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Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2008.09.01 00:02:00 - [1] Edited by: Lindsay Logan on 01/09/2008 00:03:44 Yeah, I got a hulk, and I am wondering how to fit it. It will be used in high sec to begin with, maby low sec or 0.0 later. I know of the shield tank fit, but how does this sound for mining gangs: 3 x Strip Miner II 1 x roid scanner II 3 x ? 2 x mining upgrades, and cargo extenders when solo Drones: 5 x Hob II and 5 x Mining drone Rigs: not sure yet. hardeners or drone yield ones? I nned some advice about the mid slots and the rigs, anyone care to shead some light on it?
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2008.09.01 00:02:00 - [2] Edited by: Lindsay Logan on 01/09/2008 00:03:44 Yeah, I got a hulk, and I am wondering how to fit it. It will be used in high sec to begin with, maby low sec or 0.0 later. I know of the shield tank fit, but how does this sound for mining gangs: 3 x Strip Miner II 1 x roid scanner II 3 x ? 2 x mining upgrades, and cargo extenders when solo Drones: 5 x Hob II and 5 x Mining drone Rigs: not sure yet. hardeners or drone yield ones? I nned some advice about the mid slots and the rigs, anyone care to shead some light on it?
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.01 02:33:00 - [3] Edited by: Soporo on 01/09/2008 02:35:14 Personally I would ignore the drones as they get killed easily by rats, are really slow, and they dont mine much. Bring an emergency set of Light ECM drones instead if you can field em. Ignore the scanner and just fit the best tank you can using all (lol 4) your midslots. Btw, the tank won't be for npc rats in HighSec...
Rafilialindal Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.09.01 03:12:00 - [4] Originally by: Soporo Edited by: Soporo on 01/09/2008 02:35:14 Personally I would ignore the drones as they get killed easily by rats, are really slow, and they dont mine much. Bring an emergency set of Light ECM drones instead if you can field em. Ignore the scanner and just fit the best tank you can using all (lol 4) your midslots. Btw, the tank won't be for npc rats in HighSec... Huh? I've never lost any mining drones in high sec to rats. Also, if your in high sec, and you've got somebody hauling, your going to want maximum yield. Which means a roid scanner, otherwise your going to get roids popping without getting the maximum amount of minerals from the cycle. This also means mining drones, which with the proper skills add a significant amount to the yield, mining laser upgrades in the lows. For the tank, you can usually get away with a shield booster, cap booster, and some sort of hardener. Low sec and 0.0 mining is a different matter, which I wouldn't worry about for now till you've mastered high sec.
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments EVESpace	Posted - 2008.09.01 03:15:00 - [5] This is the first I've heard of scanners being useful. Do they add yield when you scan them?
Annowyn Domini Umbrus Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.09.01 03:30:00 - [6] They do not add yield. They just let you know how much is left inside an asteroid. Helps you to avoid wasting time.
Joss Sparq Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.01 03:35:00 - [7] Gisti/Pithi B/C-Type small shield boosters are dirt cheap these days, they tend to retail on contracts for a couple of million. My Alt has one of those, plus two Tech II resistance amplifiers for the local rat damage and a spare middle slot which I currently fit a Tech II Cap Recharger in as his capacitor skills are still a little low. At the moment he can permanently run the shield booster while mining - not really necessary as I doubt the rats in 0.5 space could even break the passive regeneration but it gives me peace of mind when I find I've been alt-tabbed into my work for longer than I planned/otherwise distracted. Gang or solo, I'd consider a pair of Tech I cargo expansion rigs.
StinkFinger Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.09.01 04:11:00 - [8] just wait until after the concord/security buff comin up and u can go with an all out mining setup for high sec.
