Oh so powerful then they join a random corp and get told to stay docked for a week.

The only corp that forces their membership to dock while wardecced is the University. Every other corp, big and small, they learn to adapt, they learn to play the game. The University doesn't teach people how to play the game, they farm votes for Kelduum. :)

Those without it do what EvE Uni does, as it's the only way to make wardeccers get bored.

With a "cat vs mice" mechanism it'd be more fun. Pinning the targets with no escape is just going to work so much before they suddenly recall they are paying for getting unilateral abuse.

Or you can create insta-undocks and learn how to use d-scan and local. You can still function as an industrialist under a wardec, and not go looking for fights. Run some clones out to the assends of highsec and jump between them every 24hrs, and do your stuff. Don't keep operating in your usual haunts.

ADAPT.

The only corp that forces their membership to dock while wardecced is the University.

A couple of weeks ago some two man corp threatened to war dec my three man corp if I didn't pay them off. I politely told them that

• I wasn't afraid my alts would desert the corp,
• it would be a nuisance to take down my POS, but I had the standings to set it up again later,
• I could do everything I needed to keep my business running besides moving stuff from a cloaked covops anywhere in the relevant region,
• courier contracts aren't that expensive, and
• I'd been looking for an excuse to try Star Trek Online anyway.

Never heard anything more from them. The proposed war dec changes won't have any real impact on me.

That said, the proposal is a lazy one, that does nothing to solve the problems it's supposed to. Large corps will make it unprofitable to dec them by inflating their numbers instead of setting up dec shields. Denied a way to shed the war dec, small corps that aren't interested in fighting will splinter or the members will play something else for a week. War decs will, as they are now, only be useful for griefing or mutual combat.

If EvE will shrink back to 30k hi sec though guys subs I'll have less competition and make easier money.

I suppose CCP did not want those carebears subs anyway.

War is about objectives. Wardecs still haven't any objectives other than metagaming ie extorsion, pvp or plain grief.

Yep! This is my problem here. To declare war, you should need to declare an objective. Either "that installation on that planet neets to go" or "your POCOs need to be destroyed" or "we want that moon your HS POS is anchored at because the view is pretty" or "this ice field belongs to us, your lazors can't lock our ice anymore" or something. Create objectives, reduce griefing for griefing's sake.

What if my objective is to just make your life miserable, because I don't like you very much? Seems like a valid objective to me. Just because you don't like, doesn't make it invalid.

With safeties in place that requires we honour our contracts.

Small starter corps have been doing fine the past eight years. These changes actually make things a tad easier for them.

Sorry I can't hear you over the 200,000 new subscribers that Incarna brought. Oh wait, I mean the droves of people who left because of Incarna. And subscriptions skyrocketed back up the instant CCP announced a war themed expansion and more ships in space. So I guess that proves the exact opposite of what you are saying.

You are just full of hot air that doesn't represent the playerbase of EVE at all. Maybe if you undocked or *gasp* interacted with other people you'd learn about what other players want.

Still looks broken to me. Its too complicated for new players. Just remove war dec mechanism. Theres more than enough ganking in eve. They don't want to let it go but they should.

i wonder how the game would balance territorialy if you just had a war option where you could fight everbody else that wanted to fight. Make your sides up as you go with standigs. All these agression and war mechanics seem anal to me. do this if this blah blah blah, You want to fight, just fight, total war, no place to hide ya know? We got channels mailing lists all kinfd of voice and forum coms. We could obsolete the whole corp infrastructure. Its as borked as the war dec from any point of view I have seen.

Well, I look at things from the perspective of the game world. I'm against catering game mechanics to deal with real-life personality conflicts. I rather see wars fought because someone wants to monopolize planets instead of "SUCK DEEZ NUTZ MUTHAFUCKA!!!11" Of course, you could still grief with objectives but at least then it makes more sense within the game setting.

Wardec fees should be based on the size of the attacker not the defender, or flat fees that are not prohibitively expensive should be used.

Perhaps there may be some value in the shame tag for people joining a corp that is at war as well.

I dunno, I'd just prefer completely disabling a corp's ability to accept new members during a war.