allot of spaceship/gunnery still to skill then your attributes are worth allot. In your case you have too few int and mem skills but a few big spaceship command and gunnery still to skill so its not to bad. You have way to little drone skills for a pirate -.- drones are your friends skill em. No BS V and a bit cross skilled. all in all not looking too good, however with about 6-8m sp more you have a fine character there. I personally think the combination minmatar gallente with minmatar main is not too wise, minmatar caldary would be better but that doesn't matter. you standings .. the interesting part, they do not make your character worth less- only the amount of potential buyers is dramatically decreased and the fact that you cant enter empire makes your characters worth decrease a bit too ... your potential buyers just expect such a character to be a little less expensive. I would consider him something special since he flys for pirates. I also flew for serpentis and i tell you its a pain getting the standings up - he should be worth more cos of that but unfortunately he isn't. You might get 5.5+ bill for him but it will take a while to find a buyer. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.28 20:27:00 - [13] Since more p.c. threads appeared im giving it a bump. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.28 23:36:00 - [14] ah Bianca Dupree the "prostitute" ^^ she had many guys posses her XD (referring to this) I knew i have seen that avatar before.... 5.5 \| start bid 5+ \| B/O take offers, offers close to 6 would be nice so you might want to say 6.3 pplz always try to bargain. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.29 17:19:00 - [15] monomatic nice gunnery. Your stats are not so good. _ber will+per is nice but you still want some int and mem because you will be skilling alot of those skills - don't worry about that, many think those states are good and you still have allot of spaceship command to skill so that makes it ok. You got a bit cross skilled and thats with your amount of sp not good. You can't pilot too much ships atm but that can be fixed in a month or two. Your drone skills suck and thats wen the little memo hurts allot, there are only ~2-3m sp needed for drones but those skills are lvl5 and it will be so boring to skill em but overall you'll be a good pilot soon. And your potential buyers will be rather happy with that character (cos they don't know it better -.-). Ho ever wants him will need some of time to get him good ~8m sp. Id say you can get a bit over 3bill. (Names should start with a capital letter. small written names are not so cool but don't effect his worth) Rishun Munnar good stats, to little learnings (skill them up) good beginner character for missionruners but those learnings need to be put to at least 1.5m sp or 2msp. Train him 1 more month and you can get a little more isk i think it would be worth it. If your subscription ends now and you have the time put in BS or Cruiser V and the learnings wen reactivated, if your subscription ends in a few days and you have time then skill perception (and will) up and then put the BS or Cruiser skill V in , the rest of the learnings wen you reactivate him. If you need the cash soon you might get about 2b. you mite even only get 1.8 but i think that there are pplz looking for such a pilot around so make the start bid 1.8 no reserve no B/O (or offers and accept only really good offers 2.2+) ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.30 23:25:00 - [16] Edited by: Shosoru on 30/08/2008 23:25:44 Oliver Superior Cant say i like that name too too much but the character is really good(i approve of the term you used^^ ) and you can expect 7.3b+. Well i wouldn't sell him cheaper. Set a high B/O and accept offers , i think someone like you knows exactly what he wants for his character. Sodee Your Spaceship Command skills are a bit odd. a little cross nothing 4-8m sp cant fix. you will get over 5.7b set the start bid to ~5.5b and the b/o to 6.2b or a bit higher if you like, they always bargain. Good Luck to both. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.01 20:34:00 - [17] Sorry i was away for a day, went fishing, fell asleep- storm came - was still asleep ^^ thx for the bump. Viggen I can not predict how much isk you will get for your character that depends on the buyers but it is allot to say the least. Let me give you some links on the way. having 80m sp douse not mean pplz will be able to pay thats why if you get unlucky you might have to try it a second time or third time. It depends on what those few rich players are looking for but i am pretty shore your character will find interest. Link 1:Failed Link 2:success but a bit cheap, could have gotten a little more what i want to say is that you just have to try and see what you get. You will get over 25b if you are not in a total rush to sell him id say you might get a 30b b/o but how knows maybe two will battle over him and you'll get even more. Don't sell him under price, take your time. (has absolutely noting to do with his pc or worth but why not minmatar frig V ? > hound would be cool, 1em 2exp and close range. Not into frigs? huh ><) I will EDIT the other PC hear, in this reply - don't worry
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.01 21:58:00 - [18] Ramiel Wayfarer An easy one. I like how he is skilled, you didn't forget the drone skills, over 6m in gunnery without! L T2 is nice. Cant say that he has any w8sted skills at all. He only needs 6m more to master his specialties but atm he can fly them good enough. Id say you can get 5.5 don't sell him under 5 (reserve 5b+) B/O 6.2 and offers. Don't accept offers too quickly you are looking for over 5.8 when getting offers. I have no doubt you will get your start bid or reserve but with enough time you can raise the reserve and start bid a bit and see. Recons Ops and HAC aren't so seldom and buyers can get much more sp for the buck but some will pay for the straitness of your chara, be resolute if you have the time.
