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F90OEX
F9X
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Posted - 2008.08.30 06:59:00 -
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Investment opportunity In Caldari Navy Ravens (CNR)
Details are several hundred CNRs bought total. Over X amount of months, 100 CNRs per contract.
Projected profits per ship would be no less then 30-40% profit per unit.
In the past for me it has been easy to sell 7-10 CNRs per weekday. On weekends 14 per day.
As for myself....
Sold more CNRs then anyone else in Eve. Total amount of CNRs I've sold is over 1000+ units. I have been buying CNRs from the same supplier (char) for about 16months.
Most of the regular trusted traders know who I am, especially in the Ship Trading Channels/contracts and Mission running systems. But since Eve has 250K+ accounts and people come and go. Not everyone knows who I am or what I do.
The ship...
Stable profits, Easy ship to sell. I never had a problem selling CNR's. I know the CNR market inside out. In the past I've been able to set pricing with CNRs ( i.e have complete control of the market). Every ship I sold to a buyer I have been making a nice profit. More important I have been able to keep the market price stable.
With EVE planning to release New Missions, most players will buy a CNR to run them.
AT THIS TIME
I am looking for ideas and suggestions as to how I go about proposing such an investment, in terms of profit % and issuing shares etc.
I'm not looking to make it complicated, lets say I have 30 investors I want to be able to pay them a % amount of the profits and the 1st of every month until the last ship is sold.
Why I would offer this kinda of opportunity ?. Well again anyone who knows me, knows I have always helped people with donations, tips on trading, people who have got scammed had there ship replaced. CNR ganked in highsec, most have always got a CNR at my cost. People starting out and only have x amount of isk, I have always tried to work something out. Loans, free ships etc.... list goes on and on where I have helped people out.
Again as I have learned with trading there is always going to be risk. But with trading techniques I have learned and I guess to some extent mastered + other investments have made me quite a bit of Isk.
I may or may not do it since it would require a lot of time invested on my part. But at the same time its a 1 time deal, no one has even been able to offer something like this. And keeping Eve interesting for me its something I would like to try.
I am happy to answer your questions. But again I'd really like to hear your ideas and suggestions.
Thanks ..
Again at this time do not send isk.
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Salisuka
Caldari
98.4
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Posted - 2008.08.30 07:34:00 -
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A few questions :
1. Since you've laid out how you're going to make money, could you show us some numbers?
2. How much isk are you hoping to raise?
3. What is the minimum % return you're willing to commit too?
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Roguehalo
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.30 08:19:00 -
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Your entire trading career to date has been based on trading with isk farmers.
It's not really the way we do stuff round here.
I think your post is little more than an exercise in epeen waving tbh.
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Danari
Syncore
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Posted - 2008.08.30 10:19:00 -
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Your portfolio seems about 29 products shy of properly diversified.
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Jackie Fisher
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2008.08.30 11:27:00 -
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If you have a long and successful history of trading CNRs what has changed that makes you now seek investors?
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Auri Hella
Downwind Trading Guild
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Posted - 2008.08.30 15:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Roguehalo
Your entire trading career to date has been based on trading with isk farmers.
If this is true I wouldn't touch this with a ten foot pole to be honest. It makes no sense to invest in something that could be taken away by a single GM in an instant.
Not that I would invest in anything that relies on one single item/product in the first place.
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Amrumm
Rhetorical Devices
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Posted - 2008.08.30 15:51:00 -
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30-40% profit per CNR. Let's say they sell for 400m, so you make at least 100m/CNR. You have sold over a 1000, so your personal capital should be over 100b. Unless you are an alt of Lord 2evil or Brennan Mulwray, i wonder what has come up that you suddenly need an influx of capital.
Of course, if your purpose is simply to hand out ISK, I hear going to Jita and promising in local to pay people 10 times the amount they give you is a popular method.
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F90OEX
F9X
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Posted - 2008.08.30 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo
Your entire trading career to date has been based on trading with isk farmers.
It's not really the way we do stuff round here.
I think your post is little more than an exercise in epeen waving tbh.
Roguehalo
Let's get the facts straight, since you know more about my trading history then I do.
Just like any other trader, I started of small with T1 ships, then on to selling bulk battleships, with running missions, after that I start buying T2 ships in bulk and then on to Faction Battleships.
When Navy Ravens (CNR) where selling for 1.1bil I finally bought my first CNR and resold it within 20mins of me buying it. Soon after that stopped selling everything else and just stayed with selling CNR's since there was always someone willing to sell where there was always enough to make a profit. To me it was a easy way to make isk I always liked the ship and at that time was training all the skills associated for flying the raven effectively.
