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Heritor
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:25:00 -
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Eve for me is really slow I keep getting roids and all sorts of things stuck to my ship.
The forum is also very slow 
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:25:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 23:09:07
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FileCop AI
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: FileCop AI on 10/06/2004 19:29:47
 Originally by: Aneu Angellus
I think the whole southern node tree has died...
Might be true. Seems better now. Logged in but experiencing lag.
Just got a notice about server reboot, so it's not just for me ;)
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Origim
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:28:00 -
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"A server node you were using has gone offline., "
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 23:10:09
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Origim
"A server node you were using has gone offline., "
When will CCP learn that they need to have more plug-sockets... i mean sheesh, nodes going down every time they need a cup of coffee isnt a good thing...
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Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
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EagleFour
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:32:00 -
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Thank god im at work now, but i must say. Eve is a whole new game to me. I used to complain a lot about everything. But when i came back after ENB bought the farm, i was taken back by the changes for the good and the stability with which it runs now. Very nice, and it is kind of cool because it feels like a whole new game with me.
Since the upgrade it really seems to me that im gating faster and transitioning. I didnt see any lag probs and my prim machine is a phat handbuilt but my hauler uses a 400mhz P3 with a 32 mb geforce 2 video card. it impresses me everyday because i can actually fight rats on it if the need arises. This you could not do at ENB
CCP definetly deserves the award for graphics, hats off to those.
From a player standpoint it seems like the community has matured a great deal since i left and are treating it more like a game than a real life event. The changes have probably fostered this.
JOBS - Got Moin?
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Warsawa
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: Warsawa on 10/06/2004 19:42:06
Originally by: Oveur
I am eager to hear the exact specifications on the new upgrades so I can further critique it with mathematical facts and just general computer knowledges. Any chance on answering the questions?
LMAO....
Fibre Channel hooked via PCI to a Tyan mother board....
Oh god stop it hurts.... your killing me...
Your either one of the best comedians I've ever met, or a complete idiot.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 23:11:21
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 20:29:52
Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 20:27:47
Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 20:03:13
double post.
Just to give you some ideas.
Asus dual xeon motherboard(superior)
Tyans are for quadruple processor motherboards and in my opinion are the best ive found.
Tyans four processor motherboards
Now what CCP are currently using in their respected order from two processor servers to the 4 processor one.
IBMS dual processor server setup(What CCP uses right now)
IBMS 4 processor server setup(What CCP is using right now also)
Please enlighten me to how IBMS are better? And what doesnt the others offer that are better?
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Torlek
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Posted - 2004.06.10 19:49:00 -
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Indeed...
Eve insider, Eve forums, are making like I'm on a 14.4k modem instread of a 2mb broadband connection. I waited well over 2min for a thread to load :( Eve itself, not that bad, noticed a fair bit of lag and long login times but not been knocked offline yet.
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Daald
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Posted - 2004.06.10 20:37:00 -
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To Sinist:
I am going to try to answer your questions. First of all I would like to say that I used to think like you and I would not believe what anyone would tell me to the contrary. I mean, crap, I have a computer science degree...give me the tools and I can build the freaking computer up from the transistor level. (I am not trying to imply anything about you here...just my noobish attitude when I entered the industry)
There are several rules in business. I think that the two most important ones that apply here are:
1- Stick to your core business.
2- Reduce your risks by passing them on others (insurance, warranty, collateral etc)
If you are a development house/investment bank/car manufacturer , you don't want or care what the underlying infrastructure is like. You want to give specs as to how it should perform and someone just runs to do it. You don't want to hear any crap that arises from it. You basically say, I want a product that does this and it is given to you. Do you want to be a law firm, (insert core business here) and a computer manufacturing firm just because you use computers?
If something breaks down, you don't want to hire engineers to fix. You might have the skill set inhouse but you don't want them to waste time on something that you don't really care about. You want to produce your product. Why should you have to worry about it? So you pay someone some money and they will take care of it for you.
Now, do you want to pay 3 people from down the street with possibly 60 years of IT experience total or a global firm with thousands of years of total IT experience? Which is less risky? Which one will give you the better deal (Remember..don't just look at upfront cost...you need to figure out lifetime cost)?
Now, as to why they chose IBM:
1- Someone at CCP has a fetish for IBM equipment, sleeps with someone at IBM sales dept, wants to create HAL...who knows.
2- Most likely that they shopped, and IBM gave them the best deal for TCO and future expandability if their business grows(adaptive pricing model).
Ok...I babbled long enough. Hope I at least shed some light into the thought process.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 20:53:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 23:08:00
Edited bc this post is mute.