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.02 11:36:00 - [19] Hitaki Slasza Mining and pvp don't go together that well but with 48m sp its ok. You have most relevant mining skills and an good amount of pvp so your character is a combat ready miner. your customers are those how want a miner as main character with a few good pvp. Jump fritter is interesting as well but you lack a few "normal" skills. Your production skills are not leet but for cruiser and frigs good enough. The only problem is that you have too many things half perfect. over 10b+ , start bid 9.5, bo 15 or offer. Angel Violette Interesting name. Not so usual picture. why so little drone skills ? why only 1m mechanics ? howler stuff. BS IV . rest ok. 6.5 , start 6 , b/o 7 or a bit higher if you want more offers. industrial monkey 2.6+ Love Shine She has the spaceship command but not the necessary skills to support them. ~3.6 , start bid 3.4 , b/o 4+ TavroJ Good character, to little spaceship command but drones and gunnery is up and thats more important. 5b+ start bid 4.8 , b/o 5.5
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.02 12:51:00 - [20] Draithia Armanza Assault ships V ???? 1.8 , start bid 1.6 , b/o 2 this character is not very good but a low b/o can get you some extra isk Loki Dread has nuthing and little learnings but its an ok starter character that can do basic things. Not bad for a new player at all. 1.1 , start bid 0.9 , b/o 1.25
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.02 19:24:00 - [21] Originally by: Hitaki Slasza Ok tyvm for the reply. Should i just fix the current skills or specialise more towards something else? hes close to capships and rorq. No your just fine. Investing some time to make him a little better is not worth it you'll get not much more isk unless you invest half a year and if that is worth it ? u would definitely get more isk in half a year if you'd buy some t2bpo's or invest the isk elsewhere. You can sell him the way he is. Cap ship skills are almost met, if you have some subscription left you should bring them to III-IV just to look a bit better. industrial monkey Sorry for no info with my last post. Your newforum link is not working correctly. If you re post it i'll give you a feedback. I cant see the skills on your in eve either but from their distribution he looks like a normal industrial character. Just post me a working link and ill be sure to give you the feedback what you want. queen najazer Your character has to much sp to predict prices. Amare with such high sp are not offered often so that a plus but your character is not bound to1 job and therefor wont get record prices. I can only give you the tip to make a start of something over 20b and a b/o of over 30b and offers , i think you will get over 24b but buy how much you get over ....? Don't panic if your first sell attempts fail. BTW your learnings are low ^^ 70m sp but 2m learnings >< Retep Ecnirp whats with the Asult ships V .. very basic skills. with 13.7m you could have focused more on a smaller job but the character is fine. start 2.7 \| b/o 3.15 I think you'll get over 2.85 Morgassana Awesome leadership. 3 race command ship . Can use a mill more in drones but ells a really nice character. If you have the time sell him expensive.-> You can get over 10b \| start 9.5 \| b/o 11 Dally Not bad. Little low on gunnery and drones . over 4.6b \| start 4.4 \| b/o 5.1 or offer. [the interest in p.c. is growing i hardly get to play ><] ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.02 21:56:00 - [22] Quote: Cap skills will boost the character by about 75% of the skill cost, but about 125% at lvl 4 and damn near 150-175% for lvl 5. You cant generalize that so easy. A character with 50m sp worth 11b isn't worth 16b for cap ships 4 . A pilot with 40m sp and without cap ship sometimes is more worth then one with caps for he can actually be good at