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5pinDizzy
Amarr
Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 29/08/2008 21:41:27
Every single ship class I've been through many times.
Every single ship has or can be made to have survivability in a fleet battle or when engaging a cruiser sized ship+.
The tech 1 destroyers or the obsolete light interdictor has neither of these.
Over countless attempts trying all sorts of wacky setups on it, no amount of money or skills can fix a ship class that is just plain suck.
They simply don't have the slots or the ability.
- The tech 1 version reaches a ceiling speed limit around a patheric 2km/sec, and the tech 2 version barely much higher.
- They have the signal radius of a cruiser.
- They are so paper thin they are alpha'd from just about anything going that's bigger then them.
OR for the sake of it
Give everyone who has Destroyer V and Interdictors V their wasted skill training time back, and make the FAR more useful Heavy Interdictor requirement not dependant on these useless skills.
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Yes they are king of any fight that only involves destroyers and lower, but even the tech 2 versions are meh.
In a world where everything up to a cruiser can fit an insane speedtank and survive the mob. Whereas anything slow like the battlecruiser and the battleship can fit an insane enough tank to withstand it. The destroyer is the odd one out, the ******ed kid of the family that just goes boom.
But I'm sure someone will dredge up a very favourable example of why they are useful somehow because they don't want a threat to something they fly that a destroyer might provide a counter to.
Ok I'll shuttup, post your thoughts/one liners/flames plz.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:42:00 -
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Dictors are not obsolete, quit whinin' about them.
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masternerdguy
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:42:00 -
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i find that a passive shield tank in the mids with a tackling mod and a damage control in lowz is an excellent fleet set up.
And they need to fix the capital first as in
1. give em hi sec ability
2. t2 and faction variants
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:42:00 -
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All they need to do is lower the CRAZY Sig radius of Destroyers.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:43:00 -
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Destroyer ain't no joke, observe:
A horse walks into a bar and the bartender goes "Why the long destroyer?"
Just doesn't work 
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:44:00 -
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*groans*
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: Frug on 29/08/2008 21:45:48
Why'd the caldari end up in jail for murder?
His wife was stealing corp assets, so he figured he'd destroyer.
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Trent Nichols
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:49:00 -
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Destroyer = salvage ship. CCP just needs to change the name 
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Euriti
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:49:00 -
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imo, there are 3 problems with the class:
1. Speed - this issue is not that big but they're very heavy and they don't go very fast eliminating the advantage of a frig sized ship.
2. Signature radius - It has a way too big signature radius, double the size of frigates! This needs to be reduced.
3. Slot layout. Rifter has more low/med slots than the thrasher. Reduce highs by 2-3 slots and add it as low/midslot and it'll be much more attractive imo. Coupled with more speed and bit lower sig radius (55-60) they'll be to frigs what BCs are to cruisers.
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5pinDizzy
Amarr
Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 29/08/2008 21:53:08
 Originally by: Soporo
All they need to do is lower the CRAZY Sig radius of Destroyers.
This is what I'm moaning about btw.
Can't make them uber fast or that's unfair to AF's.
*wait wait I got one*
Nock Nock
Who's there?
Destroyer.
Destroyer Who?
Destroyer Maclure, you may remember me from "Things I hate to see people whine about", and "oh no, not another Thread about a pet hate." 
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masternerdguy
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Trent Nichols
Destroyer = salvage ship. CCP just needs to change the name
no destroyer is a cheap compramise between a frigate and a cruiser. its a stepping stone
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Norma Stitz
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Give everyone who has Destroyer V and Interdictors V their wasted skill training time back, and make the FAR more useful Heavy Interdictor requirement not dependant on these useless skills.
hvy dictor doesn't need those skills
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Somealt Ofmine
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:54:00 -
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I used to solo/small gang quite a bit in my sabre. I haven't flown one in a long time, and I seem to remember the devs threatening a speed nerf on them.
Did that actually happen? If it did, I can see why they'd suck now, but they used to be fun.
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5pinDizzy
Amarr
Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Norma Stitz
Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Give everyone who has Destroyer V and Interdictors V their wasted skill training time back, and make the FAR more useful Heavy Interdictor requirement not dependant on these useless skills.
hvy dictor doesn't need those skills
Really? Alls well then :D Not needing Interdictors skill, I'd never have thought it.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Originally by: Norma Stitz
Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Give everyone who has Destroyer V and Interdictors V their wasted skill training time back, and make the FAR more useful Heavy Interdictor requirement not dependant on these useless skills.
hvy dictor doesn't need those skills
Really? Alls well then :D Not needing Interdictors skill, I'd never have thought it.
Well then, perhaps if you actually looked at the things you were whining about/saying are so much better, you actually would've known.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Norma Stitz
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Posted - 2008.08.29 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Originally by: Norma Stitz
Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Give everyone who has Destroyer V and Interdictors V their wasted skill training time back, and make the FAR more useful Heavy Interdictor requirement not dependant on these useless skills.
hvy dictor doesn't need those skills
Really? Alls well then :D Not needing Interdictors skill, I'd never have thought it.