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2008.09.01 11:17:00 - [9] Edited by: Lindsay Logan on 01/09/2008 11:18:11 Good tips here! :) I appreciate it. Yeah, the scanner is very nifty, and since I often times mine in gangs with mining foreman and haulers and such, optimal yield is a great plus (here the mining drones come in handy(I got a good deal of drone skills, including ecm drones)). I can of course change the rigs later, tho its a tad expencive :P. I will however not be using harvester drones, they are expencive and slow. The small shiled booster in med and hardeners seems like a good idea, I do not require it to be a perma setup in high sec, so I can fit a scanne rin place of the cap recharger, but later in low sec (once I get a hang of the ship and my gang gets it stuff together) we will be moving down to low sec, and to our alliance 0.0 space. Current setup seems to be: Lindsay Logan Posted - 01/09/2008 00:02:00 - Edit - QuoteEdited by: Lindsay Logan on 01/09/2008 00:03:44 Yeah, I got a hulk, and I am wondering how to fit it. It will be used in high sec to begin with, maby low sec or 0.0 later. I know of the shield tank fit, but how does this sound for mining gangs: 3 x Strip Miner II 1 x roid scanner II 1 x Shield booster (officer one) 2 x Good hardeners. 2 x mining upgrades, and cargo extenders when solo Drones: 5 x Hob II and 5 x Mining drone Rigs: Either cargo extenders (good for solo) or mining drone bonus for otimal yield. (good for gangs, and later in low sec when I want max yield as fast as I can get it :P) I am still not 100% sure on the drone section. I could field some Hammerhead T2's, but thats overkill for high sec rats :P
Wil Smithx Minmatar Suns Of Korhal	Posted - 2008.09.01 11:51:00 - [10] Originally by: Soporo Edited by: Soporo on 01/09/2008 02:35:14 Personally I would ignore the drones as they get killed easily by rats, are really slow, and they dont mine much. Bring an emergency set of Light ECM drones instead if you can field em. Ignore the scanner and just fit the best tank you can using all (lol 4) your midslots. Btw, the tank won't be for npc rats in HighSec... Ok few things about your fail post... Mining drones can increase the productivity on a hulk a fair bit (would imagine over 10%). Why the hell would you use ecm drones?! To try to save yourself from gank?! LOL There are several things with ecm drones in fact... if the gankers come to kill you and you have them out, the gankers spend an extra 10k on their fittings and fit some eccm. The gankers may also just smartbomb the hell out of you in which case it doesn't matter anyway. The other option is you launch your drones and send them after the person attacking you... Well good luck... Also, your tank will not save you from gank, not my kinda gank anyways. Last barge I attack I alpha'd into hull, though after patch there will be no more fun in belts. - Sigh, getting in the kills while I still can :D To the OP... highsec - expander rigs, dual cap recharge an invul field and a small shield booster 2... You barely need to tank anything at all so don't bother killing rats, thus, use T2 mining drones, you'll get ganked for harvestors >:D

Wil Smithx Minmatar Suns Of Korhal	Posted - 2008.09.01 11:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Lindsay Logan Edited by: Lindsay Logan on 01/09/2008 11:18:11 Good tips here! :) I appreciate it. Yeah, the scanner is very nifty, and since I often times mine in gangs with mining foreman and haulers and such, optimal yield is a great plus (here the mining drones come in handy(I got a good deal of drone skills, including ecm drones)). I can of course change the rigs later, tho its a tad expencive :P. I will however not be using harvester drones, they are expencive and slow. The small shiled booster in med and hardeners seems like a good idea, I do not require it to be a perma setup in high sec, so I can fit a scanne rin place of the cap recharger, but later in low sec (once I get a hang of the ship and my gang gets it stuff together) we will be moving down to low sec, and to our alliance 0.0 space. Current setup seems to be: Lindsay Logan Posted - 01/09/2008 00:02:00 - Edit - QuoteEdited by: Lindsay Logan on 01/09/2008 00:03:44 Yeah, I got a hulk, and I am wondering how to fit it. It will be used in high sec to begin with, maby low sec or 0.0 later. I know of the shield tank fit, but how does this sound for mining gangs: 3 x Strip Miner II 1 x roid scanner II 1 x Shield booster (officer one) 2 x Good hardeners. 2 x mining upgrades, and cargo extenders when solo Drones: 5 x Hob II and 5 x Mining drone Rigs: Either cargo extenders (good for solo) or mining drone bonus for otimal yield. (good for gangs, and later in low sec when I want max yield as fast as I can get it :P) I am still not 100% sure on the drone section. I could field some Hammerhead T2's, but thats overkill for high sec rats :P Good luck fitting an officer shield booster on a mining barge. Did you mean deadspace?
