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Lt Angus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:12:00 -
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zydrine was 3500+ before drone regions, whether all the other things that have changed since then will affect it getting there again is yet to be seen but its exciting times thats for sure |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
443
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:57:00 -
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More to the landscape than just minerals and money is changing. This is hard to quantify, or even be 100% sure as to the direction things will go, so use salt to taste.
Crimewatch and Wardec changes are going to lead to increased PVP in high sec. This is a pure speculation on my part based on little more than gut feeling. As the systems become more "fair", more people will be willing to participate. Now of course this is Eve and it may be short order before some amusable mechanic is discovered and all my assumptions are worth zip. If my gut is right, more ships will be blowing up and more people will be happy to let them blow up, even their own.
A second thing not much yet discussed is shield booster charges, also mentioned as a coming change but so far not discussed, we don't have enough details. These things are going to use up something, and I am going to guess, based on the only similar item in the game, cap boosters, that these new charges will consume minerals. How popular they are in high sec is debatable as it applies to crimewatch and the new wardec system, but I suspect they'll make an impact on nullsec and lowsec, and consume more minerals.
If these charges are successful and popular with players, I'd not be surprised to see the new mechanic expanded into other types of modules.
Edit - " amusable mechanic " is a typo overlooked by the spell checker. It is supposed to read "abuseable mechanic", since there is no word "abuseable" I suppose I can't fault the spell checker too much. Amusable seems appropriate however, so left as is. |
Mercur Fighter
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:22:00 -
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JD Rocketfeller wrote:According to Fanfest slide that said "drogue region iteration". They didnt really talk about it though so I imagine it will be a stealthy nerf.
It's times like these when I wish I had invested in 100 mil units of zydrine, instead of 35 mil. Prices might have gone up but either way I'm not happy :P |
Nick BlueStar
BlueStar LLC
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:11:00 -
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To quote a movie: "Bulls make money, Bears make money, pigs get eaten."
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Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
318
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:40:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Short-term, yes it could hit prices like that, long-term it would make the ABC ores more profitable then running anoms or other ISK-making opportunities. Plus it will become profitable to buy and melt existing items on the market as a source of minerals if prices spike too far. So at some point, the market would correct the imbalance.
Null-sec ores being worth 500 ISK/m3 is probably about the long-term number, dropping back to 400 ISK/m3 by the fall. That would be prices approximating:
Trit 5.00 Pye 6.50 Mex 65 Iso 100 Nocx 520 Zyd 2800 Mega 4000 Morph 7500 Veld 150 Scor 137 Pyro 181 Plag 182 Omb 110 Kern 189 Croc 508 Bist 511 Ark 560
Or if you want to be more pessimistic:
Trit 6.50 Pye 7.50 Mex 75 Iso 120 Nocx 650 Zyd 3200 Mega 5500 Morph 9000 Veld 195 Scor 171 Pyro 221 Plag 212 Omb 132 Kern 222 Croc 585 Bist 634 Ark 740
I'm not sure that Ark can maintain that price premium as every last scrap will be mined out.
you forget the the chaining mechanism of NPC+¡ng. This basicly means that the high end battleships were killed much more and artificialy raising supply of only high end ores...... IOW your estmate prices will double at least for the top high ends... CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Mookie Quantico
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:01:00 -
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lafforet wrote:Exactly, zydrine was speculation. It will hit nocxium much harder:
I ordered my "I Love Nocx" t-shirt from CCP right after the Dr. E flatly refused to comment about Drone Alloys, several times -- with a "cat that ate the canary" grin on his face the whole time.
Grab a few cold ones and enjoy the ride !
Mook
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SamtheDog
Singularity.
4
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:02:00 -
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Mr Blue wrote:http://www.eve-guides.com/Ore/alloys.php should give you a clear picture.
the question isnt if minerals gonna go up, because it will. question is how many hidden stacks is there in someones hangar and how much will the speculation effect the prices(both long and short term).
right now mega and zyd speculators is very vocal, zyd have been alrdy "bursted once" , tho ive no doubt prices will go up again as its a lot of speculators working with it atm. the question is more like, will the speculators touch the other minerals aswell?
Ive personally made 3-4b (I only have 10b liquid to speculate with atm) so far on the zyd and mega, tho I sold myself out and bought 7b of nocx...(so there you got my agenda). I also got a nice stash of isogen, but Im got the feeling market might be able to adjust itself and compensate for the iso loss(by mining more/looting more) on that one.
Nocx? Very risky imho. Nocx was never really meant to be so high. The 6x price jump is already unprecedented.
As I mentioned earlier, zydrine has been far too low for too long, and when you see that, you know eventually things will be modified. Nocx is abnormally high atm. To suggest it will go even higher is somewhat questionable and goes against the historic patterns withing the game seen by players over the years.
