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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:44:00 -
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Edited by: Haradgrim on 27/08/2008 17:47:14
Given the lack of respect shown by CCP regarding the grandfathering in of Chribba's veldnaught and other high sec capitals, is it reasonable to assume that the days of T2 BPOs are numbered for the same reason? An advantage held by some but unattainable to others seems to be exactly what they were targetting.
If CCP is determined to make the player experience fair for everyone in the ruthless fashion they are showing, shouldn't it carry over to t2 BPOs as well in the same fashion? Or is the use of the nerf stick pretty indiscriminant these days?
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:46:00 -
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Sounds like a logical progression, soon, of course.
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Zephyr Rengate
dearg doom
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:47:00 -
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Dunno really if it would benefit EvE or cause more problems. Anyway EvE never has been fair. And it never should be.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 27/08/2008 17:49:09
Seing how they PROMISED to announce such a change well in advance (half a year or so), just like they ALSO PROMISED to not remove able-to-manufacture-dread/carrier POS arrays a couple of months before they removed them without notice... I'd say anything is possible.
I'd also say that removing T2 BPOs would be pointless and solve absolutely nothing, but then again removing the caps from highsec is ALSO pointless and solves absolutely nothing, so yet again, anything is possible.
EVE : where absolutely no good reason at all is a good enough reason 
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Haradgrim on 27/08/2008 17:50:20
Originally by: Zephyr Rengate
Dunno really if it would benefit EvE or cause more problems. Anyway EvE never has been fair. And it never should be.
Aside from the short term disruption it would have on the market.... If you consider the fact that many have changed hands and the original owners likely recieved a payment that represented its future value at the time; it really compounds the unfairness. However, the same is true of the high sec caps.
My point is more: whats good for the goose is good for the gander, and I don't think CCP has the cajones to remove/change t2 bpos
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Originally by: CCP Oveur
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:51:00 -
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Dunno, but I'd sell mine now, if I had any.
Even if they aren't getting removed, if this trend continues, best sell them now if you don't think you're likely to want to be ingame in 3-4 months.
I.e...
if you can sell it for 2 bil
and you make 200 mil a month with it
if you don't think you'll be ingame after 10 months... sell it.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:52:00 -
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No. I couldn't possibly imagine that happening.
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Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Seing how they PROMISED to announce such a change well in advance (half a year or so), just like they ALSO PROMISED to not remove able-to-manufacture-dread/carrier POS arrays a couple of months before they removed them without notice... I'd say anything is possible.
I'd also say that removing T2 BPOs would be pointless and solve absolutely nothing, but then again removing the caps from highsec is ALSO pointless and solves absolutely nothing, so yet again, anything is possible.
EVE : where absolutely no good reason at all is a good enough reason
That pretty much sums it up.
Live for the moment, as the nerf-bat knows no limits and knows no rules. 
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
No. I couldn't possibly imagine that happening.
If you said to me yesterday, which do you think is more likely: The removal of the Veldnaught or the Removal of t2 bpos......you know which I would have said?
I thought so.....
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Admiral Apex
Amarr
Dead 2 Rights
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:55:00 -
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funny i was actually going to put this in one of my support posts for the cap high sec situation. it is a logical progression. i didnt put it in the post though because i didnt want to derail in any way.
at least there would be clear logic if they removed t2 bpo's. at least it would be arguable. removing high sec caps as of now seems like an arbitrary change.
i dont own any t2 bpos nor do i want t2 bpos taken away.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Haradgrim
Originally by: LaVista Vista
No. I couldn't possibly imagine that happening.
If you said to me yesterday, which do you think is more likely: The removal of the Veldnaught or the Removal of t2 bpos......you know which I would have said?
I thought so.....
You are actually right. I would have guessed on the T2 BPO's too.
But that doesn't make it more likely. I'm sure they had a VERY VERY VERY good reason. I patiently await an official statement though.
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Admiral Apex
Amarr
Dead 2 Rights
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Zephyr Rengate
Dunno really if it would benefit EvE or cause more problems. Anyway EvE never has been fair. And it never should be.
theres a difference between the players making the game an unfair and harsh place and CCP changing things arbitrarily.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Haradgrim
Originally by: LaVista Vista
No. I couldn't possibly imagine that happening.
If you said to me yesterday, which do you think is more likely: The removal of the Veldnaught or the Removal of t2 bpos......you know which I would have said?
I thought so.....
You are actually right. I would have guessed on the T2 BPO's too.
But that doesn't make it more likely. I'm sure they had a VERY VERY VERY good reason. I patiently await an official statement though.
not so much on the patiently part.... 
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Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:01:00 -
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I say do it. T2 BPOs being removed would probably bring back some profitability to invention. Good for everyone that has an eye for industrialism.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Schalac
I say do it. T2 BPOs being removed would probably bring back some profitability to invention. Good for everyone that has an eye for industrialism.
I beg to differ really.
There's a very static supply coming from BPO's. Most invention is much more profitable than invention, which is fairly profitable.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Most invention is much more profitable than invention, which is fairly profitable.
typo?
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Tiuwaz
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:08:00 -
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they said a long time ago that at some point they would change t2 bpos into a highrun t2 bpc. they had to wait till the invention market became mature so they can absorb the increased demand.
I am pretty sure that time has come now. Their vision is after all a fully competitive and player run market, t2 bpos dont really fit in there (natural advantage for more profit) unless they'd be available to all.
with the removal of t2 bpos we also might see a change in invention which might allow me0, or perhaps even better, invented bpc's
(afterall there would be no need anymore to protect profits from bpo holders)
Long story short, i wouldnt buy t2 bpos until midas hits TQ |
LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Most invention is much more profitable than invention, which is fairly profitable.
typo?