Darth Vaders Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.01 12:11:00 - [12] I ll tell you a little secret. Hulk is not so great mining ship for high sec. Of course not having to do the open can method helps But the probel is no matter how well you plan it you will be losing cycles because the asteroids have very little ore inside them. So you will get lots of breaking sycles. That mean that the modulated strip miners and the tech 2 mining crystals are completely useless. If there was plently of ore in the asteroids the tech 2 strips with tech 2 crystals would be useful but as it is you will be losing most of the time traveling in hyperspeed of 88km cause you current asteroid will be near to deplete and you will hate to waste the cycles. I hope CCP fixes this thing with the ore amount in asteroids some day. It was big disapointment for me to train for exumers for nothing. I make much more from missions and the only way the hulk may worth it is when mining from certain missions that happen to have asteroids with high ore amount each (Of course Exhumers also worth it for high end ores especially mercoxite-but i am not in 00 now)
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2008.09.01 12:45:00 - [13] Originally by: Wil Smithx Originally by: Lindsay Logan Edited by: Lindsay Logan on 01/09/2008 11:18:11 Good tips here! :) I appreciate it. Yeah, the scanner is very nifty, and since I often times mine in gangs with mining foreman and haulers and such, optimal yield is a great plus (here the mining drones come in handy(I got a good deal of drone skills, including ecm drones)). I can of course change the rigs later, tho its a tad expencive :P. I will however not be using harvester drones, they are expencive and slow. The small shiled booster in med and hardeners seems like a good idea, I do not require it to be a perma setup in high sec, so I can fit a scanne rin place of the cap recharger, but later in low sec (once I get a hang of the ship and my gang gets it stuff together) we will be moving down to low sec, and to our alliance 0.0 space. Current setup seems to be: Lindsay Logan Posted - 01/09/2008 00:02:00 - Edit - QuoteEdited by: Lindsay Logan on 01/09/2008 00:03:44 Yeah, I got a hulk, and I am wondering how to fit it. It will be used in high sec to begin with, maby low sec or 0.0 later. I know of the shield tank fit, but how does this sound for mining gangs: 3 x Strip Miner II 1 x roid scanner II 1 x Shield booster (officer one) 2 x Good hardeners. 2 x mining upgrades, and cargo extenders when solo Drones: 5 x Hob II and 5 x Mining drone Rigs: Either cargo extenders (good for solo) or mining drone bonus for otimal yield. (good for gangs, and later in low sec when I want max yield as fast as I can get it :P) I am still not 100% sure on the drone section. I could field some Hammerhead T2's, but thats overkill for high sec rats :P Good luck fitting an officer shield booster on a mining barge. Did you mean deadspace? Yea, probartly, the gisti thing mention earlier :P.