Looking at other ways to buy more CNR's I started with making WTB orders in contracts @ Jita. Did not take long before the orders where filled and I'd resell rinse and repeat.
Not too long after there was one particular char ( 2man corp) filling nearly all my CNR Wtb contracts. Soon after he Eve-mailed me and asked If I was interested another 4-5 CNR's. I think at time we settled on a price I told him I could only afford 3 CNR's but if he wanted he could contract the rest and before the next day I would accept the rest of the contracts.
And that's how it all started. Was not long before I had enough isk to purchase 5 CNRs per contract and just took off from there. Same Char, same ship its been very stable and continue to sell CNRs as before.
In the 16 or so months especially in the Ship Channel this question has always been asked where do my CNRs come from, I have asked and all that was ever told to me was he have our contacts.
With buying these CNR's again I have always kept records/evemails and any convo's so I always had a history trail. Just in case CCP came knocking on my door.
Again when people ask I have always been honest and open about my CNR source I have nothing to hide and since day 1 I have never had Isk or assets taken away from me by CCP. Nor have any CNR I have sold been taken away from the char I have sold it to.
I spend alot of time on the test server where there are always GMs Dev's in local etc.. again regular people on there have asked, and again have always been honest about my CNR trading. I'm sure there well aware of what I do, its in my bio just as its in my bio on TQ.
I don't know why Roguehalo all of a sudden has a problem since he hangs out in the ship channel this story has been told to him time and time again along with the 200-400 people in the channel.
Since traders can get jealous of other peoples hard work and fortune I'm sure I have been petitioned  b/c of it.
Again since I have started trading CNR's I have not once had anyone from CCP contact me or any Isk taken away from me.
So roguehalo I await your proof, since IMO your assumptions are based on nothing. IF I was doing something like you suggested there is no way i'd be still trading bulk CNRs. Talking about it has open as I have always been about it Especially with the amount of isk that has been involved.
With epeen waving lol don't know what thats all about.
Sure I have nice assets etc.. But again as mentioned above I have always shared what I have earned with people who need a little help.
I have risked alot ( from a Trading point of view) I have worked hard to get where I am now. Not all my trading has been with CNRs. I have invested in MS and Titan manufacturing along with T2 BPO purchases.
Keep the questions coming and I will answer the rest later. Since looks like we have a hurricane coming in our direction
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Roguehalo
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.30 17:30:00 -
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you really must think people in here are stupid
you can't do BULK cnr trading EXCEPT with isk farmers(lp farmers)
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Ami Nia
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Posted - 2008.08.30 18:00:00 -
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I suspect that CCP is not acting because they do not consider against the EULA the in-game trading with isk farmers.
In fact isk-farming per se is probably not considered against the EULA.
Using macro programs and trading isks for RL money is surely considered a violation.
But maybe normal ingame trading with farmers is not, even if you strongly suspect they are farmers.
I cannot be sure, but I suspect the reason CCP is doing nothing against him is that the discount he's getting is not sufficiently high to make them suspect he gave them both isks and RL money for the CNRs.
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Idrift
Caldari
Meta Trading Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.31 03:34:00 -
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While I agree with Rogue and think there is a very good chance the source of the CNR's are isk farmers, I am going to side with F9 on this one. He is a trader who found his nitch and made out well doing it. He has covered his butt and as he says, if he was doing something wrong then CCP would have shut him down long time ago.
I do think he is lieing about selling every CNR for a 'nice profit' though.  I seem to remember a thread 6-8 months back where a guy got scammed buying a regular Raven on a 'CNR' contract. Amid the folks who called him a n00b for falling for that trick and told him too bad, F9 offered to sell him a CNR at a steep discount. Stuff like that earns points in my book.
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Roguehalo
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.31 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ami Nia
I suspect that CCP is not acting because they do not consider against the EULA the in-game trading with isk farmers.
In fact isk-farming per se is probably not considered against the EULA.
Using macro programs and trading isks for RL money is surely considered a violation.
But maybe normal ingame trading with farmers is not, even if you strongly suspect they are farmers.
I cannot be sure, but I suspect the reason CCP is doing nothing against him is that the discount he's getting is not sufficiently high to make them suspect he gave them both isks and RL money for the CNRs.
A player farms lps.........swaps them for a cnr.....sells it to F900.......so far no problem........whats happens to the isk F900 handed over? There's the problem.
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Sicil Fioet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.31 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo
]A player farms lps.........swaps them for a cnr.....sells it to F900.......so far no problem........whats happens to the isk F900 handed over? There's the problem.