something and not be half ok with many things. A cap specialist is often wanted by highsec carebears cos they don't know how boring caps are if you can't pilot anything els good. Then again there are characters that handle cap and bs/cruisers good and they are worth a little more but not 75%. There is also a complicated difference between an "skilling character" thats one that is used for a month and then not for an other month - for those cap skills V are no problem at all but they mostly lack small skills v they have few lvl 1 and 2 skills to V but many 5-10 to V . Those are less worth a little bit less. What i want to say is that for some characters cap skills make an significant difference in worth and others they don't make a such big difference. The rest is just as Dr Progenitor seas. I'll give you guys a pc soon but for now i'm playing eve. If someone wishes to contact me im reachable under the character name Cap Tyrian. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.03 00:37:00 - [23] Oh i totally misunderstood you. Sorry no offense m8. I'll be giving you all your p.c. in about 6h then i'll have time.
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.03 07:21:00 - [24] MyFixItGuy Not much to say. 11.5b \| start 10.5 \| b/o 14 or offer HazyShade You have a little less spaceship command. 2.4 \| start 2.3 \| b/o 2.7 or higher if you want more offers. Mr Marcus a bit cross but has his sues and with 27m sp he is still young = cheaper then other characters with those jobs. 5.8 \| start 5.6 \| b/o 6.1 Iluminat When you link your character sheet you might want to link the skill page and not the start page, you wont believe how many eve players don't know of the link buttons next to your avatar. Your industry skills aren't so good but don't hurt either. 12.5b+ \| start 11.5+ \| b/o 15b or offers Greyson Wolfe 1. Your learnings aren't good enough. 2. If you have the time and can wait about 3-4 more month you can make a fine little isk farmer character out of him with a little above 15m sp and get 3.8~4b easy(if you do it right). atm he is about 2.4b \| start 2.25 \| b/o 2.7 ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.04 12:12:00 - [25] Khan Ruul No drone skills? 7.7 \| start 7.4 \| b/o 8.15 Rellana1 To little learnings. Little spaceship command but she's a miner so its ok. 3.73 \| start 3.7 \| b/o 3.85 Allard Blackheart "only been podded 2 times in pvp" whats your secret ? I've been poded twice this month one in high and one in lowsec buy smartymegas ^^. Sentry Drone Interfacing V is a bit odd but not useless. Kronos is not necessary for a pirate character. If you get your sec up it can be nice tho. Weight, i just noticed your mechanics suck, skill them they need 400k sp more. Repair Systems V compensations IV command ship V is nice -you have no socials for that but the ship is nice enough. if you skill them mechanics Start 6 \| res. 6.15-6.2 \| b/o 6.5+ A very good pvp character if you ask me. I thought i have seen him once in an auction not a week ago but i cant find it so it might was another character with similar skills. if you can't sell him (not likely) convo me i might have a trade Koroz Too cross skilled. 2.4 \| start 2.4 \| b/o 2.7 or offer jj74 This character is interesting , BS V, BC V, Exumers V, Frighter V Oo and he was supposed to be a interdicter pilot LOL. You cant really pilot BS or BC at all nor can you use drones but you can mine ... This character is a difficult one. He is somehow cool but then again has many skills that have no true use yet. And his learnings are low. Id say 6.75+ \| start 6.64 \| b/o 7.4 or offers Your freighter skills are worth allot. Kutul Capital Ship Construction V -nice , Exumers V, frighetr 4 good industry stuff. If you hve the time to sell him expensive (buy those skills you should sell him over time for much) start 6.4 \| res 6.8+ \| b/o 7.2 or offers otherwise a little (tiny) bit less