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2008.09.01 12:52:00 - [14] Originally by: Darth Vaders I ll tell you a little secret. Hulk is not so great mining ship for high sec. Of course not having to do the open can method helps But the probel is no matter how well you plan it you will be losing cycles because the asteroids have very little ore inside them. So you will get lots of breaking sycles. That mean that the modulated strip miners and the tech 2 mining crystals are completely useless. If there was plently of ore in the asteroids the tech 2 strips with tech 2 crystals would be useful but as it is you will be losing most of the time traveling in hyperspeed of 88km cause you current asteroid will be near to deplete and you will hate to waste the cycles. I hope CCP fixes this thing with the ore amount in asteroids some day. It was big disapointment for me to train for exumers for nothing. I make much more from missions and the only way the hulk may worth it is when mining from certain missions that happen to have asteroids with high ore amount each (Of course Exhumers also worth it for high end ores especially mercoxite-but i am not in 00 now) I do lv 4 missions as well, but above all else I enjoy doing different things, and my corp has a few miners and haulers so I can be an asset there. And I will move it into low/0.0 sec after a while ;). Besides the Exhumr skill and Hulk os not the big difference isk wise from a Covetor, about 100 Mill or so. And I get a better ship out of it, with a bit more higher yield. :) The small roids are a pain tho, but I circumvent it by setting up several different locations in the system I am in, then I warp between the positions and mine them empty, so not much slow boating :)
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2008.09.01 16:15:00 - [15] I have arrived at this then: [Hulk, Hulk] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Survey Scanner II Invulnerability Field II Eutectic I Capacitor Charge Array Gistii Type-B Small Shield Booster I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II RIG RIG 5 x Hobgoblin II 5 x Mining Drone Rigs are still to be decided :P. And acording to my calculations this wil perma run :)
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.09.01 17:23:00 - [16] Putting a shield booster on a hulk to tank ganks until Concord arrives is just wrong. All a ganker has to do is nuet you and poof no moar reps not that active repping would save you anyways. What you need to fit is a plain ole t2 shield buffer tank using the hulks excellent base resists. This should easily last long enough in a .5 vs a single brutix or other bc class ship. [max yield buffer hulk] Highs: 3x strip II Meds: 1x invul field II 1x roid scanner 2x small shield extender II Lows: 2x mlu II Rigs: 1x anti-kinetic 1x anti-thermal Drones: 5x Warrior II 5x Mining drone II And if you think you will definitely be targeted by multiple gankers or just want a cheap as chips setup to tank 0.0 bs spawns (provided you kill off the support) then try this. [max buffer hulk] Highs: 3x strip I Meds: 2x invul II 1x photon scattering field II 1x med shield extender II Lows: 1x pds II 1x mapc I Rigs: 2x core defense field extender I Drones: 5x warrior II 5x mining drone II 72% thermal resist with the others well over 80% means that you can sit and lulz as that guy(s) in the gank brutix blows up in your face. The cheap arse fittings also mean that unless they just want to kill you for the fun of it they will lose isk on bringing enough ships to pop you before Concord arrives.
Rafilialindal Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.09.01 19:25:00 - [17] Originally by: Darth Vaders I ll tell you a little secret. Hulk is not so great mining ship for high sec. Of course not having to do the open can method helps But the probel is no matter how well you plan it you will be losing cycles because the asteroids have very little ore inside them. So you will get lots of breaking sycles. That mean that the modulated strip miners and the tech 2 mining crystals are completely useless. If there was plently of ore in the asteroids the tech 2 strips with tech 2 crystals would be useful but as it is you will be losing most of the time traveling in hyperspeed of 88km cause you current asteroid will be near to deplete and you will hate to waste the cycles. I hope CCP fixes this thing with the ore amount in asteroids some day. It was big disapointment for me to train for exumers for nothing. I make much more from missions and the only way the hulk may worth it is when mining from certain missions that happen to have asteroids with high ore amount each (Of course Exhumers also worth it for high end ores especially mercoxite-but i am not in 00 now) Alright, I just want to clear this misinformation up right away. First of all, if your asteroids are that small, your probably mining in a belt thats near a trade hub, or one with too many people in it. Try to find one as close to a hub as possible, while still having very little traffic. Granted these systems aren't common, but a little exploration can go a long way towards improving your profit margin. Another thing, the whole purpose of the roid scanner is to know what the mineral content of the asteroids are. After some time spent mining, its possible to gauge how many minerals are left, when you feel the asteroid is near depletion, turn off your mining laser, target a new one, and start over. Now, I am sure this situation could be represented mathmatically, but frankly I don't feel like working out the formula : P. And darth vader, I am not sure what you ment by "hyperspeed of 88km", but if your talking about slowly flying to the other side of the belt, I have a tip: Bookmarks. Lets say the belt is in a direct line to the station exit. Warp from the station to the far end of the belt, bookmark it, mine a full load. Now warp back to the station, depending on if there are any more minerals left where you bookmarked, you can either warp to the book mark, or warp 50 km from your bookmark, which puts you on the other end of the belt, and enables you get pretty much strip the whole belt down without ever having to slowly inch your way around the belt. Just so we're clear, the hulk is the best darn ship availible for roid mining. mmmk?