I do agree that destroyers are a bit rubbish, but it really is about the sig radius (as mentioned above)
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.08.29 22:05:00 -
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There are about a dozen threads in the features and ideas forum on how to fix/enhance/expand the destroyer class. I am sure one of the ideas was at least good enough to inspire a dev for something.
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masternerdguy
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Posted - 2008.08.29 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
There are about a dozen threads in the features and ideas forum on how to fix/enhance/expand the destroyer class. I am sure one of the ideas was at least good enough to inspire a dev for something.
they need 2 let capitals in hi sec and make t2/faction variants of em.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.08.29 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Frug
*groans*
Well i told you it doesn't work! 
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Thorradin
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.29 23:35:00 -
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The Thrasher called, it's done one-volleying some poor frigate and finds this thread offensive.
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HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.30 00:26:00 -
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i love my little fw destroyer
stfu and learn to fly
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Leviathan9
Gallente
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.08.30 00:32:00 -
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5pinDizzy, Destroyers are fine perfectly fine. Destroyers are kings or anti-frig. Funny thing is that most people think what you think and engage them in their little friggies, only to get killed in 2-3 vollies. DD's are kings of anti-frig, they don't need changing.
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Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2008.08.30 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Thorradin
The Thrasher called, it's done one-volleying some poor frigate and finds this thread offensive.
Thats funny, I have a message here from a comro-somethigrather... he says, FORE!!!
Whats that all about?
/Cormorant decloaks 80km off.
/Cormorant locks 2 intys.
/Intys pop
//cormorant slowly fades into the background.
Yeah, nothing wrong with destroyers.
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yrknat
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Posted - 2008.08.30 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: masternerdguy
destroyer is a cheap compramise between a frigate and a cruiser. its a stepping stone
this is flatout wrong and why you are having problems. destroyer is a very specialized ship. it does 1 thing very well, snipe frigates. crazy tracking and large alpha. Thrasher 1-2 volleys almost any frigate in the game.
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BiggestT
Caldari
Space Oddysey
Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.08.30 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Destroyer ain't no joke, observe:
A horse walks into a bar and the bartender goes "Why the long destroyer?"
Just doesn't work
omg AWESOME
but i think destroyers ahve thier niche, their great in fw in those rooms were only t1-frigs/destroyers allowed plus any room that doesnt allow cruisers..plus if ur in a largish gang, ur not gonna get primaried and can hence pop the nasty tacklers..
oh yeah and their great salvegers :P
Proudly annoying FC's since 2007
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Elurilmar
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Posted - 2008.08.30 01:32:00 -
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Destroyers are anti-frig, anti- inty and great for level 1 missions or rooms where only destroyers and frigs are allowed. Also, to re-iterate what was said before, rarely will you ever be primaried in a fleet.
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Acinonyx Jubatus
Wyverns of Dionysus
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.08.30 02:24:00 -
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Light dictors are far from obsolete... if you don't have a hictor pilot... what do you do?
Tote an anchorable bubble around and let it anchor at every gate hoping to catch the guy who just entered? :/
light dictor > no bubble at all.
Not to mention, it has better warp abilities, while it's no where near heavy ones in terms of survivability of a direct offense. It also has the option to swoop in and do a bubble drive-by. Both require two totally different tactics to use properly.
That said the flycatcher is a total fat***.
Destroyers on the otherhand, eh, their problem is they need to be T2 fitted to do their best, but then they become T2 pinatas due to their lack of defense. not to mention sig radius and other assorted goodies, but I don't really fly them so I can't comment.
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Thorradin
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.30 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake
Originally by: Thorradin
The Thrasher called, it's done one-volleying some poor frigate and finds this thread offensive.
Thats funny, I have a message here from a comro-somethigrather... he says, FORE!!!
Whats that all about?
/Cormorant decloaks 80km off.
/Cormorant locks 2 intys.
/Intys pop
//cormorant slowly fades into the background.
Yeah, nothing wrong with destroyers.
*high five*
The only way dessies would be more uber would be if they released tier2 dessies that were a step up like teir 2 BCs aka mini myrm/drake/cane/harb.
Caldari - Mallard, 6 launchers 7highs
Gallente - Helot, 4 turret points, 50 bandwidth, 100m3 dronebay, 6 highs
Amarr - Disciple, 6 turrets 7 highs
Minmatar - Gale, 4 launchers 4 turrets 7 highs
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Barsexual
Castle Greyskull
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Posted - 2008.08.30 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: Frug
Edited by: Frug on 29/08/2008 21:45:48
Why'd the caldari end up in jail for murder?
His wife was stealing corp assets, so he figured he'd destroyer.
lol
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.08.30 04:14:00 -
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Try this for Tier 2 Destroyers
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