IBM rocks. Eve Rocks. Hardware upgrades make Eve alot better.
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Daald
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Posted - 2004.06.10 20:58:00 -
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Sinister,
I'm sorry you misunderstood my words and for sounding preachy.
Please disregard them.
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Reptar
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Posted - 2004.06.10 21:04:00 -
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much better ingame performance here, but the EO site seems to be much worse.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Daald
To Sinist:
I am going to try to answer your questions. First of all I would like to say that I used to think like you and I would not believe what anyone would tell me to the contrary. I mean, crap, I have a computer science degree...give me the tools and I can build the freaking computer up from the transistor level. (I am not trying to imply anything about you here...just my noobish attitude when I entered the industry)
There are several rules in business. I think that the two most important ones that apply here are:
1- Stick to your core business.
2- Reduce your risks by passing them on others (insurance, warranty, collateral etc)
If you are a development house/investment bank/car manufacturer , you don't want or care what the underlying infrastructure is like. You want to give specs as to how it should perform and someone just runs to do it. You don't want to hear any crap that arises from it. You basically say, I want a product that does this and it is given to you. Do you want to be a law firm, (insert core business here) and a computer manufacturing firm just because you use computers?
If something breaks down, you don't want to hire engineers to fix. You might have the skill set inhouse but you don't want them to waste time on something that you don't really care about. You want to produce your product. Why should you have to worry about it? So you pay someone some money and they will take care of it for you.
Now, do you want to pay 3 people from down the street with possibly 60 years of IT experience total or a global firm with thousands of years of total IT experience? Which is less risky? Which one will give you the better deal (Remember..don't just look at upfront cost...you need to figure out lifetime cost)?
Now, as to why they chose IBM:
1- Someone at CCP has a fetish for IBM equipment, sleeps with someone at IBM sales dept, wants to create HAL...who knows.
2- Most likely that they shopped, and IBM gave them the best deal for TCO and future expandability if their business grows(adaptive pricing model).
Ok...I babbled long enough. Hope I at least shed some light into the thought process.
Ok I felt I needed to go into a little more depth here for you.
"1- Stick to your core business."
CCP are computer software game developers. Running and maintenaning a game server is part of their life. Ill touch on this a little more later in this post.
"2- Reduce your risks by passing them on others (insurance, warranty, collateral etc)"
What insurance is involved? Warranties are guaranteed with computer hardware companies. And collateral well im not sure how this would apply to CCP and them buying Servers.
"If you are a development house/investment bank/car manufacturer , you don't want or care what the underlying infrastructure is like. You want to give specs as to how it should perform and someone just runs to do it. You don't want to hear any crap that arises from it. You basically say, I want a product that does this and it is given to you. Do you want to be a law firm, (insert core business here) and a computer manufacturing firm just because you use computers?"
First picking out server hardware and setting it up is something easy. It does not involve extra knowledges apart from your own computer you are using right now. Maybe an extra cable or a few configurations, but this is what manufacturer manuals are for. CCP are software programmers. Im 99% sure they are capable of putting together a computer. And well there is no reason why the people they hired couldnt do it by themselves. If the hardware fails then you send it back, if your smart you have redundancy. There is nothing hard about this and if you can program a computer this knowledge is almost guaranteed to you already I would hope.
"If something breaks down, you don't want to hire engineers to fix. You might have the skill set inhouse but you don't want them to waste time on something that you don't really care about. You want to produce your product. Why should you have to worry about it? So you pay someone some money and they will take care of it for you."
Waste time on something? They have their CCP server engies. If something breaks its broken. You cant reverse engineer hardware. There is no taking it apart and putting it together. IF a motherboard is fried you need a new one. If a harddrive is dead you need a new one. If a fan is broke you need a new one. If the RAM burnt out you need new RAM. IF a cable is loose or the connecters are screwed you need new cable or you splice it again. This is elementary level stuff and is something I actually learned in high school at computer science class which I was fortunate enough to have built my entire network for my school. For every piece of hardware you have a test you can run on that hardware to affectively and deductively figure out what is broke.
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Reptar
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Posted - 2004.06.10 21:14:00 -
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Or alternatavly they are just outsourced completely to IBM, due to their cutting edge requirments...
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Daald
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Posted - 2004.06.10 21:21:00 -
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Sinist,
One last thing and lets just let it go.
I'm not trying to say which way is right. I am just trying to show you the mindset and point of view of the person that made the decision.
