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masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.08.29 21:53:00 - [1] I am not talking about new player corps like SAK, but npc corps like militias (yes the entire militia) and scope need to be wardecable. Here is my logic and reasoning. Ok so you take all the players in eve who are in npc corps hiding from war decs. Thats a lot of people. Then you get the joy of seeing 3 year old players in scope and they are in scope because they dont wanna play eve as a multiplayer game. So why should they be left out of the game? Here are the war dec prices. Wardec an npc corp: 150 mill/week Wardec a militia: 500mill/week Those prices are nice and fair, and since you cant wardec a new player corp you dont need to worry about griefing ccp.
Boobiencia Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.29 21:54:00 - [2] and why should it cost more then war deccing an alliance? Sig removed, inappropriate content. Signature graphics may only contain your character name, corporation logo, corporation or personal slogan or other text that is directly related to your in-game persona, or content directly related to EVE Online. All content must be in good taste ~Saint
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.08.29 21:56:00 - [3] Originally by: Boobiencia and why should it cost more then war deccing an alliance? because war decs on militia as and other npc corps would then be abused by pirates to hunt noobs. also wardecing a government institution should cost more imho
Somealt Ofmine	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:02:00 - [4] Originally by: masternerdguy Originally by: Boobiencia and why should it cost more then war deccing an alliance? because war decs on militia as and other npc corps would then be abused by pirates to hunt noobs. also wardecing a government institution should cost more imho Mind telling me how war-deccing a militia is different from just having your corp join the opposing militia? Devs have stated plainly that they don't want alliances dominating FW, even though some are already side-stepping that by deccing individual militia corps.
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:03:00 - [5] Originally by: Somealt Ofmine Originally by: masternerdguy Originally by: Boobiencia and why should it cost more then war deccing an alliance? because war decs on militia as and other npc corps would then be abused by pirates to hunt noobs. also wardecing a government institution should cost more imho Mind telling me how war-deccing a militia is different from just having your corp join the opposing militia? Devs have stated plainly that they don't want alliances dominating FW, even though some are already side-stepping that by deccing individual militia corps. thats exactly the problem. its being side stepped too much. wardecing an entire militia will solve that.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:06:00 - [6] No, they shouldn't be war dec'able. They need to be a refuge for newer players. Or serve the purpose of those wanting to dodge a war dec in a player corp. However they should probably be more restricted in what they are able to do. Players should not want to remain in an NPC corp due to those restrictions. Basically, the restrictions on NPC corps today aren't really enough. As they are now they are too accomodating to the isk selling farmers and alliances wanting to hide portions of their logistics. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Somealt Ofmine	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:10:00 - [7] Edited by: Somealt Ofmine on 29/08/2008 22:12:45 Originally by: masternerdguy thats exactly the problem. its being side stepped too much. wardecing an entire militia will solve that. I strongly support having to take on the whole militia, and being subject to attack by the NPC navy of that faction, if you want to war-dec a militia corp. I think cherry-picking corps to war dec in order to influence the course of FW is lame-ass meta-gaming, and I've said so. As for the rest, the devs have made pretty clear that there's a place for those who just want to carebear it up and not engage in PvP, and that place is NPC corps. You accept some pretty serious limitations to what you can do in the game if you want to go that route, but CCP won't turn your 14.95 away if you do. It seems to really give some players a bad case of the sandy vag that there are players in the game who don't want to PvP, but hey, we don't pay the bills. CCP does. Edit: I do think that something should be done to address people using alts in NPC corps to farm isk or protect the logistics for their PvP characters, and I proposed a solution, but just making the NPC corps deccable isn't the solution, IMO.
