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Mistyevening
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Posted - 2008.08.28 04:36:00 -
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I was thinking of specializing onto drake just because it's kinda cheap when fully modded with T2 stuff. The reason is, i'm getting kinda bored on the mission grinding and looking onto PvP in near future when i get my missile skills upto high heavens.
The problem here is the skill Battlecuisers.. Considering IF i'll go for battleships someday the skill isn't worth taking to lvl 5 or is it? Although, it gives a huge bonus on Drake.. so.. i don't know.
As for my missile skills, they suck. I got just enough on the skills to go for Cruise missiles if i ever will.
Any suggestions etc alot appreciated.
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Red zeon
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.28 06:23:00 -
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i was in the same place as you a while back.
tho i trained drake to pretty good, acc to eft it did 435dps, anyway went on to raven not so long ago, didnt take long at all until i did 600dps with cruise, so i dont see any real reason to stay with drake and train it since it wont stand out unless you put all modules for tank. but then again it aint much more than a spectater :)
anyhow when the raven did same dps as my drake, (acc to eft anyway) still it popped the rats much faster, so i think eft is using completly wrong formulas for comparing the different missile systems, cruise missile has alot bigger base shield dmg and base armor dmg.
short answer. go for raven.
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.08.28 07:07:00 -
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raven > drake for pvp.
raven > drake for best ISK/hour in missions.
drake > raven until you got raven skills trained up high enough/got enough ISK.
My 2 ISK, but hope that helps.
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Horatio Nately
Caldari
808 Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.29 04:32:00 -
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Tbh, The Ravens can be cheaper to fit/fly/lose in PvP. Also, they have the potential to do more damage. (Torps +TPs)
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Alex Reillo
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Posted - 2008.08.29 06:59:00 -
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 can torps be good in mission running also?
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.08.29 07:35:00 -
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Generally no, because of the low range.
Diary of a pod pilot |
Miner Misty
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Posted - 2008.08.29 07:55:00 -
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thx for the replies.
Anyone got any opinions on Nighthawk? Less lauchers points but the overall looks fantastic for shield tanking?
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Lord Toadfoot
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Posted - 2008.08.29 13:34:00 -
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Flew an L4 recently with a corpmate in a Nighthawk, the DPS was maybe a little behind my CNR but not much.
The tank on the Nighthawk is insane......as is the training schedule to get in one
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Baun Katai
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Posted - 2008.08.29 14:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Mistyevening
The problem here is the skill Battlecuisers.. Considering IF i'll go for battleships someday the skill isn't worth taking to lvl 5 or is it? Although, it gives a huge bonus on Drake.. so.. i don't know.
BC at lvl 5 is a pre requisite for Command Ships, so it could be useful if you plan to fly one eventually
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Darkerz
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Posted - 2008.08.29 15:11:00 -
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when i was in my drake... it was about ~100 days to get to a command ship let alone to fit it
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Mistyevening
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Posted - 2008.08.30 11:13:00 -
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uhh.. well considering jumping from passive tanking drake to active raven.. and the skills learned are mostly for the passive one.. what do you guys suggest? i need a goal here.
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Lord Toadfoot
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Posted - 2008.08.30 12:11:00 -
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The Raven requires good skills if you don't want an expensive loss, you also need to be more alert with an active tank watching both your shield damage and the amount of cap you have and judging when to boost. Don't rush into it and you will do fine, while you are training all of these skills will help with your drake.
Energy Management and Energy Systems Operation as high as possible, you NEED cap for an active tank. Shield Compensation helps with the shield booster's cap draw. Jury Rigging I, you will need Capacitor Control Circuit rigs.
Shield Operation and Shield Management you should already have fairly high but get them to IV at least. Tactical Shield Manipulation IV gives you T2 hardeners which are well worthwhile.
Drones are all but essential to kill frigates so Drones, Combat Drone Operation, Drone Interfacing, Drone Durability, Scout Drone Operation.
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Mistyevening
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Posted - 2008.08.30 12:34:00 -
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Man.. you are a blast you know that?.. jesus.. thx a ton mate.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.31 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: Miner Misty
Anyone got any opinions on Nighthawk? Less lauchers points but the overall looks fantastic for shield tanking?
First looks can be deceiving.
It's quite the opposite when fully fit.
Drake tanks better, NH deals more damage.
Reasons ?
You may have an extra low, but you're missing a rig slot and a midslot, and base shile HP aren't all that great either even if two resists are awesome. You end up tanking slightly better on thermal, about on par on kinetic, and worse on EM and explosive.
On the Drake, you have trouble even fiting two BCUs and a full T2 fit otherwise, yet in the NH you can easily place 3 BCUs and that with an otherwise full T2 fit. Plus, the 6 launchers work like 8 launchers due to the RoF bonus, compared to the 7 a Drake has. One extra damage mod and one extra (even if just virtual) launcher means much better damage... and the precision bonus helps down small NPC targets so fast it's unreal.
In missions where enemies are weak to kinetic and/or full of smaller NPCs, a Nighthawk or even a Drake could beat a Raven in mission completion times, or at least finish just as fast. For missions where most enemies are BS-sized and/or missions where enemies have high kinetic resists however, a Raven is much better.
In both cases, with a cheap fit (max T2 stuff, no crystals), both the NH and the Drake are far safer than a Raven.
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Victor Kruger
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Posted - 2008.08.31 19:11:00 -
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Also keep in mind that the BC skill is also valid for other races BC's. So if you ever decide to crosstrain you'll have full bonuses on those ships as well.
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
Caldari
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.09.01 14:22:00 -
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I would cross train. . . |
Quincunx
Minmatar
Subspace Anomaly
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Posted - 2008.09.01 16:58:00 -
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I would personally train BC to 5 anyway (and already have). |
Manu Hermanus
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.09.01 22:46:00 -
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Edited by: Manu Hermanus on 01/09/2008 22:45:54
meh, get something more fun to fly.
and torp raven works fine for missions, just have to be a little creative with your fit. and it works great for pvp. |
Kazuma Saruwatari
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.02 02:45:00 -
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I PvP-ed in a T1weapon T2tank Drake.
I've been able to net a few BC kills (granted, mostly horrible mission-runner setups from 2-3 month old players).
I see potential in it to this day, before and after any potential nano "nerf".
Torp Raven, however... |
Salpad
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.02 09:25:00 -
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You say that you are tired of missions, and that is fair enough, but if you get the missioning itch again, I can easily imagine a bunch of Raven or Golem pilots that would appreciate having a wingman in a Drake, on level 4 missions.
A wingman's job, on missions (and presumably also while belt ratting, or during exploration fights), is to kill the NPCs that are too small relative to the main ship's weapons, and for a Drake wingman it can also AFAIK act as a tank, i.e. warping or gating in first, to draw aggro. Then a few seconds later the gank-optimized BS warps or gates in and starts shooting NPC ships out of the sky,
Dunno how workable it is. Trust is an issue; personally I'd prefer only doing this with someone I knew and trusted, but then again a few trial runs on level 3s to gauge that the other dude is trustworthy and has basic competence... That sounds doable to me.
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Drykor
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.09.02 15:25:00 -
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You can do missions ALOT faster in a Raven. You will need level 4 to 5 in the tanking/cap skills to not die though.
BC 5 is nice to have in the future but if you're not looking into flying command ships yet, I would put it off for now. Overall the Raven is a better allround pvp ship than the Drake if you ask me.
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