Yes, I'm getting sleepy  |
Admiral Apex
Amarr
Dead 2 Rights
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Most invention is much more profitable than invention, which is fairly profitable.
typo?
Yes, I'm getting sleepy
clearly i have a great misconception about t2 bpos. can you explain briefly(if possible) how t2 bpo's are less profitable than invention(sometimes)? |
Tiuwaz
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Tiuwaz on 27/08/2008 18:14:33
Originally by: Admiral Apex
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Most invention is much more profitable than invention, which is fairly profitable.
clearly i have a great misconception about t2 bpos. can you explain briefly(if possible) how t2 bpo's are less profitable than invention(sometimes)?
he probably means that you are limited in units produced which is quite misleading, afterall a t2 bpo holder is not barred from doing invention himself
a t2 bpo holder will always get more profit per unit produced due to higher ME >> lesser building costs |
Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: Haradgrim on 27/08/2008 18:13:37
Originally by: Admiral Apex
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Most invention is much more profitable than invention, which is fairly profitable.
typo?
Yes, I'm getting sleepy
clearly i have a great misconception about t2 bpos. can you explain briefly(if possible) how t2 bpo's are less profitable than invention(sometimes)?
I did a bit of a double take on that to, what do you mean Vista? i mean what you were actually saying, not the typo |
Admiral Apex
Amarr
Dead 2 Rights
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:15:00 -
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i wasnt aware t2 bpos had a production limit.
new question: can you invent from t2 bpo's and is it easier to get a t2 bpc from looking at a t2 bpo? |
Cygnus Zhada
Amarr
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:15:00 -
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Don't forget that the BPO itself has value, most BPO's are valued/traded at prices which would take WELL over a year to make a profit on.
So, you can produce stuff with your BPO, OR you can sell that BPO, invest the money and make extra profit while still producing T2 stuff using invention. |
Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:15:00 -
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I hope it happens |
Tiuwaz
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Apex
i wasnt aware t2 bpos had a production limit.
new question: can you invent from t2 bpo's and is it easier to get a t2 bpc from looking at a t2 bpo?
making bpcs from a t2 bpo takes longer than producing an actual unit with that bpo, so its usually not done
well ofc course every t1 or t2 bpo has a production limit, it is called build time  |
Reptzo
Channel 4 News Team
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Haradgrim
Edited by: Haradgrim on 27/08/2008 18:13:37
Originally by: Admiral Apex
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Most invention is much more profitable than invention, which is fairly profitable.
typo?
Yes, I'm getting sleepy
clearly i have a great misconception about t2 bpos. can you explain briefly(if possible) how t2 bpo's are less profitable than invention(sometimes)?
I did a bit of a double take on that to, what do you mean Vista? i mean what you were actually saying, not the typo
I would say, often due to the price of the t2 bpos, it takes 2-3 years sometimes to pay off the investment. Meanwhile, prices can crash, making it take longer, or cost could go up, mean less units moved due to subsequent price increases.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Apex
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Most invention is much more profitable than invention, which is fairly profitable.
typo?
Yes, I'm getting sleepy
clearly i have a great misconception about t2 bpos. can you explain briefly(if possible) how t2 bpo's are less profitable than invention(sometimes)?
Well. The problem about T2 bpo's is that you can't actually use more than 1 production slots at the time. Invention allows you to use as many slots as you have. Right now, the T2 BPO's I have seen for sale has less than 3% monthly return on investment
Some of the BPO's I have seen makes between 1 and 10 mill profit per day. But with the production profit you can get from invention, per slot per day, is more like 3-7 millions. So it's much more profitable in that sense. But it DOES take more work. But you don't have to do a big investment in buying a T2 bpo, which is often 2-50 billions. |
Admiral Apex
Amarr
Dead 2 Rights
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:23:00 -
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thanks guys for your input.
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Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Admiral Apex
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Most invention is much more profitable than invention, which is fairly profitable.
typo?
Yes, I'm getting sleepy
clearly i have a great misconception about t2 bpos. can you explain briefly(if possible) how t2 bpo's are less profitable than invention(sometimes)?
Well. The problem about T2 bpo's is that you can't actually use more than 1 production slots at the time. Invention allows you to use as many slots as you have. Right now, the T2 BPO's I have seen for sale has less than 3% monthly return on investment
Some of the BPO's I have seen makes between 1 and 10 mill profit per day. But with the production profit you can get from invention, per slot per day, is more like 3-7 millions. So it's much more profitable in that sense. But it DOES take more work. But you don't have to do a big investment in buying a T2 bpo, which is often 2-50 billions.
The point is though you wouldn't have to buy the T2 BPO because chances are you already have it from the lottery. Invention will never be cheaper than already having a T2 BPO, never. And with the ability to research that T2 BPO it just widens the gap of profitability. How can someone compete with a -4 BPC with someone that has a ME 100 BPO? I know how. You build for minimal to no profit, or just keep it for personal/corp use.
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Suboran
Gallente
Victory Not Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Haradgrim
Edited by: Haradgrim on 27/08/2008 17:47:14
High sec capitals
An advantage held by some but unattainable to others
It was hardly an advantage, more of a status symbol, a relic from old times. such is the same with most games, players have 'pre nerf items' ect.. and older players should have an edge over younger ones.
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