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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2008.08.26 22:36:00 -
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Edited by: Jeremey on 26/08/2008 22:53:20
EVE ONLINE INTERFACE USABILITY REPORT
(Report in PDF format)
On behalf of russian-speaking community of Eve Online
Authors: Jeremey and Arengor
Contributors: Vinch, eugene_x, scorpion (ingame Виталя), Wot Dragon, Dei White, Olly Busse, xlam, Sub Kil, Ma5taofDarknez, Igla, vassai, Creepin
Introduction
PDF linked above is collective eve online usability report. It's target is to show what problems Eve Online user interface have and how to fix them. This report initially was created by me (Jeremey) and Arengor and complemented by many ideas from http://www.eve-ru.com forums community. On the same forums (most popular russian-speaking forum on Eve Online) we held a vote with a result to represent this report on behalf of russian-speaking community of eve-online (http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?showtopic=17687)
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2008.08.26 22:37:00 -
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reserved for future use
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K'hazar
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Posted - 2008.08.27 00:11:00 -
[3]
/signed
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Masterdos
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Posted - 2008.08.27 03:47:00 -
[4]
/signed
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Dyoto Orion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 03:48:00 -
[5]
/signed
Very good PDF, good points raised. I hope many of these points/issues are fixed by EVE development. 
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Raven Timoshenko
Fighting While Intoxicated
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.27 04:14:00 -
[6]
/signed
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homa killer
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Posted - 2008.08.27 04:19:00 -
[7]
/signed
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admiral rus
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Posted - 2008.08.27 06:14:00 -
[8]
/signed
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AvaTaRRuS
Sacred Temple
United Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.27 06:18:00 -
[9]
/signed
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Desant81
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:58:00 -
[10]
/signed
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Arengor
9th FLEET of REDARMY
Red Army Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:16:00 -
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/signed
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Feoktist Koumarov
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:19:00 -
[12]
/signed
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EDG
Amarr
Eve Mining Corp
AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:23:00 -
[13]
/signed
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Soushi
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:47:00 -
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/signed
Nice compilation, but some of the points (such as searching items in all containers or using single menu for autolinking) would cause a horrible impact to performance on server side.
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Kris KE
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:54:00 -
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/signed
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Ar Royo
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:55:00 -
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/signed
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:58:00 -
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Wait, I thought the russians were the ones that invented the "log-offski" and other such jack-assery. Why would you need interfac refinements when all you really need is Ctrl-Q?
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Arsius Eter
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:19:00 -
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/signed
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berdhj
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:20:00 -
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/signed
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Olegtovc
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:27:00 -
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/signed
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Soushi
Nice compilation, but some of the points (such as searching items in all containers or using single menu for autolinking) would cause a horrible impact to performance on server side.
Searching containers in assets no more impacts performance than existing searching in assets, because, afaik, it will add only one more condition to SQL DB search query.
As described in list, using menu for autolinking is proposed to use in such way that it will not allow users to send autolink requests too often.
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JanSVK
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:09:00 -
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/signed
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IronBlow
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:28:00 -
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/signed
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CriminalB
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:33:00 -
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/signed
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K0JIDbIPb
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:58:00 -
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/signet
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HiDSLi
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:19:00 -
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/signed
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123qa
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Posted - 2008.08.27 16:58:00 -
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/signed
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Ammon Skycloud
Caldari
Matari Research Foundation
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jeremey
Edited by: Jeremey on 27/08/2008 14:37:44
Originally by: Soushi
Nice compilation, but some of the points (such as searching items in all containers or using single menu for autolinking) would cause a horrible impact to performance on server side.
Searching containers in assets impacts performance no more than existing searching in assets because, afaik, it will add only one more condition to SQL DB search query.
As described in list, menu for autolinking is proposed to be used in such way that it will not allow users to send autolink requests too often.
Maybe in a sane database, but based on some hints ccp gave with regards to thier database design, this one is normalised to hell.
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:34:00 -
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Edited by: Jeremey on 27/08/2008 19:37:10
Originally by: Ammon Skycloud
Maybe in a sane database, but based on some hints ccp gave with regards to thier database design, this one is normalised to hell.
It may be so and it may doesn't. I think discussing potential performance impact is quite pointless because only CCP' developers are really know what can be done and what cannot be considering performance.