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.04 22:51:00 - [26] My internet is not working Oo dam it , i'm at an internet cafT so i can only go into the most importent things atm. 1. Koroz im very sorry, thx that you pointed out my mistake. Your character is not cross skilled i just copy pasted the wrong sentence out or my spelling help tool. Your character just doesn't have anything special yet. There are more "useful" 12m sp characters. his price is about a bit over 2.4 the prices are correct. 2.Shootem Dead YES IT Worked! /me happy . You are pretty close and you have 2 implants per clone - wise ,very wise. However i see your straightforwardness and your mission skills a bit more then you have but you are close to a good start bid. I wont make it public without your permission- thats the power of isk ^^ 3.The Isk Question. Many asked me why i don't char nice shiny isk for my time. Let me settle this, i am a capitalist but i cant charge fore my opinion, it might not be liked buy the customer and furthermore i don't want to make the customer happy buy telling him that he is skilled good and worth allot so he pays me better - i'm not like that. I want to say that something sucks and tell my honest opinion , sometimes i just don't know how much a character is worth. Thats very difficult with 60+m sp characters, i only know some builds average prices. There are not so many soled and i can't charge for not knowing can i. And lastly .... i'd make more isk mining, honestly it can take a while, if i consider this my business i'd be making bad isk/effort XD so i don't. I very appreciate donations and those how pay what they think is right in case of me having helped them - thats like positive feedback. If someone wants my opinion via eve mail i do that too but for that i expect getting whatever thT thinks my mail is worth. Thats because if everyone requested mails my thread has less use as reference to others but i understand why some want it mailed, telling sails strategies can be negative when selling a specialized character for thT's few customers could see my opinion and try to squeeze the b/o down. bottom line: Its Free. [thT=a random person selling a character] ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.05 00:26:00 - [27] Edited by: Shosoru on 05/09/2008 00:26:13 Ora Marva The isk comes with the b/o offers , its all about how to make a b/o so that the offers are good. What happens when you start bid is to high or to low or your b/o is to high - pplz will start making bids below your start bid or small b/o, and don't forget the ratio for the skills is at 2-2.25 (i mostly tend to be over 2.2 only buy useless skills or heavy cross it gos down to 2) that douse not include standings assets (now it will include cap skills but it hasn't real before) so you see its just the layout of the skills and if a character has exceptional good skills or very many sp those "usual average" rules do not apply that way. b/o prices are mostly in the 2.5-2.8 regions but that can go up or down depending on the sails strategy and the time reasonable to invest for the sail of a individual character. And pleas not i have no profit of this and i have no secret alt that makes profit of this etc. One more tip to all sellers. You mustn't except b/o immediately , it is often wise to wait a day before replying. I have to update the guide tomorrow a few things have come to my mined that need to be added. the guide as intended for not so high skilled characters to keep it more simple but it appears to me it is needed to make it to a guide for all sp. I will compose a reference link section as soon as i fined the time. Ora MarvaThis thread is also for discussion and it is not the shosorus pc thread but a pc and discussion thread of all and posts as yours are appreciated. Goal is to get light into the dark, and character bazaar is very dark.
