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5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:22:00 - [1] Capital Ships out of highsec troll. I think this deserves the first 10/10. The old boys club are practically foaming at the mouth. Sure it may get reversed if the old boyz club and their friends in CSM emorage hard enough. But for the first time in months I'm getting the will to go get some popcorn out while reading the forums. Sure I can see the sentimentality of it, I suppose maybe it is sad in a way, but I can see why and where they are going with it if it's all going as planned. What sort of surprises me is the outpouring of wailing could never rationalise an eve based balance argument over this, or anything else as such, but because they and their friends want it, it has to happen. I've always tended to be more anti-carebear but the apparent single mindedness of the local eve old boys club on what they want because that's how it should be etc... more then stinks of a little hippocrisy I think. As things stand at the moment, I look forward to some more I quit threads. The "Oh so you can't fix x. but you have time to do small unimportant y" Say's if it's such a small and inconsequential change, why do this? Why try as hard as you can to pander to your dev friend connections when in any other form in the game it's called CCP cheating? While I'm told I should have sympathy for Chribba, why should I? He's more then reaped the benefits of his large ego trip and laughed all the way to the bank riding on the back for years of what has been and was always was an exploit. His status in the eve community isn't going to change at all. I mean I've feel a lot more sympathy for your average scam victim or something. It may well get changed back at some point, I don't particularly care, but why do all of you? Peace.
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:24:00 - [2] Shut up, you're just jealous your personality never won you any friends or favors.
Galvatine	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:24:00 - [3] I hope your flameproof suit is really really good
Galvatine	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:24:00 - [4] Originally by: ApaKaka Shut up, you're just jealous your personality never won you any friends or favors. harsh but fair
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:25:00 - [5] I'm going to enjoy these biased replies. dons flamesuit
GallenteCitizen20080615 Gallente Federation War News	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:27:00 - [6] what soprt of drivil are you on about and chribba ship isnt a expolit since back in those days you could have cap ships in empire...he was the smart one and kept it there...which has bumped the price up of it 100% because it is there chribba has also done alot for the community with his search features, his eve tube and eve files even i was less famous for my factional war reports before i moved to 0.0 brains get you ahead of eve not weiry drivel from a man with no backbone to make and carve his future out -_/-_/-_/-_/- Please return trays to their upright position. Thanks you for riding the forums
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:28:00 - [7] But they don't do any harm, so why bother changing the rules? They can't engage in combat or they will get the banhammer, so they are just toys in high sec. Not to get too brown-nosey to Chribba, but how is he exploiting anything? Mining veld into a dreadnaught's hold? Invulnerable in high sec you mean? No risk, no reward? I could mine into a cargo expanded Apoc all day long and I doubt anyone could suicide me.
Galvatine	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:29:00 - [8] Originally by: Fink Angel But they don't do any harm, so why bother changing the rules? They can't engage in combat or they will get the banhammer, so they are just toys in high sec. Not to get too brown-nosey to Chribba, but how is he exploiting anything? Mining veld into a dreadnaught's hold? Invulnerable in high sec you mean? No risk, no reward? I could mine into a cargo expanded Apoc all day long and I doubt anyone could suicide me. Actually if you used your low slots for cargo expanders, they could probably suicide you with absurd ease ;)
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:29:00 - [9] So, wait, you're jealous because we don't care about you? I don't get the point of this nonsense thread. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Havok Dryke The Scope	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:32:00 - [10] Originally by: 5pinDizzy riding on the back for years of what has been and was always was an exploit. His status in the eve community isn't going to change at all. How exactly does the Veldnaught make him ISK? From what I`ve heard he has a huge alt network and many T2 BPOs. Sure, he mines a lot of Veld, but it`s pennies compared to what his other stuff brings in. This isn`t so much about capitals in high sec as it is about the insult that has been dealt to one of EVE`s most respected players. Chribba has given tons to the community (LoveQuest, economic support, Eve-Search, Eve-Files) and all he gets from it is a kick in the balls from CCP. --- Originally by: El'tar I WOULD WARRIOR FOR WOMAN BELONG TO ME
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:32:00 - [11] I personally welcome our new troll overlords My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:33:00 - [12] Originally by: Galvatine Actually if you used your low slots for cargo expanders, they could probably suicide you with absurd ease ;) Erm, you could be righ mate. Not sure if I though that through fully! Might have to move my lowsec Apoc into highsec and fit some miner II's and see how it goes.