Anyway, during creation of this report we tried to get performance issues as much as we can as players (although I'm itself programmer and Arengor is game developer).
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:39:00 -
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Can these people signing like, enable corp tab? I'm very much for this idea, but a ton of nocorp alts posting /signed really doesn't get anything across.
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Eve Goetterdaemmerung
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:15:00 -
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This is the best list of EVE usability bugs I have ever seen. Impressive!
Here my 2 cents:
>> Make active" and "Trash it" ship' context menu items should not be near each other. (Because it
is very easy to click ôTrash itö (and accept it in pop-up window) when ejecting from a shuttle to a
carrier or officer-fitted 2bil cost battleship).<<
The same is true for POSes "Offline" next to "Manage" in context menu. The second you need every time you touch a POS, but the ofllineing is really scarry there and rarely used. Should be available only inside the POS management pages, maybe next to switch on/off Force Field.
"There must be automatic categorization of bookmarks by systems û not one gigantic list of them."
I disagree in this point. I dont group them by system, but by topic. Bookmarks for POSing, for trading, for fighting...
So manual grouping must still be possible.
Some things forgotten:
During Drag and Drop scrolling up/down must be activated when reaching the bottom/top of a window/list. Otherwise you cannot drop something from a large list to another list below/above it. Just compare it with any drag and drop in windows.
Mail should support multiple addresses, addrss lists, CC, forwarding, auto reply, self defined spam filter, etc. This is standard in every mail program today. And EVE is based on communications, so pimp the mail system!
/signed 1000 times!
Eve G.
P.S.: One comment to the devs: I had russian colleagues myself. Don't get ****ed by their "lack of polite words"! They simply dont use words like please, would, should etc. Its their way and not meant as beeing inpolite. I had to get used to that style too 
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Denveris
Cenobites
Stain Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:17:00 -
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/signed
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx
Can these people signing like, enable corp tab? I'm very much for this idea, but a ton of nocorp alts posting /signed really doesn't get anything across.
It's up to them.
Anyway, they're not "no-corp alts" - it can be seen ingame by searching for our characters (so devs can see that they are real players).
Also, in thread on eve-ru forums there are more than 70 distinct accounts (not alts) that voted for idea.
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aravak
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:31:00 -
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/signed
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:33:00 -
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Edited by: Jeremey on 27/08/2008 20:42:01
Edited by: Jeremey on 27/08/2008 20:34:59
Originally by: Eve Goetterdaemmerung
This is the best list of EVE usability bugs I have ever seen. Impressive!
Thank you.
Originally by: Eve Goetterdaemmerung
The same is true for POSes "Offline" next to "Manage" in context menu. The second you need every time you touch a POS, but the ofllineing is really scarry there and rarely used. Should be available only inside the POS management pages, maybe next to switch on/off Force Field.
Yes, you are right.
I will add this into next revision of list then.
Originally by: Eve Goetterdaemmerung
"There must be automatic categorization of bookmarks by systems – not one gigantic list of them."
I disagree in this point. I dont group them by system, but by topic. Bookmarks for POSing, for trading, for fighting...
So manual grouping must still be possible.
I just mean that on their creation bookmarks are placed in folders with system names. Player can move them to his own folders.
Originally by: Eve Goetterdaemmerung
During Drag and Drop scrolling up/down must be activated when reaching the bottom/top of a window/list. Otherwise you cannot drop something from a large list to another list below/above it. Just compare it with any drag and drop in windows.
Yes.
Originally by: Eve Goetterdaemmerung
Mail should support multiple addresses, addrss lists, CC, forwarding, auto reply, self defined spam filter, etc. This is standard in every mail program today. And EVE is based on communications, so pimp the mail system!
I think it is too much (if you're serious). Mail is fine as it is now - just let the bugs be fixen.
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: Jeremey on 27/08/2008 20:39:59
Originally by: Eve Goetterdaemmerung
P.S.: One comment to the devs: I had russian colleagues myself. Don't get ****ed by their "lack of polite words"! They simply dont use words like please, would, should etc. Its their way and not meant as beeing inpolite. I had to get used to that style too
Actually just prior posting on this forum final version I had several suggestions on eve-ru forums about text style of the list (about its "politeness").
I must note that style of the list is just technical text style, constrained by the need of translation from russian language. So, because of it, in some parts it can feel impolite (but in reality it is not).