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.06 15:07:00 - [28] Ok I can now go threw all your characters , i have to cut down my comments a bit cos the work has piled up 12charac -.- this can take a while. Xing Tu Interesting and seldom encrypter however the request of such a character is not to big atm, and your learnings are to low, that really hurts. He's more the type of character you put on an account with an other character and don't train him. start 2.4 \| b/o 3 or offer \| res 2.55 Jin-Mei Try getting Drone Interfacing to IV, and the armor compensations to IV (they take 6days) atm he is start 3 \| b/o 3.6 \| res 3.25 ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.06 18:27:00 - [29] Thank you Jaeith Fallswith for your donation. Jetcast Looks purity good for 12.5m sp but 394,651 learnings !!!!!! not good at all. And your attributes are not all to good chosen. skill books about 100m start 2.8 \| res no res/hidden \| b/o offers or start 2.8 \| res 2.9ish b/o 3.2ish. you have command ship with those little sp but those learnings hit hard and command ship atm can only be good to command squads not so good as a ship tbh and your leadership skills are still low. as a hac you can do quite good Tetraalo the stats are odd , the memory is not so important after you have most skills regarding memory, a point less mem and one tow more int would be nicer . Drone interfacing 3 -.- if you want to mine you should skill that to IV asap. skill books 1.1 id say shes about 10-11b depending on standings can be worth a bit less. PS you bot 2 charas @ 600m isk each ^^ lucky thats not even worth the 20Ç transfer fee ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.08 15:45:00 - [30] 5n4keyes If you just want a really ruff estimate, beyond 24b + skill books mingerss He has 9 charisma, thats a bit much. skill books ~150m start 5.8b \| res 6ish \| b/o 6.6 MasterOfKarma Mining and pvp with hybrids. well you haven't used to much sp in mining so its still ok. Caldary is asked atm. skill books ~80m start 4.5 \| res 4.7 \| b/o 5 or a bit more. trotsve skills ~500m start 6.4 \| res 6.6 \| b/o 7.2 or offer ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.08 23:11:00 - [31] HawkEye Jenkins Could use some heavy drones. Id sell him somewhere along those lines. Skill books a bit over 1b start 13b \| res 14b ish \| 16b+ or offer Buster Roids good mining alt. straight forward, this on might have a slight bit much learnings depending if the buyer wants him on a free slot of his account, if that is not the case and the buyer is one that wants a miner main hes close to perfect. skill books 40m start 2 \|res 2.1+ \| b/o 2.4 ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.09 01:44:00 - [32] thats why its in the sub topic trust. is juts trustworthier if its done that way. But you are right if you want to reactivate an account with the income you cant post with the receiver. Why is it so wise to post with the receiver of the isk. there are many many names in eve online, it helps to know the avatar picture, the race etc of the receiver so you don't make any critical mistakes. It simply looks trustworthier. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.11 08:42:00 - [33] Edited by: Shosoru on 11/09/2008 08:45:21 Balder Con The second industrial to lvl V is unnecessary but doesn't hurt. learnings are bit low for such a character and your mechanic skills could use a little more love. skill books ~1.5 start 12 \| b/o 14+ or offer Franklin Jeanse He has 2,4m sp at mining barge 180k of 1m so i assume he will have 3.2m sp wen mining barge is at V. Ill say how much he is at 3.2m sp skill books 40m start 700m NowT 79 IDK over 3.5 probably. The terms sume t2 ships and some bs isn't really precise. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.12 17:34:00 - [34] I'm sorry im away for one more day. I'll get to it asap. