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Elanai	Posted - 2008.08.27 14:12:00 - [1] If a majority of this community considers itself atheists, then how come they're playing a mmorpg? Aren't mmorpgs just like religious systems? Working in providing a new version of the mmorpg answer?
Elliot Reid Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.08.27 14:14:00 - [2] Because I have fun. _______________________________________
Valmeir Amarr Vox de Lucis	Posted - 2008.08.27 14:15:00 - [3] How do MMORPG's and religion even compare? Please explain this one to me.
DubanFP Caldari Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.27 14:16:00 - [4] Originally by: Elanai If a majority of this community considers itself atheists, then how come they're playing a mmorpg? Aren't mmorpgs just like religious systems? Working in providing a new version of the mmorpg answer? Wow. What kind of person do you have to be to think religion is in any way similar to an MMO. One is fantasy for delusion. The other is fantasy for amusement. There's a difference between knowing what's real and what's not. _______________ "Cheap" and "Lame" are words created by people who refuse to admit they have been completely outclassed
Keta Min Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2008.08.27 14:16:00 - [5] Originally by: Valmeir How do MMORPG's and religion even compare? Please explain this one to me. cause you don't want to go to hell without having an up to date clone.
Elliot Reid Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.08.27 14:16:00 - [6] Originally by: Valmeir How do MMORPG's and religion even compare? Please explain this one to me. Well when the lag hits I do shout JESUS CHRIST a lot. _______________________________________
Valmeir Amarr Vox de Lucis	Posted - 2008.08.27 14:17:00 - [7] Originally by: Elliot Reid Originally by: Valmeir How do MMORPG's and religion even compare? Please explain this one to me. Well when the lag hits I do shout JESUS CHRIST a lot. This is true.
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach	Posted - 2008.08.27 14:30:00 - [8] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 27/08/2008 14:31:02 Originally by: Elanai If a majority of this community considers itself atheists, then how come they're playing a mmorpg? Aren't mmorpgs just like religious systems? Working in providing a new version of the mmorpg answer? I want to know where you get the concept that most of this community are atheists? I for one am agnostic and think atheists are the same as theists. I also want to hear what makes you think playing an MMO has to do with spirtuality or lack there of? My guess is troll is semi - obvious EDIT: Duban's response above is right on also Slade Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine. DesuSigs
DubanFP Caldari Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.27 14:36:00 - [9] Ok now that IÆve got that out IÆm going to get into an actual theological discussion. Your mistake is in thinking of Atheism as a belief or group of beliefs like religion which you are familiar with. Remember Atheism refers the absence of distinct beliefs rather then any belief toward the absence of a "god". Atheists don't necessarily have to believe in anything but what they make of it. Additionally I think most of the people here are more Agnostic with Atheistic leanings then 100% Atheistic. The idea is that a greater sentient being, perhaps astral spiritual or even the collective thought of all the people themselves, might exist. It could just mean that there are greater things we don't or can't understand closer to Buddhism. Ultimately there is no way to know. Truely what makes atheism and Agnosticism is that these people don't necessarily have to believe in anything. _______________ "Cheap" and "Lame" are words created by people who refuse to admit they have been completely outclassed
Sharupak Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.08.27 14:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Elanai If a majority of this community considers itself atheists, then how come they're playing a mmorpg? Aren't mmorpgs just like religious systems? Working in providing a new version of the mmorpg answer? You can say that about anything, religion, games, government, alchohol... _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.08.27 14:53:00 - [11] posting in a thread soon to be deleted like the one I posted a couple of days ago eve-search FTW
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.08.27 14:56:00 - [12] Obvious troll is obvious
Slayed Caldari Toys R Us	Posted - 2008.08.27 15:02:00 - [13] EVE is my bible!!!1111 ]
Bager Gray Gallente The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.27 15:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Slayed EVE is my bible!!!1111 I agree with the above statement
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.08.27 15:34:00 - [15] You seem to consider atheism some kind of limitation, as though it prohibits atheists from doing certain things. I do not think you get how atheism works.