However, best of luck to you on your gamble.
Sam |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
76
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:39:00 -
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SamtheDog wrote:To suggest it will go even higher is somewhat questionable and goes against the historic patterns withing the game seen by players over the years.
Says the blowhard who called for 13k zyd. |
SamtheDog
Singularity.
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:48:00 -
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corestwo wrote:SamtheDog wrote:To suggest it will go even higher is somewhat questionable and goes against the historic patterns withing the game seen by players over the years. Says the blowhard who called for 13k zyd.
I stand by the prediction, and I put nearly 340bn isk into it to back it up.
Did you put your isk where your beliefs are or did you just put a token amount of isk into your view?
Sam |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
83
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:04:00 -
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SamtheDog wrote:I stand by the prediction, and I put nearly 340bn isk into it to back it up.
So you say.
And yes, I've got isk invested. No doubt a "token" amount to someone who claims to have a third of a trillion invested, but it's there. Don't get me wrong, I'd be thrilled if your prediction were right. I just very much doubt it is. |
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fugazii
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:04:00 -
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It may go back to pre drone prices but not pre conquerable station prices. 13k is a fools dream. |
March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
146
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:05:00 -
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JD Rocketfeller wrote:According to Fanfest slide that said "drogue region iteration". They didnt really talk about it though so I imagine it will be a stealthy nerf. well. i don't think last droneland war started because of future nerf |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
318
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:07:00 -
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I bought 15 mil units of morhpite at 3300 isk pu 2-3 months ago...... morphite will surly hit the 10k isk per unit like it did before CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Breaker77
Reclamation Industries
55
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:46:00 -
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I wish there was a place that was hard to find but much safer than 0.0 space to mine ABC's and Mercoxit.
Oh wait, all the WH dwellers will change over to mining once the ISK per hour exceeds running sleeper sites for T3 materials.
If you look over the past few years of market data you will find that once WH space was added the high end mineral prices dropped like a rock. It's kind hard to imagine making 30-40 mil per hour mining high end ores, but that is exactly what happened when WH space was added, at least at first. Then once everyone realized how safe WH mining was, everyone started doing it. Even a boring C1 WH can have grav sites that spawn enough ore to supply 5 or 6 miners with 8 or 9 hours of nonstop mining of just the high end ores.
If you think of all the people who live out of WH space who just ignore grav sites, this will add up to a sizable number. They will either start mining, find miners to join them, or "rent" space to miners.
2500 systems full of high end ores WILL make a difference once people start mining them!
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xNEWxTROLLxHEREx
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:30:00 -
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Too late to buy in? |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
406
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:42:00 -
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xNEWxTROLLxHEREx wrote:Too late to buy in? Not at all.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
xNEWxTROLLxHEREx
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:45:00 -
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Abatu
Boosts' Loft
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:20:00 -
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So the bet are on Zydrine? :) |
Chevalleis
The Legendary Conquest
111
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Posted - 2012.03.28 07:27:00 -
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I'm still wondering why nocx didn't go up like zyd and morph. Perhaps because it's available from more sources? |
lafforet
Amarr Royal Trust Bank
7
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:14:00 -
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Answer is simple - you need hundreds of billions to manipulate each of the markets. No one noticed that drone poo removal is still only to come? |
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Amon Calis
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 10:12:00 -
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Seems zydrine has stabilized this afternoon, 1600 or s/unit. Probably won't last long.... |
papamike
Precipice Industries
20
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Posted - 2012.03.28 10:37:00 -
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Amon Calis wrote:Seems zydrine has stabilized this afternoon, 1600 or s/unit. Probably won't last long....
Calm before inevitable shitstorm come day after patch day.
Considering the hype and sheer size of invested capital, im not sure whether prices will plummet with all the short term investors dumping stock or rise rapidly with all the long term investors helping force the speculation bubble.
The price is artificially high atm, but because the nerf is spreading like wildfire, everyone is holding off on selliing except those who were happy to buy in @ 700-800 and cash out @ 1600.
Cant complain about 100% ROI in 30days. |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
319
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:01:00 -
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im slowly selling 200 mil units, so yeah it will be stabilizing :p... took me 5 months to buy not bad though few 100b profit :p CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3182
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:06:00 -
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SamtheDog wrote:Damn.
From CCP itself, 40% of high end minerals coming from drone regions is going to be stopped.
That will have an immediate and incredibly dramatic effect on the prices of high end minerals.
I also noticed that right after that interview, zydrine is now 1490 bid / 1560 sell.
I'm going to assume that most who are selling have not seen the video or haven't the proper information.
This change is so dramatic, I feel a 10x increase was too small (750 -> 7500 per unit of zydrine).