Rubra J. S. Bach In memoriam	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:34:00 - [13] Originally by: Sheriff Jones new New? I'd be willing to bet that nearly all the posters in GD who whine are in fact alts of older existing players.
Sandra Tyrell	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:35:00 - [14] Edited by: Sandra Tyrell on 27/08/2008 12:36:30 Originally by: 5pinDizzy but I can see why and where they are going with it if it's all going as planned. If you are saying you can see where CCP are going with this move, and why, please do tell. So far, it just seems like yet another arbitrary decision by someone who has little connection to the game, who doesn't really care about player experience. I'm not one of the old boyz club, I've never seen Chribba or his Veldnaught in game, but I can recognize one of the very few who do a great deal for the community, both in and out of game. I guess you're not the type of person who can appreciate that. But it's not just Chribba, there are...were many Caps still in highsec.
Cyberman Mastermind	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:36:00 - [15] Originally by: 5pinDizzy what has been and was always was an exploit. How so?
Eomar Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:45:00 - [16] Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind Originally by: 5pinDizzy what has been and was always was an exploit. How so? It was never an exploit. never. Somehow building them after it was decided to have the hisec construction yard removed, that would be an exploit. Moving a cap into hisec, that would have been an exploit. Keeping it there was not. right from the day the first capital ship construction started ...in accordance with the prophecy
ShardowRhino Caldari Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:45:00 - [17] Originally by: GallenteCitizen20080615 what soprt of drivil are you on about and chribba ship isnt a expolit since back in those days you could have cap ships in empire...he was the smart one and kept it there...which has bumped the price up of it 100% because it is there chribba has also done alot for the community with his search features, his eve tube and eve files even i was less famous for my factional war reports before i moved to 0.0 brains get you ahead of eve not weiry drivel from a man with no backbone to make and carve his future out Wait, your saying that mining veldspar in empire using a capital ship is having a backbone or brains? I'm sorry but seriously having a capital ship in empire is in no way anything worth being "well known" for. I don't know chirba and never understood the big deal about the guy, no offense to him. Even with evetube and evefiles or anything else h e may have done shouldn't cause ccp to NOT do something with THEIR game. Having a highsec capital ship should be the most remote thing when it comes to influencing ccp. So if its not the ship then its the other things hes worked on but if thats the case how many other people can lay claim to having a vote in what ccp does with their game? I sure as hell would hate to see a game being run by the players where the requirement for a vote is to have done an unofficial project. Either everyone that subs gets a vote or no one gets a vote and ccp runs the ship. We can't have people getting power for things they have done regardless of how much people may like the guy. As for why ccp made the change, I don't really know or care. But people should just ask why before going into an emofit over it. The way everyone sounds its as though ccp set out to **** off 1 player just for the hell of it. I'm sure thats the case Fair and balanced gaming for everyone > 1 person's fun whatever it was for im sure ccp had a good reason.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:47:00 - [18] Originally by: Rubra Originally by: Sheriff Jones new New? I'd be willing to bet that nearly all the posters in GD who whine are in fact alts of older existing players. Heck, mans gotta point.... ahehem... I personally welcome BACK our OLD troll overlords! My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:53:00 - [19] Originally by: Cpt Branko So, wait, you're jealous because we don't care about you? I don't get the point of this nonsense thread. Believe me I'd never want that kind of attention. props to him for handling it well. Originally by: Sandra Tyrell Edited by: Sandra Tyrell on 27/08/2008 12:36:30 Originally by: 5pinDizzy but I can see why and where they are going with it if it's all going as planned. If you are saying you can see where CCP are going with this move, and why, please do tell. So far, it just seems like yet another arbitrary decision by someone who has little connection to the game, who doesn't really care about player experience. I'm not one of the old boyz club, I've never seen Chribba or his Veldnaught in game, but I can recognize one of the very few who do a great deal for the community, both in and out of game. I guess you're not the type of person who can appreciate that. But it's not just Chribba, there are...were many Caps still in highsec. I recognise Chribbas contribution to the game to I degree yes, but I didn't realise that meant any plans CCP had on the board were automaticly overriden by his status. Where in the manual does it say in small print after X amount of community service, player recieves/deserves empire dreadnaught? There are a lot of people who've arguably done stuff for Eve. A lot of the things I've seen Chribba do to help the community came after his already meteoric rise to fame. I mean sure it's really nice of him to host things and stuff, but I imagine he does have the spare cash seeing as he'll never have to pay his subscription with real money ever again. There's also the fact you just mentioned, there were many capital ships in highsec in the game. If you look for the CSM thread petition about it it doesn't say "Move all capital ships back to empire" which maybe I could support. It says "Move the veldnaught back to Amarr".