Do you disagree with it? You should, after all we are not copies of each other, so why should we think the same.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 21:21:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 23:04:08
edited bc people think im arrogant.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 23:09:26
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Sonjeir
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Posted - 2004.06.10 21:40:00 -
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My performance ingame and the boards are MUCH better after the upgrade no crashes, much less lag, etc.
Sorry you others are experiencing trouble.
My only question is why do all the "experts" come out and think they have all the answers to CCPs problems. Where are the games these people made, where are their companies compared with IBM, and if they know so freaking much about this stuff why aren't they world famous as being the server design guru of all time.
Fact is we do not know and likely will not know why they chose the servers they did, and no matter how awesome any of us think our PC skills or knowledge is, it is not going to change CCPs decsion to use IBM.
My suggestion to each of you that think you know so much better than CCP and IBM combined, is that you start a company and put IBM out of business then you design a game and put CCP out of business. If you can't do that for any reason what-so-ever then you should keep your biased opinions about the equipment they use to yourself.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 21:52:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 23:10:29
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Daald
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Posted - 2004.06.10 22:36:00 -
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LOL, I'm not an IBM Engineer, although looking back at my posts I can kinda see how that might be a conclusion.
The thing is that our whole conversation is moot.
We do not know what IBM did to get the contract with CCP. Look at it this way, what would change your mind about using IBM? Maybe they did just that with CCP :)
And now back to our regular scheduled programming.....
I do see a performance improvement in game. :)
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Xavier Arron
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Posted - 2004.06.10 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sinist
reached post limit there ill finish here.
What could they possible have to meet for further scalability? Their either going to need more motherbaords, cpu and ram combos or some newer or more fibre channel hardrives etc.
If IBM offers it tot hem for cheaper (which I doubt) then is that the best solution? No.
IF I donated CCP 100 1ghz computer with 3 gb of ram each and a fsb of 133 mhz for free. Does it make it the best solution? No. They might be able to host 1000 people but its gonna suck even though it was free.
Eve is massive. It is one persistant world in which thousands and thousands of people play. You need cutting edge technology not the IBM solution with their marketing stadegies and flowers. I undeisputable showed CCP proof that they could of gotten servers ALOT better for cheaper and with just as easy scalability and maintenance.
Cmon lets be serious if you asked me as one person to run your servers for you. I could do it. And if I had to guarantee uptime I could do it short of nuclear war(Emp mgiht screw up my servers). And you can get the best computing power the world has to offer. And cmon are CCP incabale of shopping? The world is one barter and I could of bought servers ALOT cheaper that are the absolute top of the line for what IBM gave you with money to spare. And I could run and maintain those servers as one person.
hmm... I think you are under estimating whatÆs involved in designing and deploying large scale enterprise class server solutions.
As for another one of your posts in which you were arguing that exchange rates were set by the "good will" of countries -LMAO.
You never did reply to my post.
Linkage - another field Sin Ist is an expert in :)
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 23:05:11
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Zeltar
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Posted - 2004.06.10 22:57:00 -
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I'm speechless to be honest. I was not aware people as arrogant as Sinist actually existed...
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 23:15:48
Rule #1, Dont post on forums unless you have to because you WILL be flamed. I have nothing to prove to you all, and CCP doesnt need advice on what hardware to buy for their servers.
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Zeltar
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Posted - 2004.06.10 23:09:00 -
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arÀroÀgant
adj.
1. Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
2. Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others
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"I am eager to hear the exact specifications on the new upgrades so I can further critique it with mathematical facts and just general computer knowledges." - Sinist
"If the need ever arose where I needed to design a server, I would know how to do it effortlessly. If somewhere in my game development I was at the point at where I needed to decide what hardware to buy I would know effortlessly. If i needed to setup this server I would know how to easily." - Sinist
"I would do it for free and I would do it just as good as you." - Sinist
Plus the general impression you give that you think CCP are a bunch of muppets who wouldn't know one end of a computer from the other.
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Xavier Arron
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Posted - 2004.06.10 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sinist
Lol. That isnt me. I of course was a beta tester and have played since day 1. I did a character whois and that person registered this year. Is even a half decent copy of my portrait. Name similarity also.
I cant say its a copy catter because not many people know me in this game. I do not have any personal enemies either. Maybe just someone seen me and liked me? I dunno I dont have a trademark on my character.
Ok.
Originally by: Sinist
But currency conversions are set between the governments of the world. The US dictates what other governments are worth in the United States and they dictate how much our money is worth to them. For example the Europeans think the EURO is better then the dollar, but the Europeans are the one who say their EURO is worth as much. *shrug* so its kind of a mute argument.
Spooky  - But you sound just like Sin Ist
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.06.10 23:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 10/06/2004 23:22:26
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