Consider that hundreds of players buy stuff from ISK farmers every day in Jita and nothing ever happens to them. If you yourself ever bought some navy stuff off the contracts good chances are that as some of that stuff was farmed by ISK sellers.
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Antiquarian
Minmatar
Toxick Administration
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Posted - 2008.08.31 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo
Originally by: Ami Nia
I suspect that CCP is not acting because they do not consider against the EULA the in-game trading with isk farmers.
In fact isk-farming per se is probably not considered against the EULA.
Using macro programs and trading isks for RL money is surely considered a violation.
But maybe normal ingame trading with farmers is not, even if you strongly suspect they are farmers.
I cannot be sure, but I suspect the reason CCP is doing nothing against him is that the discount he's getting is not sufficiently high to make them suspect he gave them both isks and RL money for the CNRs.
A player farms lps.........swaps them for a cnr.....sells it to F900.......so far no problem........whats happens to the isk F900 handed over? There's the problem.
Double standards imo.. Nevertheless you are correct.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.08.31 08:36:00 -
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While I have no intrest in the OP's business plan, I find it very entertaining how hypocritical a lot of you are being. Concerning buying from farmers/macro's.
I bet every single one of you has bought minerals/ore/isotopes/cubes at a low price from a farmer/macro at some point. I'll even go so far as to say a fair few of you have placed buy orders in locations you deemed of high concentrate of miners, even if you suspected a fair few of them were macro/farmers.
Sadly we all buy from the farmers and macros, directly or indirectly ALL do this. The only thing we can really do about this, is not buy the isk back from them with RL currency. If no one bought isk via RMT, then the farmers and macro's would die off. Buying their ingame products; LP store goods, ore, ice procucts and minerals does them absolutely no good, if they didnt have a way to "sell off" their generated isk.
So all you all, should stop being the "People Who Live In Glass Houses Should Not Throw Stones" sort.
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KISOGOKU
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Posted - 2008.08.31 11:06:00 -
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LMAO i would not respond but you posted crap ,A player farms missions and loot.........sells mission loot to roguehalo.......so far no problem........whats happens to the isk roguehalo handed over? There's the problem.
Change mission loot with launchers
Originally by: Roguehalo
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A player farms lps.........swaps them for a cnr.....sells it to F900.......so far no problem........whats happens to the isk F900 handed over? There's the problem.
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Zeerover
Caldari
DeadSpace Exploration and Investigations
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Posted - 2008.08.31 15:53:00 -
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I'm still wondering why the OP needs any investment capital if he has already sold over 1000+ CNRs. Either he isn't making any money doing this, or something else is lurking under the surface.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.08.31 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Zeerover
I'm still wondering why the OP needs any investment capital if he has already sold over 1000+ CNRs. Either he isn't making any money doing this, or something else is lurking under the surface.
...or he has a really bad pvp/exotic dancer habit.
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F9OOEX
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Posted - 2008.08.31 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Zeerover
I'm still wondering why the OP needs any investment capital if he has already sold over 1000+ CNRs. Either he isn't making any money doing this, or something else is lurking under the surface.
As I have stated I will take the time to answer ALL questions, but this weekend looks like I'm tied up with dealing with a Hurricane here in the southern part of the US. So I don't have much time on the computer atm.
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Markus De'Helude
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Posted - 2008.08.31 17:39:00 -
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i'm sorry but thats the most absurd answer i have ever heard.
its like calling your friend to say "Sorry, but i don't have time to call you today"
Why are you online at all if you don't have the time to answer questions? and why would you bother to tell us you don't have the time if you really don't have the time...
I know theres a hurricane coming to the states right now, but its not supposed to hit until tommorow morning if i remember correctly, so if you really are worried, why did you come on at all???
your reasoning makes no sense at all to me.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.08.31 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Markus De'Helude
I know theres a hurricane coming to the states right now, but its not supposed to hit until tommorow morning if i remember correctly, so if you really are worried, why did you come on at all???
Well I know from my own personal experience it takes a day to secure the lawn furniture, grab extra ice, chill beer, cushion the bathtube to make your ad-hoc drunken storm couch, fill the gas tanks, make sure you have even more beer, call all your relatives who dont get it and keep seeing images of the Wizard of Oz while they think of you in a storm, make sure you have enough BBQ bricketts to BBQ all the food in your freezer if the power goes out, and maybe real quickly check in with your interwebz world while taking a quick break while trying to figure out where else you can stash some cold beer during the storm.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.08.31 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Markus De'Helude
your reasoning makes no sense at all to me.