Another Forum'Alt	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:55:00 - [20] /me wonders how many wars OP will get in the next few days. Save EVE's most famous landmark: Linkage
Ricier	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:56:00 - [21] This man has done more for eve then any one else ever will\have
Dionisius Gallente Sincarnate Holding	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:56:00 - [22] Originally by: Rubra Originally by: Sheriff Jones new New? I'd be willing to bet that nearly all the posters in GD who whine are in fact alts of older existing players. No sh** sherlock... _____________________________________
Nicholas Barker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:59:00 - [23] you're aware that he actually spends alot of his own time and money running services that CCP don't provide, such as a good search engine for the forums, space to upload videos and such, as well as them other sites. --------- I JUST FOUND THE GAME!
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.27 13:00:00 - [24] Originally by: Rubra Originally by: Sheriff Jones new New? I'd be willing to bet that nearly all the posters in GD who whine are in fact alts of older existing players. I'm not. You just lost the bet. Gimme all your stuff!
Shintai Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.08.27 13:02:00 - [25] Originally by: 5pinDizzy I recognise Chribbas contribution to the game to I degree yes, but I didn't realise that meant any plans CCP had on the board were automaticly overriden by his status. Where in the manual does it say in small print after X amount of community service, player recieves/deserves empire dreadnaught? There are a lot of people who've arguably done stuff for Eve. A lot of the things I've seen Chribba do to help the community came after his already meteoric rise to fame. I mean sure it's really nice of him to host things and stuff, but I imagine he does have the spare cash seeing as he'll never have to pay his subscription with real money ever again. There's also the fact you just mentioned, there were many capital ships in highsec in the game. If you look for the CSM thread petition about it it doesn't say "Move all capital ships back to empire" which maybe I could support. It says "Move the veldnaught back to Amarr". ^^ This...its celebrity crap all over. Had it been another unknown player all the community would say was HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Lelulie Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.08.27 13:04:00 - [26] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Capital Ships out of highsec troll. I think this deserves the first 10/10. The old boys club are practically foaming at the mouth. Sure it may get reversed if the old boyz club and their friends in CSM emorage hard enough. But for the first time in months I'm getting the will to go get some popcorn out while reading the forums. Sure I can see the sentimentality of it, I suppose maybe it is sad in a way, but I can see why and where they are going with it if it's all going as planned. What sort of surprises me is the outpouring of wailing could never rationalise an eve based balance argument over this, or anything else as such, but because they and their friends want it, it has to happen. I've always tended to be more anti-carebear but the apparent single mindedness of the local eve old boys club on what they want because that's how it should be etc... more then stinks of a little hippocrisy I think. As things stand at the moment, I look forward to some more I quit threads. The "Oh so you can't fix x. but you have time to do small unimportant y" Say's if it's such a small and inconsequential change, why do this? Why try as hard as you can to pander to your dev friend connections when in any other form in the game it's called CCP cheating? While I'm told I should have sympathy for Chribba, why should I? He's more then reaped the benefits of his large ego trip and laughed all the way to the bank riding on the back for years of what has been and was always was an exploit. His status in the eve community isn't going to change at all. I mean I've feel a lot more sympathy for your average scam victim or something. It may well get changed back at some point, I don't particularly care, but why do all of you? Peace. Can you put that through altavista babblefish or something and repost please. ------------------------------------
ShardowRhino Caldari Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.08.27 13:09:00 - [27] Originally by: Nicholas Barker you're aware that he actually spends alot of his own time and money running services that CCP don't provide, such as a good search engine for the forums, space to upload videos and such, as well as them other sites. www.youtube.com, I heard its all the rage. search engine for the forum? THIS Forum??? Eve's forum is a cesspool. people say "creme rises to the top" so what exactly rises to the top of a cesspool? basically who cares whats at the top or the bottom of it since there are so many sites out there with so much eve based information. But again, why does this 1 person get to bend the rules or alter what ccp does because he puts his own money and time into doing things for eve? He doesn't work for ccp so everything he does is unofficial. I didn't realize there was a buy in option when it came to eve development. I better start working on a pet project with my own time and money so I TO can tell ccp what to do because I want things a certain way! EVERYTHING chriba has done was done because he wanted to. CCP didn't have a gun to his head. As far as I know CCP did not contract him to do anything for them. Again as far as I know CCP never agreed that he would get more say in how the game goes then any other player. I ALSO want ccp stock like chirba!!!