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.14 13:53:00 - [35] ok im back, was fishing ^^ got a good 57cm barbel rather seldom for my fishing watter. ok lets get to work. industrial monkey 2.9 + skill books worth as start bid (new forum doesn't show the skill books npc prices and i don't have the time atm to calculate everything myself.) b/o 3.5 + skill book worth. Pingu start 10.2m + skillbook prices \| res 10.6 + books \| b/o 12 + books Evil M book prices ~150m start 9 res \| 9.2 \| b/o ~10.3 able akeI Could use some more learnings. start 1.9 \| res 2 \| b/o 2.5 Spynner needs more learnings. books ~700m start 6.8 \| res 7.15 \| b/o 7.5 Minoco (Minoco sounds like a female name to me ^^) some more learnings would be good. start 2.4 + books \| res 2.6 + books \| b/o 2.8 + books Gre gore Good learnings good attributes. can't do to much atm but a good foundation. books 50m, start 2.35 \| res 2.45 \| b/o 2.6 Srioghal moDhream books 1.5b start 9.8 \| res 10+ \| b/o 11 or offer Hishnen Vekell 11 base charisma isn't good. 3 base will isn't good either. start 3 + books \|res 3.15 + books \| b/o 3.45 + books ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.14 17:19:00 - [36] Bayushi Aramoro No Way. So are you gona be at the WC in Karlsruhe m8. A scorpion worships his secrets. I'll tell you ingame "I Can Swim" Kamoonga start 5.7 + books \| res ~5.9+ books \| b/o ~6.6 + books Kithamarr books ~350m start 7.7 \| res 7.9 \| b/o ~8.9 ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.14 22:22:00 - [37] Kamoonga & Zoth Fang its interesting , either they complain my estimates are to cheap or to high ... those prices are ok the way i made them. If you invest the time you will get what i say at least and if you have no time you might not. And if its to high then interested pplz will make offers even offers under the start bid if its to high. My price estimates aren't juts estimates, they are sails strategy. The reason some pplz sell their characters under worth is that they screw up the wta thread or ask for to less and get b/o immediately, or bump wrong or simply are in a hurry to sell. My B/O are set high, becaus pplz make offers and the good money comes with b/o offers , not with the normal auction. If you cant sell your character at the first attempt try again maybe a few isk lower. +Books If you used newForum to post your character i cant see the skill book prices (and i'm to lazy to look them all up). The total skill book's are worth about 60-90% of their ingame cost depending on the books. If you posted with InEvE i can calculate the worth of your skill books for you, if you havent then i'll tell you the price without the skill books and you'll have to calculate them at about 80% of their ingame values to my estimated prices yourself. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.14 22:29:00 - [38] MrWBrown Looks ok to me. ~50m skill books start 3b \| no res \| b/o ~3.5 ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.16 18:44:00 - [39] NowT 79 Skill books 500m start 3.75 \| res 3.85-3.95 \| b/o 4.4 or offer Traveyb aka travey bare the 12year old WoW kid ? Your learnings suck so hard. books ~1.4 start 7b \| res not necessary or ells about 7.2ish \| b/o 7.7ish Love Shack That avatar is so ugly and then a name with love ^^ Those learnings are so bad you need to boost them just as your other character. Other than that she is ok. books ~150m start 3.25 \| b/o 3.6-3.7 Iguanoid if you have the time you can even try selling a bit more expensive then this. books ~1.2b start 10.3 \| res 10.5 \| b/o ~11 Diggs Nova start 2.3-2.4 \| b/o 2.6-2.7 ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.18 22:24:00 - [40] sorry i had real life problems and minor repo problems^^ Ill get right to it. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.19 18:17:00 - [41] BuzMiner Good to hear my name is spreading around. your clone is set up with a set of +4's if you have one with a set of +5's then ad some isk. books 1.2b start 9.7-9.8b \| res ~10b \| b/o ~10.75 Kallias 12 base charisma and then not even good charisma learnings .... why T_T books 1b start 8.5(or slightly less) , res ~8.7 \| b/o 9.4 ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.21 19:41:00 - [42] Edited by: Shosoru on 21/09/2008 19:43:33 Oo so much work in just one day >< What did i sign myself up for !!!! general advise, many have their characters on newforums.nl witch douse not show the skill book npc prices, those must add about 80-90% of their skill books worth on top of the estimate. this will look like this : x billion isk + skill books. those how posted with ineve will see how much i see the skill book value and then my start bid etc prices witch include the value of the skill books. Moses 195th start 4.85 + books \| res ~5 + books (if any) \| b/o 5.3-5.4 + books astowv a set of +5, interesting is mining leadership, other leadership things can come soon so np. with that name you might decrease the amount of interest but there are enough eve pilots that can live with such a name. quite usefull stuf