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:21:00 - [8] Originally by: Somealt Ofmine Edited by: Somealt Ofmine on 29/08/2008 22:12:45 Originally by: masternerdguy thats exactly the problem. its being side stepped too much. wardecing an entire militia will solve that. I strongly support having to take on the whole militia, and being subject to attack by the NPC navy of that faction, if you want to war-dec a militia corp. I think cherry-picking corps to war dec in order to influence the course of FW is lame-ass meta-gaming, and I've said so. As for the rest, the devs have made pretty clear that there's a place for those who just want to carebear it up and not engage in PvP, and that place is NPC corps. You accept some pretty serious limitations to what you can do in the game if you want to go that route, but CCP won't turn your 14.95 away if you do. It seems to really give some players a bad case of the sandy vag that there are players in the game who don't want to PvP, but hey, we don't pay the bills. CCP does. Edit: I do think that something should be done to address people using alts in NPC corps to farm isk or protect the logistics for their PvP characters, and I proposed a solution, but just making the NPC corps deccable isn't the solution, IMO. well militias at least need to be deccable. or they need 2 implement alliance mutual protection nito militias
Nalena Arlath	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:31:00 - [9] I dont get the logic. You want to wardec the militia, but you don't want to bring your corp into the faction war, or leave your current corp and do factionwars, which then allows you to fight the opposing militia just as you like. Your logic is flawed. You just need to sign up the corp for militia and you have a free wardec against the opposing miltia? Why pay 500mill/week for something that is free anyways. Lame.
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:31:00 - [10] Originally by: Nalena Arlath I dont get the logic. You want to wardec the militia, but you don't want to bring your corp into the faction war, or leave your current corp and do factionwars, which then allows you to fight the opposing militia just as you like. Your logic is flawed. You just need to sign up the corp for militia and you have a free wardec against the opposing miltia? Why pay 500mill/week for something that is free anyways. Lame. alliances cant join militias, if they could then thered be no need for this idea
ikoban Amarr Scarlet Scourge Society	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:33:00 - [11] this is how it should be... Npc corp for 3 months ( non war deccable ) to start the game in. if player has not joined a PC driven corp then they are transfered to a random npc corp in thier chrs race ( picked by random or highest npc corp standing you have ) IE: if i have a 5.87 standing with carthium Conglomerate then thats where i go if i was amarr, failing that and i am a bad boy working missions for apposing faction I get thrown into a corp with my hightest standing in amarr empire even if its negative... so bottom line to start off with. the starter corp is not deccable AT ALL, but after 3 months youre moved to a decable corp. and you have 24 hours to have roles removed or only way to leave is join a corp. but if you leave a war decced corp. while a war dec is in effect you carry the war dec with youre chr for a week! either that or CCP can introduce player war decs. similar to what is happening now. 1v1 is "cheapish" corp vs chr is expensive and Alliance vs chr is hell costly.
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:35:00 - [12] Originally by: ikoban this is how it should be... Npc corp for 3 months ( non war deccable ) to start the game in. if player has not joined a PC driven corp then they are transfered to a random npc corp in thier chrs race ( picked by random or highest npc corp standing you have ) IE: if i have a 5.87 standing with carthium Conglomerate then thats where i go if i was amarr, failing that and i am a bad boy working missions for apposing faction I get thrown into a corp with my hightest standing in amarr empire even if its negative... so bottom line to start off with. the starter corp is not deccable AT ALL, but after 3 months youre moved to a decable corp. and you have 24 hours to have roles removed or only way to leave is join a corp. but if you leave a war decced corp. while a war dec is in effect you carry the war dec with youre chr for a week! either that or CCP can introduce player war decs. similar to what is happening now. 1v1 is "cheapish" corp vs chr is expensive and Alliance vs chr is hell costly. i agree
Celiane Venture	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:43:00 - [13] Why does it bother you SO much that you can't kill someone? And your poor attempt at being illogical with the "Then you get the joy of seeing 3 year old players in scope and they are in scope because they dont wanna play eve as a multiplayer game.", what's up with that? They ARE playing a multi-player game, just not the way you want them too. Fortunately, CCP doesn't seem to have the emotional issues that you are exhibiting by being more concerned with how other people play the game and your selfish need to force other players to recognise your in-game existance. Don't even try the "it's a PvP game" arguement cause if CCP agreed with you, you would not be bothered so much by this. The only advice I can offer is to suck it up, play CCP's game by the rules they have in place, or quit.
Bi Tor Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:52:00 - [14] Fine, you want to War Dec the Militia with your alliance? You War Dec that militia and it's Alliance/Faction. That includes all of the NPC corps in that faction and the factions allies. This way you won't be able to War Dec the Caldari faction and use the agents from a global Caldari crop. And you have all of the fun of the Faction Navy defending their home space.