Cyberman Mastermind	Posted - 2008.08.27 13:11:00 - [28] Originally by: ShardowRhino But again, why does this 1 person get to bend the rules or alter what ccp does Care to give examples? The dreadnaught was allowed in high-sec until now. No rules bent, no exploits. There probably have some rules been altered, but that was CCPs decision.
Shintai Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.08.27 13:14:00 - [29] Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind Originally by: ShardowRhino But again, why does this 1 person get to bend the rules or alter what ccp does Care to give examples? The dreadnaught was allowed in high-sec until now. No rules bent, no exploits. There probably have some rules been altered, but that was CCPs decision. How many had their highsec shipyards removed from POSes? How many others had their dread/carrier moved? So yes, rules was bent. Now its fixed. Else I got a huge list of what I want back after 5 years and 4 months! -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
ShardowRhino Caldari Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.08.27 13:18:00 - [30] Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind Originally by: ShardowRhino But again, why does this 1 person get to bend the rules or alter what ccp does Care to give examples? The dreadnaught was allowed in high-sec until now. No rules bent, no exploits. There probably have some rules been altered, but that was CCPs decision. New rules are apparently in place. Getting his ship moved back to empire space would be bending the rules. him crying about says he wants ccp to bend the rules for him. I'm not talking about yesterday's rules but today's rules. What they allowed last week, last year ,last anything means nothing if they have changed it. So the question is why does someone feel that they deserve ccp to consult them on a change to the game ccp runs? Why do others sound like this guy should have say in what ccp does with their game simply because he did some pet projects on his own? Hes not a ccp employee so anything he has done was unofficial and no contract was made between him and ccp that if he did X amount of projects or spent Y amoutn of his own money that he will get a say in ccp's work.
Cyberman Mastermind	Posted - 2008.08.27 13:26:00 - [31] Edited by: Cyberman Mastermind on 27/08/2008 13:29:31 Edited by: Cyberman Mastermind on 27/08/2008 13:27:41 Originally by: Shintai How many had their highsec shipyards removed from POSes? AFAIK, all shipyards have been removed. Chribbas was no exception. Quote: How many others had their dread/carrier moved? Not sure. How many remained? Have there actually been dreads/carriers moved? If so, why did others remain as well? Quote: So yes, rules was bent. Now its fixed. CCP changed their minds, apparently, but they didn't "fix" anything. It was CCPs decision that, until now, these capital ships are allowed in high-sec. Originally by: ShardowRhino New rules are apparently in place. Yes. Quote: Getting his ship moved back to empire space would be bending the rules. If only HIS ship, the Veldnaught would be moved back, then yes, that would be bending the rules. Fortunately, he never asked about his ship alone. He (and others) are asking for ALL capital ships to be moved back to high-sec. One or all, no exceptions, no need to bend rules. Quote: So the question is why does someone feel that they deserve ccp to consult them on a change to the game ccp runs? I never got the impression that Chribba is asking for that. He wants an explanation, as anyone should want.