I'm leaning towards 10-13k now per unit if this happens when supply is cut literally in half.
And the mad dash towards buying has aleady begun and shows now real signs of abating..I may buy another 20bn of zydrine myself.
Sam
Aren't you ignoring the fact the non-drone sources have been fantastically increased? W-space alone could easily supply the whole game if the incentive was sufficient, and 7.5kp/u would definitely be sufficient, since that's what? 80M/hr+ per Hulk? 100M/hr? Not to mention the largely untouched ABC belts in sov 0.0, not to mention the potential from mining anoms in Industrially Upgraded sov systems. I'm no great fan of mining, but I have Hulk capable characters on both of my accounts and for 200M/hr you can bet I'd get them both shooting rocks right away.
High ends will rise to the level it which it pays to mine in nullsec and no higher. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Mookie Quantico
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:13:00 -
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papamike wrote: Considering the hype and sheer size of invested capital, im not sure whether prices will plummet with all the short term investors dumping stock or rise rapidly with all the long term investors helping force the speculation bubble.
Quite likely a roller-coaster cycle of both -- but with an overall upward trend.
People are citing the pre-Drone regions prices -- which is only part of the story. Overall, there are simply more consumers, buiding bigger ships, (and blowing them up) in the EVE economy these days... so going back to pre-Drone Alloy supply levels (or anywhere near such levels) is hilarious.
But as for Nocxium, well, the Hi Sec ore source Pyro gives a pitiful amount compared to almost any other source in Low, Null and W-space... Drone Alloys being 50-51% of the Nocx supply.
Folks might also remember a very recent BLOG by CCP Screegs about how many botter recently got nuked... that would be THIS YEAR's cull, not last year's.
Endorse or refute as many or as few factors as you like... the simple mathematics of diminishing supply isn't hard to grasp.
Mook. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3182
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:35:00 -
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Even excluding the drone regions, potential supply is vastly higher than it was pre-drone regions. Active population as maybe doubled, but W-space alone has more than doubled the potential supply, without even counting mining anomalies.
EDIT: Not to mention Orcas, Rorquals, Hulks that are 200M not 500M, the generally higher average SP level, much more efficient supply chains (Jump Freighters, Jump Bridges) and probably several other factors all of which mean that potential supply will still exceed demand. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
SamtheDog
Singularity.
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:36:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:SamtheDog wrote:Damn.
From CCP itself, 40% of high end minerals coming from drone regions is going to be stopped.
That will have an immediate and incredibly dramatic effect on the prices of high end minerals.
I also noticed that right after that interview, zydrine is now 1490 bid / 1560 sell.
I'm going to assume that most who are selling have not seen the video or haven't the proper information.
This change is so dramatic, I feel a 10x increase was too small (750 -> 7500 per unit of zydrine).
I'm leaning towards 10-13k now per unit if this happens when supply is cut literally in half.
And the mad dash towards buying has aleady begun and shows now real signs of abating..I may buy another 20bn of zydrine myself.
Sam Aren't you ignoring the fact the non-drone sources have been fantastically increased? W-space alone could easily supply the whole game if the incentive was sufficient, and 7.5kp/u would definitely be sufficient, since that's what? 80M/hr+ per Hulk? 100M/hr? Not to mention the largely untouched ABC belts in sov 0.0, not to mention the potential from mining anoms in Industrially Upgraded sov systems. I'm no great fan of mining, but I have Hulk capable characters on both of my accounts and for 200M/hr you can bet I'd get them both shooting rocks right away. High ends will rise to the level it which it pays to mine in nullsec and no higher.
I tend to make around 500M/hr doing what I do when I do it. A slow day for me is around 400M/hr, a good one is around 600M.
It's not something that can be taken away, contested or rented. It's 100% secure and legit and free of the annoyaces of game poltics.
Sam |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
92
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:45:00 -
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Your claims of half a billion an hour are literally less than irrelevant. Not everyone claims to be or is even interested in being a pro trader. |
SamtheDog
Singularity.
6
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:43:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Your claims of half a billion an hour are literally less than irrelevant. Not everyone claims to be or is even interested in being a pro trader.
I'm not a trader. Never really traded in Jita for anything other than what I wanted to buy.
Sorry to dissapoint.
Sam |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
105
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:59:00 -
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SamtheDog wrote:corestwo wrote:Your claims of half a billion an hour are literally less than irrelevant. Not everyone claims to be or is even interested in being a pro trader. I'm not a trader. Never really traded in Jita for anything other than what I wanted to buy. Sorry to dissapoint. Sam
So substitute "whatever you do" for "pro trader". It's still a valid point, and your half billion an hour claims are still less than irrelevant. |
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