goodby4u Valor Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.27 15:38:00 - [16] Originally by: DubanFP Originally by: Elanai If a majority of this community considers itself atheists, then how come they're playing a mmorpg? Aren't mmorpgs just like religious systems? Working in providing a new version of the mmorpg answer? Wow. What kind of person do you have to be to think religion is in any way similar to an MMO. One is fantasy for delusion. The other is fantasy for amusement. There's a difference between knowing what's real and what's not. He/she is amarr.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.27 15:40:00 - [17] Damn I never thought of it like that, guess since I am playing an MMO I should start believing in a man in the clouds watching and go to church more often IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers	Posted - 2008.08.27 15:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Slade I want to know where you get the concept that most of this community are atheists? I for one am agnostic and think atheists are the same as theists. I also want to hear what makes you think playing an MMO has to do with spirtuality or lack there of? My guess is troll is semi - obvious EDIT: Duban's response above is right on also Slade Yea, it's obvious he's trolling, but in response to you. Atheism isn't a belief, as so much a starting point. The knowledge of god is learned and not innate. You're born an atheist, and you are then taught a religion. Left on your own, and without the knowledge of science, I can see how belief in the supernatural can occur. But with today's knowledge, I think it's safe to assume that there is no god which intervenes in human affairs. At the best, god is a "programmer" that created some systems, and let it go. But then is God really god at that point? Because he too must have had a creator, and he too must wonder why he's there. So some kid that created a universe in a test-tube is not God, even if this universe was in fact created by a creator. But I find Deism the last hope of people trying to cling onto old traditions. What I'm about to say is going to sound insulting, but I don't mean it as such. I just can't find a better way to put it. So I'll apologize in advance for being rude about your position. I find agnosticism a way to attempt to claim moral superiority, to attempt to be open-minded. The question of whether you believe in god or not cannot be answered by the claim that it cannot be proven. I donÆt think you can prove a negative either, so in that definition IÆm an agnostic too. But I also donÆt think god exists because there are no grounds to support him other than superstition and tradition. And then you have DawkingÆs positions which IÆm sure youÆre well aware of, but which IÆll state anyway. If you choose to be agnostic here, why donÆt you choose to be agnostic about all the negatives you canÆt prove? In fact an infinite amount of negatives. Where do you draw the line and base your answer on the facts at hand, and not all the possibilities out there. If the Question of GodÆs existence was on Trial, IÆd say it was guilty beyond any reasonable doubt. And thatÆs why I have my stance as an atheist. 99% sure is good enough for me. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Elanai	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:50:00 - [19] Quote: I also want to hear what makes you think playing an MMO has to do with spirtuality or lack there of? How can you prove mmo systems or even computer games in general relay truth about what fun is?
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:00:00 - [20] Originally by: Elanai How can you prove mmo systems or even computer games in general relay truth about what fun is? It's the socializing, stupid Clint Worley, the senior producer on SonyÆs ôEverQuestö (or ôEvercrack,ö to the afflicted), says itÆs not the games themselves that are addictive ù itÆs the social aspects of the massively multiplayer genre. ôThe social networking is really kind of the glue that pushes people to sit in the game for long periods of time,ö he says. Dr. Hilarie Cash, a Redmond, Wash.-based therapist who specializes in Internet and computer addiction, agrees. She works with lots of teenagers and young men in their 20s who donÆt have a lot going on in the real world. So they play online games to fill the void of friendship, companionship ù even love. ôWhat I see in the population that IÆm working with around video games, many gamers are people who were bored and lonely, and this is an addiction which kind of gets its hooks into them,ö she says.
TimMc Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:38:00 - [21] Obvious troll, or completely strange person with issues. Seriously if you pray to the CCP devs then Eve will be classified as a cult in Germany and BANNED
Elanai	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:45:00 - [22] Edited by: Elanai on 27/08/2008 17:47:19 Quote: Clint Worley, the senior producer on SonyÆs ôEverQuestö (or ôEvercrack,ö to the afflicted), says itÆs not the games themselves that are addictive ù itÆs the social aspects of the massively multiplayer genre. ôThe social networking is really kind of the glue that pushes people to sit in the game for long periods of time,ö he says. Dr. Hilarie Cash, a Redmond, Wash.-based therapist who specializes in Internet and computer addiction, agrees. She works with lots of teenagers and young men in their 20s who donÆt have a lot going on in the real world. So they play online games to fill the void of friendship, companionship ù even love. ôWhat I see in the population that IÆm working with around video games, many gamers are people who were bored and lonely, and this is an addiction which kind of gets its hooks into them,ö she says. Social networking can happen anywhere, unless you're in the middle of the gobi desert, and even there, you could still find it possible of connecting to the place. So coming back to mmo's, why have fantasy reality inbetween, if social remains indifferent to it?
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.08.27 18:02:00 - [23] Originally by: Elanai Social networking can happen anywhere, unless you're in the middle of the gobi desert, and even there, you could still find it possible of connecting to the place. So coming back to mmo's, what's the need of having a fantasy reality inbetween, when social networking remains indifferent to it? We never left the discussion of mmo's. Also, people tend to be more open in MMO's than in reality. something about not being face to face with the people but communicating via avatars. I know that's the case for me. I live in the middle of nowhere, I hardly ever socialize anymore in the real world, in fact most of the time I'm a ghost. I talk more to my animals than I do with people. But in game I'm just the opposite where I join up with groups and everybody has a field day, we run massive ops/raids and people tell jokes online and describe how their day went and so on. TBH I probably have more friends that I've never met than ones that I have. But I still don't see a religious aspect to the game. If that were the case I wonder if I'm worshipping multiple gods with a dual personality while occasionaly paying tribute to smaller demi-gods and listening with great interests as people tell me about their gods. Seems a little backwards to me.