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Anig Browl
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:48:00 -
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A great list with a lot of effort and careful thought put into the suggestions. I hope everyone reads this and pays attention.
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1olsus
NorthWest Russian Corp
United Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.28 06:51:00 -
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/signed
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SirFett
Omni-Core Freedom Fighters
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.28 07:11:00 -
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oh god yes!
/signed
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Minage
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Posted - 2008.08.28 07:43:00 -
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/signed
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wanna dance? |
Igla
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Posted - 2008.08.28 07:50:00 -
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/signed
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Gasharva
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Posted - 2008.08.28 10:10:00 -
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Greate job, well done.
/signed
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y0ung
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.28 10:58:00 -
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/signed
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Sepheir Sepheron
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.28 11:38:00 -
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/signed
At first I was like 
But then I was like
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Topter
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Posted - 2008.08.28 16:24:00 -
[45]
/signed
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Phoebus Athenian
Gallente
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.28 17:09:00 -
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/signed
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Uniania
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Posted - 2008.08.28 18:25:00 -
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/signed
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Synapse Archae
Amarr
Demonic Retribution
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.28 19:06:00 -
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/signed
Originally by: CCP Garthagk
While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
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CCP Casqade
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Posted - 2008.08.28 19:50:00 -
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Nice report.
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2008.08.28 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Casqade
Nice report.
This list will have several revisions, each supplemented with newly reported usability problems/fixes only (i.e. no gameplay features, no game mechanics proposals, no balance changes and no audio/graphics effects change proposals).
For starting formal examination of this report by CCP, should I post each item of it as separate bug report through standard bug reporting page?
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Antor Pritcher
Labteck Corporation LTD.
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Posted - 2008.08.28 20:51:00 -
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/signed |
xlam
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Posted - 2008.08.28 21:04:00 -
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/signed
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Rixt
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Posted - 2008.08.28 21:27:00 -
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/signed
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CCP Casqade
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Posted - 2008.08.28 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jeremey
For starting formal examination of this report by CCP, should I post each item of it as separate bug report through standard bug reporting page?
From what I can see you mention two possible bugs. They should should be reported using the bug reporting system. The rest of these are feature requests, you are requesting changes to existing design, they are currently in the correct place; this forum.
Thank you for putting effort into making this document.
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Nagash Liamyn
Cymepku RUS
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Posted - 2008.08.29 04:34:00 -
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/signed
It's not whether you win or lose that counts: it's how much pain you inflict along the way. |
Sub Kil
Gallente
REUNI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.29 11:17:00 -
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/signed
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Ch1
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Posted - 2008.08.29 15:06:00 -
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/signed
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Steintz
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.08.30 09:04:00 -
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/signed
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KAS 75
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.30 12:44:00 -
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Very nice proposition 
/signed
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Sugui
Caldari
Nuclear Stalkers inc.
DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.08.30 13:22:00 -
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/Signed
It's really nice idea!
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Dmitry Grigoriev
Eternity of the Universe
Russian Coalition.
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Posted - 2008.08.30 17:24:00 -
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/signed
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Nuclear Jet
Nekogame
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Posted - 2008.08.31 01:01:00 -
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/signed
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Lady Natacha
Minmatar
Water and Power
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Posted - 2008.08.31 17:16:00 -
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/signed
Also, please consider this topic for inclusion:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=857451
My EVE sigs
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Fulminata
Free Space Tech
Russian Coalition.
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Posted - 2008.08.31 20:04:00 -
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/signed
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2008.08.31 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Natacha
/signed
Also, please consider this topic for inclusion:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=857451
Yes, I will add it into next revision of list.
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Mark Nomad
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Posted - 2008.09.01 03:52:00 -
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/signed |
MECHANIQUE
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Posted - 2008.09.01 10:49:00 -
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/signed
many good points |
Jevel Staite
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Posted - 2008.09.01 11:04:00 -
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/signed |
Yaturi
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.09.01 16:25:00 -
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/signed |
venus divine
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Posted - 2008.09.01 18:58:00 -
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OMG, can i have your children please??
This report is awesome!!
/signed
/signed
/signed
I just hope this doesnt get by CCP with only good report comment.. |
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CCP Applebabe
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Posted - 2008.09.03 02:56:00 -
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Please do not post /signed as stated in this thread it is considered spam.
Applebabe
Community Representative
CCP Games, EVE Online
Email / Netfang
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