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2008.09.01 20:46:00 - [18] Originally by: Zeba Putting a shield booster on a hulk to tank ganks until Concord arrives is just wrong. All a ganker has to do is nuet you and poof no moar reps not that active repping would save you anyways. What you need to fit is a plain ole t2 shield buffer tank using the hulks excellent base resists. This should easily last long enough in a .5 vs a single brutix or other bc class ship. [max yield buffer hulk] Highs: 3x strip II Meds: 1x invul field II 1x roid scanner 2x small shield extender II Lows: 2x mlu II Rigs: 1x anti-kinetic 1x anti-thermal Drones: 5x Warrior II 5x Mining drone II And if you think you will definitely be targeted by multiple gankers or just want a cheap as chips setup to tank 0.0 bs spawns (provided you kill off the support) then try this. [max buffer hulk] Highs: 3x strip I Meds: 2x invul II 1x photon scattering field II 1x med shield extender II Lows: 1x pds II 1x mapc I Rigs: 2x core defense field extender I Drones: 5x warrior II 5x mining drone II 72% thermal resist with the others well over 80% means that you can sit and lulz as that guy(s) in the gank brutix blows up in your face. The cheap arse fittings also mean that unless they just want to kill you for the fun of it they will lose isk on bringing enough ships to pop you before Concord arrives. Thanks for the tip, a bit tgiht on the power grid and cpu grid for me tho :P
Darkeen Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.02 00:14:00 - [19] Originally by: Zeba 72% thermal resist with the others well over 80% means that you can sit and lulz as that guy(s) in the gank brutix blows up in your face. The cheap arse fittings also mean that unless they just want to kill you for the fun of it they will lose isk on bringing enough ships to pop you before Concord arrives. I never could figure this out. Yes I must be a Noob to not understand it (having never tried or looked at it ingame before (dont have the isk or skills yet...) How does the brutix blowup if your tanking the damage? I could understand some issues if your neut'ing him or some such. Am I missing something with all the modules? Thanks in advance (from a pvp newbie - really only done basic L1 missions and mining! LOL!)
Lyvanna Kitaen Minmatar Noonday Sun Corp	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:04:00 - [20] Originally by: Darkeen Originally by: Zeba 72% thermal resist with the others well over 80% means that you can sit and lulz as that guy(s) in the gank brutix blows up in your face. The cheap arse fittings also mean that unless they just want to kill you for the fun of it they will lose isk on bringing enough ships to pop you before Concord arrives. I never could figure this out. Yes I must be a Noob to not understand it (having never tried or looked at it ingame before (dont have the isk or skills yet...) How does the brutix blowup if your tanking the damage? I could understand some issues if your neut'ing him or some such. Am I missing something with all the modules? Thanks in advance (from a pvp newbie - really only done basic L1 missions and mining! LOL!) If you can tank his damage long enough, Concord will show up and blow him up assuming he doesn't have kill rights on you.

Mankirks Wife	Posted - 2008.09.02 03:14:00 - [21] Edited by: Mankirks Wife on 02/09/2008 03:18:04 Here's my highsec hulk setup: 3x T2 Strip Survey Scanner II V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix (named T1 invuln field) T2 small extender 2x MLU II EM shield rig Thermal shield rig 5x Hobbie II 5x Mining Drone II Mines like a champ and it's reasonably (cheaply) suicide resistant (I've had it happen more than once that someone warped to my belt, saw the flashy invuln field, then went and suicided some other hulk in the same system). If you're loosing ore to strips finishing and only mining 5m3 of ore you're either lazy and not using your roid scanner, or you're not using it properly. Put the drones on a rock that's close and not of the same type as the crystals loaded in your strips, don't afk, and they won't go pop to rats. EDIT: Also I'm interested in what skills the person who posted the setup above has, since I can't fit anymore than the single extender and named (not T2) invlun field even with Engineering V and Electronics V (don't have mining upgrades trained to V - might let me squeeze in a T2 invuln field but I can't see how to get another extender on there)
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.09.02 05:12:00 - [22] Originally by: Mankirks Wife EDIT: Also I'm interested in what skills the person who posted the setup above has, since I can't fit anymore than the single extender and named (not T2) invlun field even with Engineering V and Electronics V (don't have mining upgrades trained to V - might let me squeeze in a T2 invuln field but I can't see how to get another extender on there) Srry. I keep forgetting I have all level 5 fitting and support skills. Reducing the extenders down to best named should let you fit it all with level 4 skills and have little impact on the overall tank.