Around here, unexplained absences makes for nervous investors. He took a moment out of his time (doing what Treelox describes) to let people know that he is monitoring this situation as actively as he can and specifically what the limits are on his time right now. Grown ups know it as "being responsible". Like calling your mom to tell her you are not at home though the fact that aren't home is obvious. Calling Mommy reassures here that her cute little boy is still around. (Try it, maybe she won't get so upset! Or perhaps moving out of her basement may help too.)
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
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Inoshuu
Caldari
Lance Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.31 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Markus De'Helude
i'm sorry but thats the most absurd answer i have ever heard.
its like calling your friend to say "Sorry, but i don't have time to call you today"
Why are you online at all if you don't have the time to answer questions? and why would you bother to tell us you don't have the time if you really don't have the time...
I know theres a hurricane coming to the states right now, but its not supposed to hit until tommorow morning if i remember correctly, so if you really are worried, why did you come on at all???
your reasoning makes no sense at all to me.
I'm sorry, that's the most absurd reply I've ever read.
Seriously, get a grip. I don't know about you but most players here have a real life and if you have a life where a disaster is about to hit, I wouldn't ****ing bother coming online and post to reassure *******s like you that your money will be protected.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Department of Defence
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Posted - 2008.09.01 06:58:00 -
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I would like to invest 500.000.000,00 ISK (five-hundred-millions)
No restrictions nor reservations on this investment. |
Ishanty
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Posted - 2008.09.01 09:30:00 -
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first of all, i noticed, thatt alot of people here can only reply on a childish way to things, they keep complaining about the low rate of ipo's arround, but on the other hand, if one try's to get one started they are crushed to the ground with the most silly arguments.
Second to that, if you want to complain about buying from iskfarmers macrominers or any other type of (cheating) stop playing, cause a large part of the market is from them either minerals or stuff created from the minerals or the iskfarmers that go in to trade.
Degrading reply's does not help getting more ipo's arround, i for one decided to retract my whole ipo, cause of peoples reactions. Sure i it very easy on my ipo, i was working on a second and better one, but why the hell would i make millions for people that think they own the world? So i started up myself without the help of investers, took me a bit longer then i would otherwise, but atleast i don't have any lame posts at me again.
(english isn't my main language, so sorry for any gramatical errors) |
Confuzer
Polaris Project
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.01 11:13:00 -
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Doublepost!
Wasn't it last time you said you earned 90 bil in one summer trading CNR's with exact the same post?
So why do you need investment. Sorry but my SCAM hairs just went straight up. |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.09.01 19:42:00 -
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If you truly trade this many CNR's you have more cash than you need to run this business.
So why do you need investors who you would have to share the profits with? |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.09.01 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ishanty
why the hell would i make millions for people that think they own the world?
Well, when you go hat in hand to others it is often best to do it with respect, humility, and with the intent of sharing the positive outcome. Originally by: Ishanty
So i started up myself without the help of investers, took me a bit longer then i would otherwise, but atleast i don't have any lame posts at me again.
This is, of all things, the best way to be. IPO's are shortcuts around this, yes, but it doesn't mean you bypass effort. You are just using an IPO to replace time and struggle with *****ing and investor moaning. Either way you still have to do some work. |
Amrumm
Rhetorical Devices
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Posted - 2008.09.01 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ishanty
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Degrading reply's does not help getting more ipo's arround, i for one decided to retract my whole ipo, cause of peoples reactions. Sure i it very easy on my ipo, i was working on a second and better one, but why the hell would i make millions for people that think they own the world? So i started up myself without the help of investers, took me a bit longer then i would otherwise, but atleast i don't have any lame posts at me again.
(english isn't my main language, so sorry for any gramatical errors)
But you still have to deal with my occasional *****ing and harassment |
Asantte
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Posted - 2008.09.02 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Markus De'Helude
i'm sorry but thats the most absurd answer i have ever heard.
its like calling your friend to say "Sorry, but i don't have time to call you today"
Why are you online at all if you don't have the time to answer questions? and why would you bother to tell us you don't have the time if you really don't have the time...
I know theres a hurricane coming to the states right now, but its not supposed to hit until tommorow morning if i remember correctly, so if you really are worried, why did you come on at all???
your reasoning makes no sense at all to me.
yeah man, drop the hurricane preparations, who cares if your house gets flooded and you drown, we want answers! so get on your behind and spend that half an hour drafting well thought out replies instead of posting those three sentences ones
i believe i have overheard him on ship trade channel saying that he wants to monopolize that CNR market which i presume means he will get in contact with all those ****k farming conglomerates and buy out all of their CNRs to resell at a stable price on the market, for which obviously he would not have enough money to do it alone even if he traded 1000 units in past because the CNR market is much more massive
i'd invest in this seeing how F9OOEX has been going steady with this business in past
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