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:52:00 - [15] Originally by: Bi Tor Fine, you want to War Dec the Militia with your alliance? You War Dec that militia and it's Alliance/Faction. That includes all of the NPC corps in that faction and the factions allies. This way you won't be able to War Dec the Caldari faction and use the agents from a global Caldari crop. And you have all of the fun of the Faction Navy defending their home space. if so then its so. i think goonswarm for example can handle it.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:58:00 - [16] I wish we could declare war on ALL the militias tbh, then we really could take over Eve. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Diarrhea Aguilera	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:26:00 - [17] Originally by: Avon I wish we could declare war on ALL the militias tbh, then we really could take over Eve. lol yeah - wardeccing a bunch of nubs burning isk for nothing - cunning plan ^^
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:29:00 - [18] Originally by: masternerdguy I am not talking about new player corps like SAK, but npc corps like militias (yes the entire militia) and scope need to be wardecable. Here is my logic and reasoning. Ok so you take all the players in eve who are in npc corps hiding from war decs. Thats a lot of people. Then you get the joy of seeing 3 year old players in scope and they are in scope because they dont wanna play eve as a multiplayer game. So why should they be left out of the game? Here are the war dec prices. Wardec an npc corp: 150 mill/week Wardec a militia: 500mill/week Those prices are nice and fair, and since you cant wardec a new player corp you dont need to worry about griefing ccp. The concept of game play other than your own has eluded your grasp thus far hasnt it. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:37:00 - [19] Originally by: Jacob Mei Originally by: masternerdguy I am not talking about new player corps like SAK, but npc corps like militias (yes the entire militia) and scope need to be wardecable. Here is my logic and reasoning. Ok so you take all the players in eve who are in npc corps hiding from war decs. Thats a lot of people. Then you get the joy of seeing 3 year old players in scope and they are in scope because they dont wanna play eve as a multiplayer game. So why should they be left out of the game? Here are the war dec prices. Wardec an npc corp: 150 mill/week Wardec a militia: 500mill/week Those prices are nice and fair, and since you cant wardec a new player corp you dont need to worry about griefing ccp. The concept of game play other than your own has eluded your grasp thus far hasnt it. ..........lol
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:42:00 - [20] Yet another terrible idea brought to you by Masternerguy! TM
Eltanin Draconis	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:45:00 - [21] IÆm all in favor of it, exceptà You canÆt wardec just one corporation, you wardec an entire faction. (Factions are something like NPC alliances.) You are also at war with the militias of course. You canÆt dock at any of that factionÆs stations and station guns will fire on you. Gate guns also fire on you. NPC navies will hunt you down when you are in their space and it needs to be a big response. Not quite a CONCORD level response but it should be a serious threat to anyone. In effect, if you declare war on the Gallente faction you couldnÆt safely enter Gallente space anymore. You could hunt down Gallente players in Caldari space if you wanted. But players in Gallente corps could also go into Caldari space (They arenÆt at war with the Cardari) and hunt you down.
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:47:00 - [22] War dec on militias... possibly. However, let them war dec corps in militias, and have those corps choose to escalate it into a militia war, with deccing corp then taking on all militia rules. War decs on npc corps... never. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:47:00 - [23] Originally by: masternerdguy Originally by: Boobiencia and why should it cost more then war deccing an alliance? because war decs on militia as and other npc corps would then be abused by pirates to hunt noobs. also wardecing a government institution should cost more imho Pirates are not going to PAY to hunt someone that is not a profitable target in the first place.
Ankhesentapemkah	Posted - 2008.08.30 01:22:00 - [24] Since CCP has officially stated that in their opinion wardecs are pay-to-grief, I don't see any reason for implementing anything like this, and it's highly unlikely that CCP will think anything of this. What's the point in having something called high-sec and CONCORD, if you can just dec random people and shoot them anyway? --- Thanks for all that supported me. Let me know if there's anything I can do for you.
Ris Dnalor Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.30 07:21:00 - [25] I want to war dec Concord -- No love for the Matari

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