Azunami Gallente Meridian Dynamics Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.08.27 13:33:00 - [32] Why would he not get his dread back in high sec? Why would CCP not reward someone who has done so much for the community? Of course he deserves more than your average subscriber, he has done more for the game. I don't know how old you are but you seem to be confused on the definition of fair. Fair does not mean everyone should be treated exactly the same. Chribba should get special treatment because guess what, he has earned it. That special treatment (having no affect on gameplay) is consistent with the merit of what he has done, therefore its fair. If you think that you should get the same treatment as him, then go out and do as much as he has for eve. Then you can start expecting a little tounge in cheek treatment from the Dev's. When CCP itself makes a slide with your name on it, and has a little player profile of your character, then I think its safe to say you are not on the level of everyone else. A little of Eve's uniqueness died the day they threw Chribba's dread out of high sec. One of the reasons I came to this game in the first place was because the Dev's used the player interaction to advance the storyline. Sad to see CCP selling out to corporate BS with moves like this.
Matjara Laahr	Posted - 2008.08.27 13:49:00 - [33] Originally by: ShardowRhino So the question is why does someone feel that they deserve ccp to consult them on a change to the game ccp runs? Why do others sound like this guy should have say in what ccp does with their game simply because he did some pet projects on his own? Hes not a ccp employee so anything he has done was unofficial and no contract was made between him and ccp that if he did X amount of projects or spent Y amoutn of his own money that he will get a say in ccp's work. Have you read the forums during the nanowhine? Anyone can say here if something bothers them... and compared to some other whines Chribba was actually pretty nice, too. It is also not only about Chribba or only about the high sec caps. It IS about the whole of Eve. Now there aren't any caps in high sec anymore, what happens next? No more Raven State Issue? No more Opux Luxury Yacht? Guardian Vexor? Silver Magnate? Kruul DNA because it doesn't serve any function? The high sec capitals were a special case, something close to unique. When you remove every special thing there is, do you still play in an eve universe? Or only in a dark game without distinctive differences?
Sandra Tyrell	Posted - 2008.08.27 13:57:00 - [34] Originally by: 5pinDizzy I recognise Chribbas contribution to the game to I degree yes, but I didn't realise that meant any plans CCP had on the board were automaticly overriden by his status. Where in the manual does it say in small print after X amount of community service, player recieves/deserves empire dreadnaught? Don't need a manual, nor a rule, nor a contract. Nobody "receives/deserves" an empire dread. They ALL deserve to KEEP THEIR dreads, since they followed the "may not be used in combat" rule. What Chribba deserves, and gets, is people being upset over his Dread being moved. Why? Because it's also our dread, in the form of a landmark, a sightseeing item/spot, unlike all the others.
Face Palmer Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.08.27 14:00:00 - [35] Edited by: Face Palmer on 27/08/2008 14:06:38 Obvious nerd-jealousy is obvious. speeling edit
Sandra Tyrell	Posted - 2008.08.27 14:09:00 - [36] Originally by: ShardowRhino Either everyone that subs gets a vote or no one gets a vote and ccp runs the ship. Nobody gets a vote, and ccp runs the ship. We do get a voice though, and there are so many of us who will use it to support Chribba. That's what he has deserved. Quote: The way everyone sounds its as though ccp set out to ** off 1 player just for the hell of it. I'm sure thats the case More like they didn't think, or they didn't give a damn it would off not just one player, but everyone who wanted to see the Veldnaught, or just know that it existed. Like me. Quote:** whatever it was for im sure ccp had a good reason. Ahhahahhahaahah.....AHAHAHAAHAHAHAA. Yeah, good one buddy. CCP as an entity makes lots of mistakes, this is most probably one of them. Yeah, you go start a "personal pet project" that will help others, spend your time and money on it for years, pour your heart into this game and let us see it, then maybe I'll care about you too. Will you though? Have you? If not, your talk about personal projects is pretty sad.

CCP Mitnal C C P	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:08:00 - [37] Locked. Duplicate thread. Mitnal Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang


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