like logistics etc. Caldari Titan Oo (i wanna bet this Chara gets soled to some ebay kid without an alliance >< ) Books 6.4b start 16b \| res ? what you think is right, id say some ware near 17b \| b/o ~18b Endometriosis broken link Darth 3nder Ultra strait foreword, Assault Ships... you did that just for the maxing all your spaceship commands ^^ he is very good at vaga , however it is unsure what will happen to the vaga with new nerfs - tho i cant imagine ccp making vaga useless there are to many how can imagin and those will maybe be a bit more careful when buying a vaga pilot at the moment- however your skills are not only useful for vaga but for many minmatar ships. If you to believe that ccp wont nerf you to muc h you might get more if you w8, if you think they will then sell him asap. books 60m start \| 6b \| res ~6.15 \| b/o ~6.8 Fedaykinn Quote: No plans on selling atm , but would like to get your estimate. Pleas w8 a bit, I'll get to this character tomorrow, if i forget pleas remind me again. sorry. Mar vel 60m -.- those take to long pleas w8. I need a short brake I'll continue in a few minutes ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.21 21:35:00 - [43] havent even finished the last load ^^ still no time atm. For the mean time you guys can enjoy this eve unrilated youtube link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBr98Nji-mA ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.22 21:06:00 - [44] i have eddited those above my last post in my last post TheReal Shyster wtf learnings >< thats nob bad but it takes a long time to have such learnings pay back for them selves, ruffly 15m sp per advanced learning as main attribute to pay back. 9 base charisma. A very strange character tbh, many things maxed that are not "usually" maxed. and no drone skills at all, with that memory those can be skilled fast. books ~300m start ~6.9 \| b/o ~7.7 Breezeonby Quite useful for her sp. books ~100m start 4.7 \| b/o ~5.1 Bethlenea Pirateer Bad memory + all necessary drone skills = good memory , sort of. I'd mention that in her auction. agin, those learnings are good but not all pay back for the time. A very good pilot for many pvpers. Gallente is however not so wise to sell atm. still the fear that blasters get nerfed. books ~130m start ~5.8 \| b/o ~6.2 Fedaykinn round about 8.3-8.6 + books ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.24 07:51:00 - [45] Ellisan And again to good learnings, why no drone skills? amarr have drones to. You'll need mechanical resistance skills, rig skills, shield recharge and amount skill, armor tanks have shield to. The spaceship command is rather impressive however not all are actually useful in combination with your racial skills atm books ~150m start 8.75 \| res ~8.9 \| b/o ~9.75 Gray Digger books less then 50m start 1.7 res 1.75-1.8 \| b/o ~2.1 ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.24 13:30:00 - [46] Keiler : thank you very much i appreciate it. Zeoliter haven't forgotten you , your request just takes a bit longer then usual so i'll do it later. I want to show you this auction, it is made rather well and achieved a good price because it is a bit more fancy and shiny then usual auctions. There are still many things that aren't so perfect but it makes the character look better. i think i shall make a "blue print" of a good layout soon. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.25 18:25:00 - [47] FINALLY MY AVATAR PICTURE IS THERE ^_^/ ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.27 13:04:00 - [48] KtB wers your boddy ^^ very low learnings. books~ 60m start 3.2 \| res 3.3 \| b/o ~3.65 Solo Arthurus Way to low learnings, how did you get 9m spaceship command with 4 base pre and 6 base will >< At least thats a positive thing, some of the hardest to learn are already learned. start 4.05+ books \| res ~4.2 + books \| b/o ~ 4.7-4.8 + books Evolyze Ruffly that third clone has a new price value of 1.2b if that is incorrect adjust the value a bit. "Advanced Weapon Upgrades IV", "Drone Interfacing IV" V is better ^^ learnings could use half a mill more. Rest looks ok books 240m, clones~1b \|\| start ~8.15 \| res 8.25 \| b/o 8.9-9 ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:30:00 - [49] so time to do some estimates. Eve Plumb: Ill do your characters without their assets. Just add those ships and imps on top. all need more learnings. Harney Pickett +5 imps and so little learnings, not that he really needs them but that fact makes the imps worth less. books ~40m start 2.4+ assets Pani tovarnikova books ~250m start ~3.75+ assets Conni Lingus books ~50m start ~1.7 - Penork Nif Too good learnings and almost no spaceship command, much charisma etc but all in all a straight forward character that i assume hasn't been used yet. if you only had him on a station and haven't interacted with him that can be a small bonus if you mention it. books almost nothing. start ~3.5 \| res 3.6+ \| b/o ~3.9