Bux Naked Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.27 18:14:00 - [24] Originally by: DubanFP Originally by: Elanai If a majority of this community considers itself atheists, then how come they're playing a mmorpg? Aren't mmorpgs just like religious systems? Working in providing a new version of the mmorpg answer? Wow. What kind of person do you have to be to think religion is in any way similar to an MMO. One is fantasy for delusion. The other is fantasy for amusement. There's a difference between knowing what's real and what's not. This. Also, I play Call of Duty 4/Battlefield 2 but in real life I don't wear camouflage or own machine guns. But with the OP's 'logic' I should be a card carrying member of the National Rifles Association or possibly a neo-** group because I like guns in a virtual environment. ps, I am not equating the NRA with neo-**s, just pointing out that with his logic I could be a member of either because they both like guns.
Bish Ounen Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.27 18:29:00 - [25] Obvious troll OP is obvious. Tactical Logistics using the last T1 Frigate hull!
Elanai	Posted - 2008.08.27 18:29:00 - [26] Edited by: Elanai on 27/08/2008 18:34:27 Quote: We never left the discussion of mmo's. Also, people tend to be more open in MMO's than in reality. something about not being face to face with the people but communicating via avatars. I know that's the case for me. I live in the middle of nowhere, I hardly ever socialize anymore in the real world, in fact most of the time I'm a ghost. I talk more to my animals than I do with people. But in game I'm just the opposite where I join up with groups and everybody has a field day, we run massive ops/raids and people tell jokes online and describe how their day went and so on. TBH I probably have more friends that I've never met than ones that I have. But I still don't see a religious aspect to the game. If that were the case I wonder if I'm worshipping multiple gods with a dual personality while occasionaly paying tribute to smaller demi-gods and listening with great interests as people tell me about their gods. Seems a little backwards to me. No totally lol, it's never been my intention to such an absurdity. (see re-edit on my post, unless you've seen it). I was mostly comparing religion systems to offering an "easy way out" for people, and the same happens with video games and mmo's in particular. In your case, if you're in a farm or country home, I know where you're coming from, I've had it that way too a while back. But it got to the point where it was all I did. When I got out of it to live in the city, I looked back thinking at all the freedom I had then, by myself. To this day I still regret having spent so much time with that machine. But it was a time before internet at home and online games so I'll never be able to relate fully, only from your what you can tell me about your experience. It just comes as "the only way" for some, and I don't know if I should find that worrying, not worrying, or just always relative to an experience.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.08.27 18:43:00 - [27] Originally by: Elanai No totally lol, it's never been my intention to such an absurdity. (see re-edit on my post, unless you've seen it). I was mostly comparing religion systems to offering an "easy way out" for people, and the same happens with video games and mmo's in particular. In your case, if you're in a farm or country home, I know where you're coming from, I've had it that way too a while back. But it got to the point where it was all I did. When I got out of it to live in the city, I looked back thinking at all the freedom I had then, by myself, and to this day, I still regret having spent so much time with that machine. But it was a time before internet at home and online games so in fine, I can't relate fully. It just comes as "the only way" for some, and I don't know if to find it worrying or not. Drugs also offer a easy way out. So does alcohol. MMO's are just hobbies like many other things, and for some people this is their way of communicating to the world. This in a way is no different than going to a bar. Your having fun and your communicating, your doing what you enjoy. Also in my case I chose to be out here. I moved from the city to nowhere because I like the quiet. No one tells me how to act, how to dress, who I should hang out with, what I should do (common things in religion btw but thats not my reference here). I don't worry about trying to impress people, becoming a shell of my true self to be accepted into a click. I don't have to be perfect. If I want to socialize then I game, and I don't even have to dress up for it. For my peace of mind I just step out the back door and stare at the mountain range and let time stop for a while.
The TX Gallente Pulsar Combat Supplies Alternative Realities	Posted - 2008.08.27 19:43:00 - [28] LOL, if THIS isn't a thread about religion, I don't know what is.... -------------------- [Signature] [/Signature]
Davina Braben	Posted - 2008.08.27 19:43:00 - [29] Originally by: Elanai If a majority of this community considers itself atheists, then how come they're playing a mmorpg? Aren't mmorpgs just like religious systems? Working in providing a new version of the mmorpg answer? Sloppily executed concept-troll is sloppily executed.
Elanai	Posted - 2008.08.27 21:52:00 - [30] Edited by: Elanai on 27/08/2008 21:54:21 Quote: Drugs also offer a easy way out. So does alcohol. MMO's are just hobbies like many other things, and for some people this is their way of communicating to the world. This in a way is no different than going to a bar. Your having fun and your communicating, your doing what you enjoy. Also in my case I chose to be out here. I moved from the city to nowhere because I like the quiet. No one tells me how to act, how to dress, who I should hang out with, what I should do (common things in religion btw but thats not my reference here). I don't worry about trying to impress people, becoming a shell of my true self to be accepted into a click. I don't have to be perfect. If I want to socialize then I game, and I don't even have to dress up for it. For my peace of mind I just step out the back door and stare at the mountain range and let time stop for a while. To you Michael, and who else this may concern. Having taken things literally?

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