Dennmoth Ferdier	Posted - 2008.09.02 07:36:00 - [23] Highs: 3x Modulated Strip IIs with Veldspar Crystals IIs (win) Meds: Survey Scanner I, Patterned Webifier, Warp Scrambler Lows: 2x Mining L. Upgrade IIs completed with 5x hobgoblins and 5x Mining Drone IIs Get a huge ass yield, and pop ore thieves for the fun of it. Btw, this is my exact setup.
Carniflex Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.09.02 08:31:00 - [24] AFK Hulk Hi: 3x Strip I (or 3x Ice miner II) Med: 3x Invul II 1x Small Shield Extender II Low: 2x Expanded Cargohold II Rigs: 2x Cargohold Optimization I Drones: 5x Medium combat ones Attention span is 30 minutes on ice or 15 minutes on ore. Has no deadspace modules so not very attractive to suicide.
xerses0	Posted - 2008.10.04 10:11:00 - [25] not sure if this is a necro or not firstly, @ carniflex: an afk hulk isnt a great idea, although you could last 15 mins, i doubt the roids would afaik, the perfect highsec loadout would be: low: 2x mining laser upgrade II medium: 2x naiyon's modified invunerability field (get rid of one if you want to fit a survey scanner, bit overkill in high sec belts) high: 3x modulated strip miners (with T2 crytals) drones: 5x mining drone II (as said, harvesters are too slow) 2x hammerhead II (to swap out to deal with any rats) 1x hobgoblin II rigs: 2x drone mining augmentor implants: slot 6: zainou 'gypsy' KMB-75 slot 7: michi's excavation augmentor slot 10: hardwiring - inherent inplants 'highwall' HX-2 with all skills at level 5 this fits in with 0.03 CPU and has a total mining yield of... 2282m3 per min or 6846m3 per cycle (3 min) This means theoretically it takes 3mins 30 seconds to fill cargo (obviously more, cause roids would pop pretty fast) you can also get 83dps with your combat drones, although having them out drops your yeild to 2120m3 per min (6360 per cycle) ofc someone in a suitable ship using mining foreman links would boost this even further
Kurull Skullsplitter Minmatar Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2008.10.04 15:23:00 - [26] I have an alt in a Hulk. I played with fittings and finally settled on a simple passive setup that did not require any extra effort for different rat types. I'm sure a better passive setup can be achieved by playing around with passive hardners but I prefer not to have to mess around with changing them for different locations. If mining in a gang greater than two I use mining drones for a maximum effort. Mining "alone" (with a hauler in a gang of two) for me is typically far more relaxed situation that in a large gang so instead of messing with mining drones for yield I instead make use of Medium combat drones to deal with the belt rats. Doesn't bother me at all not to have the yield from mining drones. The cargo capacity is a bit awkward when they are in use anyway. I prefer to keep it as simple as possible. I like the survey scanner and being able to see when a roid is low and can turn off a Strip Miner before it cycle off. I use a simple T1 scanner that only scans as far as I can reach out to mine that way I don't see rocks with it that I can't reach to mine unless I move closer to them. [Hulk] [Low] 2X Mining Laser Upgrade I [Mid] 2X Small Shield Extender I 1X Survey Scanner I [empty med slot] [High] 3X Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I [Rigs] 2X Cargohold Optimization I [Drones] Hammerhead I x5


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