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.01 07:39:00 - [50] Molten Steel books 1.5b start 15 \| res ~16 \| b/o ~22 or offer Maizoon start 6+books \| res 6.15+books \| b/o ~6.85+books Dwimeli A bit cross. books 90m start 5 \| res 5.15 \| b/o ~5.65 ------------------------------ Q: what happens when an EVE player quits EVE to play WOW A: the Average IQ of both goes up
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.04 10:16:00 - [51] BTW im away this weekend and can't do the job till mon./tus. ------------------------------ Q: what happens when an EVE player quits EVE to play WOW A: the Average IQ of both goes up
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.08 13:26:00 - [52] Rattler Morgan So much charisma and no leadership. Do you have a low grade in ? books 1.7 start >15, res 16~17 b/o ~22 and offers Wrathican Amar&Caldary go for a slight bit more atm books + imps 1b? start 10 res ~11.5 b/o ~12 Tokukei Moriwa So little sp isen't worth the 20 Ç transfer fee, a gtc would bring a simulare amunt of isk at only a few Ç more. ...600 mil ------------------------------ Q: what happens when an EVE player quits EVE to play WOW A: the Average IQ of both goes up
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.12 21:45:00 - [53] i usually don't do checks on we but i got a spare min. Edes Fortuna the lowest value of a character is about 600m and this one is just about 600-700m, if you need the isk you'd get almost as much from buying and selling a gtc - character transfer 20Ç + character -> 600m profit, gtc 25Ç -> 500m if you realy dont want the character and do want that extra isk, im shure youl fined a buyer how is willing to give about 700m if you have the patience to w8 els <600m Venri Zod little low on learnings. books ~200m start 2.9 res 3.05 b/o ~3.4 hmind start 1.8 res 1.95 b/o ~2.15 ------------------------------ Q: what happens when an EVE player quits EVE to play WOW A: the Average IQ of both goes up
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.15 20:47:00 - [54] Chewie Soloh very little learnings, a bit cross skilled. start 3+ books res 3.2+ books b/o ~3.5+books Aura Spectrum start 2.2+books res 2.35 +books b/o 2.7+books or offer Miss Possy Quote: lol u can get within about 500m of most of shorasu's prices just using 200m per 1m sp and balls to all the messing about that is corect , most characters are near the 200m/m sp + some book prices they might have. Some are a bit more worthy for spezialisation, standings, trend or other reasons but mostly not much more then ~500m (on normal characters 10-30m sp) The howl thing is basically about those ~500m more. And also many pplz think they have that one unique ultimate character that must go for exorbitant more,always a pleasure to correct them. While we are at the small talk stuff i will abuse this thread for a little advert: I have some 'greaves' med armor reps at 44m ea to sell if someone is interested leave a reply or an eve mail. ------------------------------ Q: what happens when an EVE player quits EVE to play WOW A: the Average IQ of both goes up
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.16 16:34:00 - [55] Your guidelines will need to be updated. With ghost training gone and current GTC prices going through the roof, specialized characters trained by others will be extremely expensive. I know... because I canceled 3 accounts where I was training chars for resale. It no longer has the necessary incentive in form of ISK. One more will go inactive in about a month when my final char for resale will be on auction. Amanda hi there , that is true ghost training is gone and the entire price list on the front page is a bit off .... atm im kinda busy with work so ill get to it once i have a few minutes of being bored. thanks for redying anyways. ------------------------------ Q: what happens when an EVE player quits EVE to play WOW A: the Average IQ of both goes up

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